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Yes we do

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because it's 30 minutes or free ?

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Good way to go.

I did look and didn't see a lot of it though. We need to talk to customers a lot more. Better than spending hours here talking with people who will never buy porn or people who post illogical crap. Besides me.

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Actually, that was in 12 days not 2 months.

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Here are some rough stats surrounding 2 of our sites, DaneJones.com (that has been live since Mid Jan 2012) and Orgasms.xxx (that launched Aug 2011). DaneJones is the .com version of Orgasms.xxx

The following stats are only from our videos that appear on YouPorn and RedTube, however, we do also upload to all the other major tubes.

On YouPorn we have had 94 videos go live since we launched mid Jan 2012.
www.youporn.com/partner/dane-jones
94 videos online
Around 50,000,000 views
Average rating around 90%
Average Video Length 10mins + (NO full scenes)

On RedTube, we have had 62 videos go live, 51 have made their front page since we launched Mid August 2011.
www.redtube.com/orgasmsxxx
62 videos online
Around 71,000,000 views
Average rating 4.6/5 +
Average Video Length 10 mins + (NO full scenes)

Just a fyi, we have had over 900,000 views of just our PROFILE on xHamster http://xhamster.com/user/Ruseful2011

We estimate to get on average around 3 million views a day on all of our videos, for all of our sites, from all of the tubes. The crux of views come in the first 36 hours, but by tagging our clips correctly when uploading, and using strategic keywords in the titles, we show up in a lot more relevant search results from with-in the tubes. That is why we have more views of our videos on RedTube vs YouPorn even with significantly less videos live and RedTube having less daily visitors to its tube than YouPorn.

So, here are our sales stats for all the sites:

We get an average of 1% Click throughs across the tubes on our promo banners for all our sites (30k tube affiliated visitors day on average from the 3m views)

We get around 100,000 unique visitors a day (March 2012 we received 2,980,000 unique visitors to all sites)

95% of our traffic is attributed to the tubes as we only have a tube strategy running right now, we simply do title else to promote the sites for now.

Average 120 new sign ups a day last 7 days (increasing each week)
1:833 ratio
29% of our sales are affiliated
71% of our sales are unaffiliated
$31.24 average transaction value

A ball park figure we use right now for NEW SALES is $1 in revenue per 1,000 tube views, post affiliate payouts. Obviously, this figure is a lot higher when we take into account the re bills, but sites are too new to quote any meaningful numbers to you right now, but they are VERY healthy with not many members cancelling.

Meaning: $25 sale to every 25,000 tube views, no matter what tube the views are on. ( 2 x $30 non affiliated sales and 1 x $15 affiliated sale = $75 for 3 sales = $25 average ) We do not run $1 specials.

As we increase the number of tubes we submit too, our sales rise accordingly with the increased views. Of course, some tubes are better than others but it levels out. Remember, we have a varied niche of content from sensual erotic to the FakeAgent.com so views maybe less on the likes of Lesbea.com but the click throughs are a lot higher. This is a normal trend on the more niche sites you have.

I hope this gives some clarity on the numbers you can expect from the tubes, and this is with a very new network of sites, using the tubes almost exclusively for our exposure.

We have not been very active promoting the sites to affiliates as we have been consumed in shooting content for existing sites, keeping on schedule with our tube strategy and shooting for the 6 new sites planned for launch this year. We are also ramping up the staff accordingly (11 full time staff so far and still recruiting). However, the few affiliates that do promote us do pretty good ratios! And we now have affiliate tools in place for any affiliates to start promoting us, so if you are wanting to promote content that the porn surfer LOVES, then visit the sites in the signature.

ilnjscb

Then tell us how you did it? Multiple tubes? Recommend a submitter.

ilnjscb

First, thanks for the post, and thanks again. There it all is in black and white. I went to Redtube (the youporn link doesn't work) and counted, and according to the displayed views, all is correct.

I have to ask, if you are doing orgasms.xxx your partner (who also does castings.xxx) was one of the founders of youporn. Has that made a difference? If you can pick up the phone and talk to inside guys, do you receive preferential treatment? No accusations at all, and that is fine if you do - hell I would expect it. But for getting on the front page, which is where the real numbers come from ... can a person with no connections do it as easily as you have, assuming quality content?

If so, then you have laid out, in one page, the business model for now.

Paul Markham

Proof that content is king.

The hardest part of the operation is producing the content. As you state submitting it to the Tubes is easy.

Obviously someone promoting run of the mil mediocre porn can never ever hope to achieve these results. It's for the Met-Art, Viv Thomas and your level. Those selling the cheap crap most sites churn out are never going to get near it.

My advice is to select a few of the top affiliates or Tube sites and only go with them. Opening the door for every affiliate to promote will just result in them competing with each other for sales you will get. Few of them will have 100% loyal to them traffic.

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Thanks for taking the time to respond. I certainly won't argue that the numbers you have presented to us are bad. To the contrary they seem extremely good. Some things caught my eye though.

You mention an estimated $1 profit (even after affiliate payouts and not including rebills) in new sales per 1,000 tube views. Now I think that would blow anyone away because that is nothing short of awesome. But then I saw where you mentioned a 1% ctr and a 1:833 ratio. And that just doesn't seem to add up unless there is something I am missing (but please see later where I double or triple the ctr to try to account for typeins too).

10,000 tube views * .01 (1% ctr) = 100 clicks to your website

But you said you have a 1:833 ratio and make $1 from every 1,000 tube views?

But even from the numbers you present it would actually take you approximately 80,000 tube views to make one sale.

80,000 tube views * .01 (1% ctr) = 800 clicks to your site

And you claim a ratio of 1:833 (is that raw or unique by the way? If unique then we probably have to adjust further).

You stated that you estimate that you get 3,000,000 views on all your videos per day from all tubes. Doing the math I come up with the following:

3,000,000 * .01 (1% ctr) = 30,000 raw hits to your site

30,000 / 833 (but is the ratio raw or uniques?) = 36 new sales per day

But in your post you say you average 120 new signups per day. I suppose maybe the discrepancy has something to do with typeins. If we doubled the ctr due to the typeins that would give you 72 new sales per day. If we tripled it that would give you 108 sales per day.

In any even even using the triple ctr of 3% :

3,000,000 * .03 (3% ctr) = 90,000 hits to your sites / 833 (raw or unique?) = 108 new sales per day.

But if you really make $1 per 1,000 tube views that would mean from those 108 new signups and other revenue from the sites you would make $3,000 post affiliate payouts and without taking into account rebills as you state. Are you sure this is correct? It seems rather extraordinary.

Also I kind of question whether you could really be getting that kind of type in traffic just from the tubes. You attribute 95% of all traffic to your tube strategy. At first I thought this was outrageous but then I checked Google and see that it isn't completely crazy. Still I suspect 50-75% might be a little more reasonable. You're also clearly getting traffic from some other sources too.

I need to cut this soon as it's getting long and I have a lot to do on my Sunday but I also have serious doubts that the average pay site is going to see numbers anywhere near this with a tube campaign. If such numbers were typical in places where full scenes are given out freely like candy one would expect other sources which are more conservative with the freebies would be at least as good or better. If that were the case it would be like 1999 all over again and this forum would be flying. Unfortunately that's just not the case. So it brings me back to my original question: Why isn't the pay site business booming in 2012 if tubes are such a big help in making sales?

The question of a possible association with one of the founders of YouPorn also might be significant too. Now I have no reason to doubt your honesty because from what I see your numbers mostly seem to mesh together correctly. The main thing I question is just some of your assumptions on where all that traffic is really coming from as well as how you have figured up some stats. However it's pretty reasonable to question whether this association which has been spoken of might have afforded you a little "Special treatment" on both YouPorn as well as some other tubes. ;) I just question whether the average pay site owner here on Go Fuck Yourself would do quite as well without the special status.

Another thing I want to point out real quick is that you state you don't give away full scenes. I know most people get this but I want to be sure that some realize that you're not claiming tubes like pornhub being full of stolen content helps make sales for the paysites being victimized (who aren't authorizing others to share the content). You're giving out specially selected promo clips around 10 minutes in length.

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And every paysite in the world would be making bank because their videos are all over those same tube sites that orgasms.xxx is on (whether submitted or stolen)

And yet...the industry as a whole is on life support.

That's where the disconnect comes in for me. It isn't like anybody on here is doing ANYTHING differently on tube sites.
And yet we have a handful who say they are just killing it.

And yet there is absolutely nothing different about their approach from everybody else.

So everybody should be kicking ass! And we should all be working as hard as we can to give away everything we have so we can make more money?

I don't know. Common fucking sense says differently.

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Ruseful

Hey ilnjscb, our network does all of the sites, casting.xxx orgasms.xxx danejones.com lesbea.com and fakeagent.com.

No we do not get preferential treatment from any of the tubes. On YouPorn, we make the front page through merit, just as the other videos that make it on their front page. The default view on the main page on YouPorn is user rated. We feature on PornHub Tube8, Keez and Spankwire, but no more than any other network that is uploading the amount of clips that we are. PornTube, 4Tube every content publisher gets on the front page and benefits greatly from it as they release their content out every hour, and the highest rated clips get featured exposure. RedTube, xHamster, YouJizz they all have their own ways of doing things, but we do pretty good on all of them. Of course, there are lots more we upload too as well. But no favours, we are on them all by merit.

Any person with content can do what we do. Yes, the content and edits need to stand out on the tubes, but you just need to know how to do this. You should read the guide at http://content.porntube.com This is what we follow

Paul Markham

Every paysite hasn't content even vaguely approaching this quality.

The average pay site, pursued a policy of cutting the quality of it's product or had webmasters who thought all it needed was a digital camera. And the content is often watched for a few minutes and skipped over. At best jerked off to and forgotten.

In a market where every other shop is a Macdonalds. A Prime Angus Steak House will make money. How many sites are there of the level of this quality? And I don't mean the image quality. Getting that right is the easy part.

However you like me take the facts given and grab a calculator. Which appears to show holes in the stats.

Yes they can do what you do, but they're unlikely to get the results you get. All traffic methods largely depend on a viewer, thinking it's worth watching and then going to see where they can buy more. Without that vital element it's just free fodder.

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Hi Paul, yes, to a degree I agree with you but we are getting great figures with the FakeAgent and Casting sites. Also, there is a pattern on every one of our clips that you see on any tube. We edit TUBE SPECIFIC content. That means, it has a particular length between 8-12 minutes, it has a beginning, a middle and an ending. It also is edited with the tube user in mind. EACH clip of ours is the best possible representation of the site it comes from. This often means that our editors are editing content for the tubes BEFORE it even features in our members area. We are shooting a mountain of content each month not only to keep up with the demand, but also to launch new sites. Both sensual and erotic sites as well as continuing with our FakeAgent theme. We have some great domain names too!!

I appreciate your advice re affiliates, right now, its virtually all tube related affiliates so send any of the top affiliates my way!!

Ruseful

Hi Robbie, one of the most common mistakes I see on the tubes from content owners is that they look and say "I think I should try a few 7 min clips on the tubes" and tell their editor to, or themselves make a few 7 min clips for the tubes. This is what I normally see:
They tend to grab a 7 min segment from a full scene. i.e. simply grabbing min 5-12 of a 16 min scene.
This is a scene from their back catalogue.
They do not include an ending (cum shot/orgasm etc)
Their watermarks do not stand out
Their titles are terrible
Minimal keywords/tags
They try to cram too much in the 200x80 icon and their site description is awful.

All this ends in minimal views, minimal click throughs and zero sales. A real disaster zone. These content owners then tell everyone that the tubes don't convert and they are to blame for their demise.

Ruseful

Hi Signupdamit, you are right in your dissection of my numbers. I get and average 1% click throughs from the banners on the tubes. I also get an equivalent of 2% direct type ins from that same traffic. so, your workings that I get around $3k per day on new sign ups is correct. I also have re bills that are generating significant daily revenues too. So, you will probably be adding up that I am making taking $150k-$180k a month, which is correct.

I will say, that Brazzers sites and Manwins other pay sites do not even get preferential treatment on any of the Manwin's tubes. Did you catch Fabian's keynote? He was very clear on that. The chances we would are zero.

signupdamnit

Truly this is all just amazing. $1 per 1,000 tube impressions on youporn like tubes by giving out 10 minute scenes. 3%+ ctr.

What Ruseful is saying about specially editing clips for sales makes a lot of sense. What Paul Markham says about having better than average content also makes sense.

But still maybe I'm just slow but I'm not seeing this as something that even 1% of paysites could accomplish. As an affiliate I've promoted sites in microniches where there are no other sponsors in the niche. A total monopoly exits. I can match those numbers now in 2012 but this is on my sites where not a lot is given out for free. But in early 2006 I would absolutely destroy them. 10-20 sales in 1,000 impressions was possible and I've done it many times.

It's hard for me to fathom even 1% of pay sites obtaining $1 in new sales profit per 1,000 tube impressions on tubes such as Youporn in 2012. Especially given there are hundreds if not tens of thousands of videos within the same niche or content type available for free right there on the same tube only a click or two away. I've seen the effects of this. Even when one sponsor with great exclusive content is vigilant about keeping their stuff hard to find I've seen niches all but destroyed because their competitors did not do the same. While some would still buy to get their quality content many people just settled for the stuff which was freely available from their competitors.

It's much easier for me to believe that things aren't as they appear for whatever reason. That there is another explanation such as something is being miscalculated (such as the source of the type-ins) It's almost as bad as seeing a pink elephant flying outside your office window.

I will say this. If these numbers are easily obtained by the common person than I am happy that the struggling paysite owner and even affiliate may once again see good money. I'm very skeptical but if it's all true then it's a great thing.

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There is another possibility. And please this isn't me being negative, just throwing out things for people to think about.

Ruseful might be fishing for people to add content to there's and others Tubes to boost the content library.

Maybe if some sponsors submit and see how the traffic rolls. Then report back here so we can get a selection of results with different content. We can all compare the results. I have some unique exclusive content that's not all over the Internet, I would think after 3 decades I know how to edit to entice the viewer to want more. So Ruseful, can I test some content on your tubes? The videos will not get mass appeal, yet with so little around of what my Retro Porn site has, I'm sure it will get the viewers who like this content interested.

Personally I think something like 95% will fall into this trap.

"Especially given there are hundreds if not tens of thousands of videos within the same niche or content type available for free right there on the same tube only a click or two away."

Why would anyone join a site with the sort of porn that's the same or similar, as 100 other sites and also on free sites?

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porno jew

instead of spending time writing endless walls of text trying to theorize why it is not possible to make money from tubes, why not try and figure out and learn from those who actually do?

just a thought.

Colmike9

Except that he probably thinks tubes are like digital VCRs..

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That is at least some of what is going on.

Paul Markham

Because I don't have to.

You can believe all the clowns who theorise on my income or lack of it. And ignore the fact, I don't work, I don't have to work, I don't need to work.

Because this useless know nothing, missed the boat, never understood "internet Marketing", old man, person from the distant past, someone who sold sets in the distant past. Is comfortable enough to sit and watch you guys having to work out how to squeeze a few scrapings out of the industry.

Or believe Squealer and Damian, they know so much more and obviously two mega whales.

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porno jew

why lie? you are still trying to figure out how to make money online. you post about your projects. just admit you know nothing about this space and try to learn. what is so hard about that? no one knows everything in life. people who try to pretend to are rightly seen the fool, hence coup's genius piece of work.

Far-L

That is all well and good, and thanks for sharing other insights so generously as well, but Robbie doesn't really need to worry about any of that or split testing or anything because he apparently has a penis that works as a divining rod.

We are going to hire him to consult even though it does feel a bit weird that we have to stand behind him and look over his shoulder to see which way his erection is pointing.

Good thing I am comfortable with my sexuality because at first glance, well, um... yeah.

Boy, those Penguins sure are fucking up in the play-offs aren't they?

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How disrespectful. You know damn well what I meant.

And don't kid yourself...you couldn't afford to pay me to walk away from the money I make to "consult" for you.

You know...there are different ways to get to the same results. In every business there are guys who are geniuses at making money analytically. And there are guys who have a great "feel" for their work that are very successful as well.

I'm a guy who KNOWS what I'm doing. I'm not a rookie, and I'm not an amateur. I've sold enough porn to enough people to say: "Yeah, I know what I'm doing. I'm a professional".

I try to be respectful to you because I DO respect what you've done. Obviously you don't feel the same way about me. That's fine.

I'd like to be clear...I'm not saying that money can't be made on tube sites if done the RIGHT way. But when you have 100,000 full scenes out there in EVERY niche it HURTS our industry.

And not all of it is shitty content either. People have stolen and uploaded some of the best porn and uploaded it in it's entirety.

That hurts everyone. Well...not Manwin of course. Because they are monetizing the traffic that all the content brings them and they are branding THEIR tube sites at the expense of others hard work.

I understand you don't see it that way.

Me? I'm going to continue to brand MY sites. My traffic is great and makes me enough money to not have to kiss the ring of Fabian and/or give them my content to monetize for himself. Sorry you're not in the same situation. Different paths I guess...

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dig420

Ruseful, I learned some very useful things in this thread and I thank you. In fact, I expect I will totally change my method of dealing with tube submissions.

Paul Markham

I fully agree with you about editing a sample clip. It's a piece of bait on the end of a hook designed to reel in a fish.

However with 90% of the porn produced it's impossible to do this well. Most shoot 15 to 30 minute scenes, most are shot by point and shoot guys. The editor at Manwin given express instructions of how to edit the scene I shot which included a start setting the scene up and a finish proving it was all real and the model was well exhausted and happy at the end. Left those parts out. If he with instructions of what to do can get it wrong, what hope does a webmaster have?

Shooting a porn scene and having something to submit as a trailer to the site takes more than point and shoot skills. It needs a scene to have a story, structure and point. Cutting 1/3 of an average porn scene into a tempting morsel to bring traffic requires skills, skills in production and editing. And above all knowing how to build something that will sell the product.

You can give someone the recipe to make a sponge cake, but if they only have sawdust to work with. the recipe is useless. And in an industry that for years taught us not to give away the hardcore and cum shot, you now tell us it's the best way. Were they wrong for so long?

There's one way for you to prove your method works. strike a partnership with a few sponsors, take their scenes, post them on your Tube and make the results public. Not supporters who feel the owners of the massive Tube sites are their best bet today. A few skeptics would work a lot better.

Far-L good luck editing an amateur movie, shot by real amateurs, into something that will really bring in the sign ups.

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well Paul, you should have known better than to give your video to some Manwin guy. Those dudes are total amateurs and of course they're not going to perform to your high standards. Pearls before swine and all that.

Nautilus

I second your math, both this and other estimations seem to be surprisingly accurate.

To make sure I checked stats for our Redtube campaign - we submitted about 25 full length videos to them about a couple of years ago to test waters. Those videos accumulated about 50 000 000 views combined which brought us about 100 signups. Which falls right in the middle of your estimation range - 1 signup per 500 000 views. Those members seem to rebill 1 time on average, so for the sake of estimation you can say we make about $1 per 10000 tube views gross.

Stats for our Youporn campaign look no different, just more views and more signups because we submitted more videos to them. What's interesting is that CTR does not seem to depend on anything but the novelty of this particular site or type of content for this particular tube. When there's at least half decent representation available (such as at youporn and redtube which both provide banners and not merely a text link that is barely visible), it starts at 1% and holds this value for 6 months max, then it starts to fall to about 0.5% average where it freezes. We tried different approaches at youporn - different length of clips, different editions and it doesn't seem to matter. Surfers see through any edition and only click at 1% when it is relatively new, and then 0.5% when it is relatively old.

We tried tube campaigns for two other programs where we're partners at and results were exactly the same. All other owners that I know and trust their opinions also reported very close results.

The bottomline is that while tubes can certainly produce some sales to paysites, those sales are by no means impressive for the vast majority of programs, and cannot support our industry in it's proper state with hundreds if not thousands of active programs producing all types of content for all niches. Tubes can even produce some moderately succesful campaigns for a selected few programs/paysites that fit into the momentum perfectly with the particular type of content/niches that are hot topic currently among tube surfers, but that's not going to last long - as the novelty wears off their results will start getting increasingly more disappointing, and they can not compensate their decline in sales with tube traffic through other sources because there are no other sources, tubes are eating our industry alive, both paysites and webmasters who're loosing traffic to tubes.

And I do not even take into account stolen content, which only makes matters worse. All tubes without exeption post stolen clips, the difference is only that some post more of them and some less.

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At driving traffic I would agree they are great.

Why do you assume they have great editors?

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Interesting stats, thanks for sharing. However, I do not see where they match what you say about tube traffic - with 3 000 000 views, 1% CTR and 1/900 ratio you should be getting about 30-35 signips a day, not 120. You seem to grossly underestimate other traffic sources, at least by half - and even that is only if you get 1 type in sale for every 1 direct sale, which I find highly unlikely.

Anyway, your program and sites seem to be one of those exceptions that simply fit the current trend perfectly, which cannot work for the vast majority of programs and paysites out there. Let's see what your results will be by the end of the year - I'm pretty sure when the novelty of your content wears off, when surfers are tired of seeing your clips everywhere, you'll see the same industry average 1/2000 ratio and 0.5% CTR we're all seeing at tubes. By that time you'll average 10-15 signups/day from tube traffic (less if your clips would not be pulling 3 000 000 views/day anymore), plus whatever type in sales are there, don't know how many but certainly not 70-80/day as your current estimation seem to suggest.

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Hey Paul, You just hit the nail right on the head.

Do you think that the main problem for declining memberships to pay sites might be that the tens of millions of users visiting tube sites every day actually get to separate the wheat from the chaff? The users have a huge buffet of content to consume each and every day. The days of producing masses of cheap "point and shoot" content may just be over.

I have my guys at Ruseful shoot full scenes, not feature length movies (although they are soon to release their first movie). These full scenes are between 16-26 minutes long and have a beginning, middle and ending. They shoot like this for a few reasons:

It is very easy to edit tube specific clips if the actual scene has been shot for this purpose. i.e. beginning, middle and end. They actually plan the shooting of each scene to make sure they have enough of each segment for the tube edit.

Each full scene is different, has a different mini story/scenario and is fulfilling for the end user.

Each individual scene and tube specific edited clip is THE best possible representation of the brand.

I had 5 years worth of data from running YouPorn that told me this is what was needed.


If/when the tube user eventually becomes a member, they see the full scenes of the 10-12 minute edited clips that are freely on the tubes. They are downloadable in every format and they get to view/download 100-200 photos from the sets of each scene in 4000 pixels per pic. They also get an in depth write up of each scene, what went into the shooting of the scene, how the performers felt with each other, if there was real chemistry between them etc.

I think the more effort you put into the production and editing, pays off dividends.

The guide I wrote (click the link in my signature) helps with the editing and other aspects like watermarking, tagging etc. However, you quite rightly state, you can't make a sponge if your main ingredient is sawdust. The tube users are far too well informed in this day and age to be able to serve them crap and expect them to eat it! Time to change your main ingredient.

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Do tell! Why indeed those dumb fucks do not believe sponsors are uploading videos themselves, there's just no logical explanation. All sponsors upload everything themselves because they're getting fantastic branding and shitload of type ins from the great free advertising at pornhub.com tube website.



We upload alot of our videos too at pornhub, like this one. 20 mins full length clip without even a link back because who needs it anyway, there are 3-4 times more type in sales than direct sales, so why bother. We get ton of sales now and most certainly left the tough times behind, thank you pornhub. Make sure you have enough servers because now we're going to upload our entire member area to you to get even more sales.

Haters gonna hate, but we all know the truth. It's all sponsor uploaded of course.

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Paul Markham

I third your findings. we went with one major Tube site, owned by AEBN. They put a link under the video worded like this. "See more of Paul Markham Teens."

The traffic was awesome. 10,000s of clicks a day via our CCbill coded link. On our stats program we saw the duration of 99% of the traffic. It went straight back.

So before any clown comes up with the crap content excuse.

I'm assuming they had seen the sample movie and wanted to "See more of Paul Markham Teens.". And the moment they realised it meant paying, they went straight back. They liked the sample, didn't bother to see what the site offered and no intentions of paying. As we added more content, the clicks on the links fell. They started to realise it was to a place that costs money.

This will probably happen to all submitters. because the more 7-10 minute clips they add to their library of free porn. The less reason there is to buy a membership. Ruseful wants 7-10 minute clips, with a cum shot or orgasm. So adding 1 clip a week, will in a year put 52 reasons not to join, in a library of the uploader. Put up more and you have more reasons not to join.

Of course there is the methodology of "If I have enough traffic I can sell anything." Which is very true in the Porn Tube site model.

Creating a trailor that really sells a membership, of 7 minutes out of a 20 minute point and shoot movie without structure. Is bloody hard. Few can shoot a decent sample for their tours, they just hobble together a few of the sex clips from the content inside.

A trailer is designed to intrigue, lure and sell. A porn scene is designed to satisfy.

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Ruseful

That 1% is just for the click throughs from the promo banners we get on the tubes. As my post stated, that only accounts for around 30% of our traffic, with 70% coming direct, so that is where the other 2% comes from, meaning my math correct that an additional 70-85 sign ups come in direct. So 3% = around 110-120 new sign ups a day in the past 7 days

DamianJ

Edited your typo, mate.

Ruseful

Here you go, these are the sales for Saturday. This does not include re bills and is for CCBill only, not Epoch or Segpay. As I state, we only promote on the tubes, no where else.

DamianJ

Imagine making content so bad people don't even want to pirate it!

Ruseful

You will also notice the low % of actual affiliate sales here. only $665.07 of a gross new sales of $4661.91

This would amount to the affiliates being responsible for $1300 in sales which is around 28% of sales. So, 72% are direct type ins un affiliated sales.

I reiterate, we ONLY promote on the tubes.

Paul Markham

The problem with most online pornographers is they are stuck for the cash, skills, experience or for some mentality to create anything other than what they do. Exceptions are there, they are exceptions.

To shoot a movie with a trailor and scene in mind takes some planning, skills, experience and a budget to do the job right. Still I say loading loads of 7-10 minute clips to a free Tube is giving possible customers more reasons not to buy than to buy.

So most would be wasting their time and the best will eventually be giving away reasons not to buy.

I'm biased. I made my money in a time when people had to pay for porn. Before the Internet made it possible to reach everyone with free porn.

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DamianJ

It's OK Paul, there's still time.

You managed to install Google Analytics yet?

:D

Paul Markham

You have to know the history of online porn to understand why it is, as it is. 1998 it started to take off. The vast majority had the ability to put something up online, some had the ability to launch a site. Driving traffic was easy, there were so few competitors, online porn was a novelty and still conversion ratios from surfers to buyers was crap.

Because the two things the vast majority lacked was money to hire a professional shooter or the skills to shoot something worth buying. The cry then was the online audience didn't want the quality porn offline was selling them, they wanted the stuff the online was able to produce. As the budgets and abilities of some rose in the quality stakes, magically the surfers changed their desires.

Still does online employ the best shooters as a norm?

No, which is why there are so few producing great content and so many producing point and shoot scenes with no forethought.

These people will tell you if they market it right and get all the tools right, they can sell anything. Which is total bullshit. There example is Macdonalds selling crap burgers. Yes a company with professional marketing people, a multi million dollar marketing budget and a laboratory of people refining the product can sell a crap burger. That doesn't mean some Ma & Pa or small team operation can sell crap porn when everyone is giving it away. Macdonalds last time I went past wasn't giving away free burgers to advertise Chinese Take Aways.

The consumer market for porn is possibly every male with hair on his balls, unless he shaves. The buyers market is far far smaller. It's an educated audience, don't take my word for it. Everyone was telling us the surfers are more educated than they were. People living in the past????

A male who buys porn has often been looking at porn for anything over 4 years. He's learned to differentiate wheat from chaff. He might "hit it" or even jerk off to it. but he won't buy unless he's given more powerful reasons than most do.

So the culture was and still is, "If you send enough traffic, you can sell anything."

Ruseful, with the stats you boast I wouldn't bother marketing for porn submitters. I would just go out there, sort the wheat from the chaff. Make a deal to market them and do the whole thing yourself and get a nice juicy commission for your troubles. You obviously know how to crack it so why let others in on your valuable traffic.

Once you prove this to a site owner.

You can be on a very generous deal. Why give it away if it's this easy?

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DamianJ

To prove you horribly and amusingly wrong. Again.

Paul Markham

Ruseful.

I see what you're trying to do here. Trying to get tons of free content on your Tube sites from the sponsors who frequent here. That's not the best approach if your figures are right. Here's a much better and more professional one.

There are 100s of offline DVD companies who are struggling, due to online porn. They never got how to market online. In the past they were scared that coming online would hurt their offline business. Today they have little of that left.

However they do have vast libraries of back catalogue movies of all descriptions. Some in sure fire convertible niches and ranging across all niches. Contact them and do a deal or even buy the online license for their content. Choose what you know will work, edit it the way you know works, promote it the way you know works and get all the traffic coming to your sites.



No need to share anything of your powerful resource that you say is doing so well. With stats like these, imagine how much better things would be with more quality content and the added benefit of more content on the Tube and no need to share everything. Of course you can also share it, but no need to.

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DamianJ

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Sorry, I think I mistook you for someone that has a sense of humor. Didn't mean to offend you.

I do think though that, even though I know what you were saying about your feeling for what works or doesn't, my years of experience have told me not to only go by what I personally like. In fact, oftentimes my experience has shown that I shouldn't "think with my dick" but should actually just listen to customers and figure out what they want. If that approach works for you and you don't have to test then more power to you. If you don't want to use tubes for traffic then good for you too. I agree that no one should ever rely on just one traffic source or they are just setting themselves up for disaster.

Your brand seems based on one model/personality. What happens if or when she no longer wants to be content? (A reasonable question so please don't take it the wrong way)

btw... I wouldn't say I respect you in a post if I didn't mean it so no need to get defensive.

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Cocaine and steroids can effect people like that.

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yeah paul those stats show they are definitely doing something wrong. if they would only listen to you maybe it would only take them half a day to make what do you do in a month instead of a full day!