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Old 04-13-2012, 03:48 AM   #1
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:mad NATS- WOW! I never saw a shittier system

Alright,
As you know I come from the mainstream affiliate world. The world where we have proper tracking. Where we can add sub ids easily and generate easy reports. We have HasOffers and other system. Now I got into the adult industry and it seems everyone are using NATS.
WTF ?!?!? It's the worst thing ever created for someone who is running paid traffic and wants to do some serious split testing and have proper stats.
Generating links - SHIT
Grabbing creatives - SHIT
Stats reports- SHIT
wow. I'm simply shocked people actually use a system like that in 2012.

What do you think about that?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Old 04-13-2012, 03:52 AM   #2
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I have a tracking platform that does exactly what you want and will work with any program. If interested, contact me here http://www.xxxinsights.com/contact-us/

It's beta for now but works like a charm
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Old 04-13-2012, 03:53 AM   #3
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The simple solution here is to write your own.


Don't get me wrong, nats has a ton of things that can be done better - a ton - but when your choices are limited to biller (if you think nats is bad, try ccbills back end), mpa3 (I don't know anything about it so can't comment) and nats, you either use what's available or create your own.

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Old 04-13-2012, 03:54 AM   #4
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Most are using ccbill.

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Old 04-13-2012, 04:05 AM   #5
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Alright,
As you know I come from the mainstream affiliate world. The world where we have proper tracking. Where we can add sub ids easily and generate easy reports. We have HasOffers and other system. Now I got into the adult industry and it seems everyone are using NATS.
WTF ?!?!? It's the worst thing ever created for someone who is running paid traffic and wants to do some serious split testing and have proper stats.
Generating links - SHIT
Grabbing creatives - SHIT
Stats reports- SHIT
wow. I'm simply shocked people actually use a system like that in 2012.

What do you think about that?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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what do you recommend in Mainstream Tracking?
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:09 AM   #7
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What do you think about that?
Make something better, then.

You'd be rich.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:12 AM   #8
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I just think you're not experienced enough to work with NATS,
to archieve the results you want.

This is not ment to blame/flame/make fights,
but all what you said is in my litle NATS knowlegde very easy to do.
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Alright,
As you know I come from the mainstream affiliate world. The world where we have proper tracking. Where we can add sub ids easily and generate easy reports. We have HasOffers and other system. Now I got into the adult industry and it seems everyone are using NATS.
WTF ?!?!? It's the worst thing ever created for someone who is running paid traffic and wants to do some serious split testing and have proper stats.
Generating links - SHIT
Grabbing creatives - SHIT
Stats reports- SHIT
wow. I'm simply shocked people actually use a system like that in 2012.

What do you think about that?

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Ok, now tell us exactly how you feel...

Welcome to GFY BTW

Yes, we use NATS
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:15 AM   #10
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This rant has nothing to do with me!!

I will keep my rant to my own thread....
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:15 AM   #11
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DarkJedi: HasOffers already beat me to it. I can't see a single feature NATS has that HasOffers doesn't do better. I just don't get it... Maybe I'm missing a magical feature that is only relevant in the adult industry but from what I saw so far, NATS should be burned. In terms of usability and features it's simply bad and outdated. It's like someone still using Windows 3.11. Fuck this shit. I'd rather have a lower conversion rate or payout and work with an offer that works on HasOffers. This is simply ridiculous.
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OMG - Its a NATS damage control bot!!!

lol - Somebody broke it though!

Its hilarious....
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:22 AM   #13
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DarkJedi: HasOffers already beat me to it. I can't see a single feature NATS has that HasOffers doesn't do better. I just don't get it... Maybe I'm missing a magical feature that is only relevant in the adult industry but from what I saw so far, NATS should be burned. In terms of usability and features it's simply bad and outdated. It's like someone still using Windows 3.11. Fuck this shit. I'd rather have a lower conversion rate or payout and work with an offer that works on HasOffers. This is simply ridiculous.
Why don't they integrate into adult biz then, if they are so good.

There is definitely a market for it.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:25 AM   #14
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i'm no nats genius but all of that can be easily done.
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Alright,
As you know I come from the mainstream affiliate world. The world where we have proper tracking. Where we can add sub ids easily and generate easy reports. We have HasOffers and other system. Now I got into the adult industry and it seems everyone are using NATS.
WTF ?!?!? It's the worst thing ever created for someone who is running paid traffic and wants to do some serious split testing and have proper stats.
Generating links - SHIT
Grabbing creatives - SHIT
Stats reports- SHIT
wow. I'm simply shocked people actually use a system like that in 2012.

What do you think about that?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Not choosing a side on this one, but thought you'd get a kick out of knowing the guy who wrote NATS owns the largest adult company in the world now.
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Why don't they integrate into adult biz then, if they are so good.

There is definitely a market for it.
Would you want to deal with the derelicts in the porn business?
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Not choosing a side on this one, but thought you'd get a kick out of knowing the guy who wrote NATS owns the largest adult company in the world now.
I actually didn't know that (unless you're talking about nats lol). If you're not talking about nats, what company does he own?
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I think NATS 4.1 is pretty good.
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Is this a hasoffer spam?
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compared to ccbill, can't complain about anything related to nats.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:32 AM   #21
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:35 AM   #22
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stop crying asshole, nobody ever invited you here. stupid dramaqueen crybaby bitch, go back to your maisntream shit! and say hello to all other idiots out there! and have a nice weekend everyone!
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I actually didn't know that (unless you're talking about nats lol). If you're not talking about nats, what company does he own?
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Your talking shit to NATS but how is hasoffers???


Take a look

http://www.hasoffers.com/pricing/


I never think that a tracking software has a limitation of hits! We called tracking software not a metered tracking software!
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I actually didn't know that (unless you're talking about nats lol). If you're not talking about nats, what company does he own?

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Only thing I don't like about NATS is you can't create campaign links on the fly inside links. You have to make each one inside your affiliate panel.
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Alright,
As you know I come from the mainstream affiliate world. The world where we have proper tracking. Where we can add sub ids easily and generate easy reports. We have HasOffers and other system. Now I got into the adult industry and it seems everyone are using NATS.
WTF ?!?!? It's the worst thing ever created for someone who is running paid traffic and wants to do some serious split testing and have proper stats.
Generating links - SHIT
Grabbing creatives - SHIT
Stats reports- SHIT
wow. I'm simply shocked people actually use a system like that in 2012.

What do you think about that?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Kal

Obviously you don't know the NATS system very well...
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Alright,
As you know I come from the mainstream affiliate world. The world where we have proper tracking. Where we can add sub ids easily and generate easy reports. We have HasOffers and other system. Now I got into the adult industry and it seems everyone are using NATS.
WTF ?!?!? It's the worst thing ever created for someone who is running paid traffic and wants to do some serious split testing and have proper stats.
Generating links - SHIT
Grabbing creatives - SHIT
Stats reports- SHIT
wow. I'm simply shocked people actually use a system like that in 2012.

What do you think about that?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Kal

I don't use NATS, but TooMuch has been around for a long time and have good reviews. Maybe you are just facing a steeper learning curve than you expected?
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You said it. It blows me away too, that NATS is the industry leader in affiliate tracking software.

Not to mention CCBill, you'd think with the $100's of millions they've made, they'd give webmasters something worthwhile and something that didn't look so 1997.
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So from what I am seeing hasoffers costs roughly twice what Nats costs to get started, and it's not clear whether it integrates with billers.
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stop crying asshole, nobody ever invited you here. stupid dramaqueen crybaby bitch, go back to your maisntream shit! and say hello to all other idiots out there! and have a nice weekend everyone!
GFY. Mainstream is shit filled with idiots yet we have a forum here called "Mainstream Biz discussion" here? Guess it should be changed to Shitty Biz With other idiots discussions. Oh why do I even bother.

WOW. The ferociousness of people defending NATS. Any stock holders here?
Find it amazing that people who didn't try something else are defending it like it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's like saying Hamburgers are the best thing in the world? "Did you ever try steaks?" "No, but I simply know Hamburgers are the best thing in the world".
NATS - No easy way to add variables and subids to links, no reports for day parting (yea I'm sure conversions for CAMs are at the same level all day, and not mostly at launch breaks of fat american executives and like to wank off and tell a pretty .ru girl what to do. Would be great to see that no?). So much data you can gather with awesome tracking that it's a sin to not do it.

Good we had an open discussion about the pros and cons of nats here.

Peace to the hustlers and grinders, and a big gfy to all the sheep and haters.


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I don't use NATS, but TooMuch has been around for a long time and have good reviews. Maybe you are just facing a steeper learning curve than you expected?
No, I got everything I wanted. Just in terms of usability and user friendly it's just wrong.
I use my property tracking system, but I do need some data from the advertiser to track the conversions through the entire flow. And that is where NATS pale to other aff tracking systems.
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Nats 4.1 is actually fairly nice IMO. It has many tools for the affiliate which most aren't even aware of.
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No, I got everything I wanted. Just in terms of usability and user friendly it's just wrong.
I use my property tracking system, but I do need some data from the advertiser to track the conversions through the entire flow. And that is where NATS pale to other aff tracking systems.
So you are trying to defend the company you like for putting a limitation of how many hits you sent for a month? And if you are contented with 300k/month upgrade to a new plans? THAT IS FUCKING INSANE!!! Maybe you just leave this forum instead! That company you try to defend is just waste of our money. NATS is expensive we already knew that BUT it's worth it!
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There was a sponsor I use recently considering switching to Mpa3 from Nats to save money. At the tier they are probably paying in for Nats I figured up it would be about a $50 a month difference. Considering how much more Nats gets me as far as stats and options you know I'd almost pay that $50 a month myself as an affiliate for them to keep it. Not to knock mpa3 or anything but Nats 4.1 is pretty damn good and has a lot of nice options going for it which mpa3 and most other such programs just don't have. I don't see how you can call Nats 4.1 crappy. Maybe some of the previous versions, sure.
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So you are trying to defend the company you like for putting a limitation of how many hits you sent for a month? And if you are contented with 300k/month upgrade to a new plans? THAT IS FUCKING INSANE!!! Maybe you just leave this forum instead! That company you try to defend is just waste of our money. NATS is expensive we already knew that BUT it's worth it!

Ehhh.... hello! nothing personal here. No one is trying to hunt you down or rob you of your hard cummed money. Chill out, drink a coke, and stfu. you see me defending? I don't work for them nor have I used any affiliate links here. Instead of all this hustle and bustle, all the haters go try it out (I think they have a free trial or something) and then come back instead of bullshitting without even looking. Heck, maybe there is something new to learn. How can people be so closed minded. It's like I offended their own personal god. Instead of trying to be open minded and learn from each industries you're closed on your own habits, very close to religious zealousness

Alright. NATS OWNS, it's the best system that was ever created and ever will exist. NATS is the ultimate piece of software ever coded, it's lightyears ahead of it's time, perhaps even employing alien technology. All HAIL NATS. ALL HAIL NATS.
Now gfy you ignorant sheep. I'd rather go shoot myself than follow the mob.

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Old 04-13-2012, 10:36 AM   #46
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If I had any part in NATS development, I'd ignore the guys hostility but pay close attention to the useful features that HasOffers provides. A great way to fill out the development roadmap for future versions of NATS.
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lol, what a fucking cock. Spit your dummy out much there in your last post?
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Hi kalel120,

Just curious - have you tried contacting your rep at TMM? Maybe your sales rep at TMM can help you out. I don't know if they charge for their time or not (I don't think so) but everyone there is pretty nice and I'm sure they would not want to lose anyone as a client who maybe didn't know how to use their system properly.

Good luck!
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back to digital point you third world retard.

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Ehhh.... hello! nothing personal here. No one is trying to hunt you down or rob you of your hard cummed money. Chill out, drink a coke, and stfu. you see me defending? I don't work for them nor have I used any affiliate links here. Instead of all this hustle and bustle, all the haters go try it out (I think they have a free trial or something) and then come back instead of bullshitting without even looking. Heck, maybe there is something new to learn. How can people be so closed minded. It's like I offended their own personal god. Instead of trying to be open minded and learn from each industries you're closed on your own habits, very close to religious zealousness

Alright. NATS OWNS, it's the best system that was ever created and ever will exist. NATS is the ultimate piece of software ever coded, it's lightyears ahead of it's time, perhaps even employing alien technology. All HAIL NATS. ALL HAIL NATS.
Now gfy you ignorant sheep. I'd rather go shoot myself than follow the mob.

AMEN.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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