Babaganoosh

Who are you?

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Captain Kawaii

His theft practices give me the right to gut him with a bayonet if I so choose. He fucks with peoples private lives with every bit of content he steals and profits from. He fucks with our ability to house, feed, clothe our families and pay support staff.

uniquemkt

Its back on Page 1, but you obviously have something to back up his theft with, can you please link me to an example? Please?

baddog

You deserve nothing. Welcome to the real world. No recess or summer vacation either.

uniquemkt

I re-read what I posted 3 or 4 times and I didn't take it as a demand or as something I claimed to be entitled to, just a request. It is your prerogative to not be helpful, but its unclear why you would bother demonstrating your unhelpfulness by posting. A lot of people are saying I'm wrong in my opinion and I'm simply looking for something that shows it.

BTW today was such a nice day, I put up one of those 10x10 canopies out back for some shade and it sure felt like summer vacation!

bushwacker

No one owes you shit.

georgeyw

Oh please, let me introduce.

Babaganoosh, meet Gideon oh I mean uniquemkt.

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kane

Here you go. I posted this in the other Gideon thread, but maybe you didn't see it.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18985061&postcount=134

That is a link to a post made by Gideon where he makes the claim that fair use allows him to buy content and then back it up by uploading/seeding it to torrents.

Everyone I know considers that distributing the content and piracy, but Gideon thinks is is just exercising his fair use rights.

To many here that is him advocating a pro-piracy position and piracy hurts their business.

Babaganoosh

I was being coy.

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bronco67

The overall definition of "fair use" seems to be open to many different interpretations, but it definitely doesn't include using other people's shit to create income.

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georgeyw

I was being a smart ass

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sarettah

Advocating a pro-piracy position and being an actual pirate are 2 different things.

I do not agree with GG's point of view at all but I have not seen proof that he actually pirates or makes money from piracy.

He does run his mouth a lot though.

just sayin...


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kane

It can, just not in the way Gideon thinks.

For example. The Daily Show might show a 10 second clip from a 10 minute broadcast and then they write five minutes of jokes that go with that clip. That is legit fair use.

Gideon thinks you can post the entire broadcast and add the text "this is the best broadcast ever" and it is fair use.

kane

You might be correct. I don't think he makes money anywhere but his job.

That said, if someone breaks into my house and steals my stuff and another person defends them and tries to convince me that they had a right to steal my stuff, that person can't be surprised if I am not too kind to them.

uniquemkt

I read this, and I have commented a few times specifically on that claim, but I'm OK with repeating it.

I don't believe that a US court would agree that a torrent is a legitimate backup process under fair use. However, that only applies to the US and our particular flavor of copyright laws. Canada, for example, taxes recordable media (blank CDs, DVD, etc) with a "piracy tax" which essentially gives you a compulsory license to copyrighted material you wouldn't otherwise have had, my understanding is that any company who collects part of those taxes are unable to seek damages for copyright violations... So in Canada, a court may see it otherwise. If GG is indeed Canadian as some folks have claimed, in some circumstances he may be right.

Either way, advocating that position isn't the same as stealing content, and is just one guy's unpopular opinion. I respectably disagree that advocating that opinion here represents a real detriment to someone's livelihood, and I'll ask again for an example that is a little more concrete (not demanding, just politely asking, enough with the you don't deserve and we don't owe you etc rnetoric)

bronco67

Right.

Most people know that you can get away with a few seconds, give or take. Except Gideon -- or maybe he does know, but just convinces himself he doesn't --- so he won't have to change his entire ideology and life path.

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xenigo

Let's ask the government if they see a difference between being pro-terrorism, and being a terrorist. Either way, you're going to find yourself in jail.

xenigo

I think at this point you need to identify your relationship with GG.

GG's entire existence is about fucking with people's ability to feed their families. He comes on here every single day of the fucking week to advocate theft, and the destruction of the livelihoods of everyone on this forum.

So yeah, payback is a bitch...

uniquemkt

Sure. I don't know that guy from Adam. Happy? And I think it is intellectually dishonest to claim that him advocating the positions he has advocated posed any threat to anyone's ability to make a living. I also think that you take an extreme position with regards to most of the things he's posted (in the last year or so since I've started reading at least), and that you're stretching his words around a point you want to disagree with.

CaptainHowdy

We want the fucking moon...

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papill0n

eat shit mother fucker

choke on a cock

papill0n

are you his fucking lawyer cunt ? go and get fucked asshole

if you dont want to be fucked with dont spend years telling everyone its ok to fuck with people

the slimey little cunt thinks people should have to pay theives to get their property back - fuck that mother fucker

once again - fuck you you stupid argumentative cunt and fuck gideon

i hope the cunt loses his job - his house - fucking everything

couldnt give the slightest fuck

in fact the more he suffers the bigger my hardon gets

papill0n

oh yeah and if you want the attacks to stop apparently you need to send a DMCA and a 50$ stop attack fee

uniquemkt

the voice of reason..

uniquemkt

That's almost funny.

papill0n

come on then idiot

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1070460

candyflip

He has NEVER shit on anyone or advocated stealing anything. He's attempted to show people how to monetize content that is and is going to be stolen regardless of what you do. People simply don't like or care what he has to say...even though a lot of the time he's backed himself up with FACT.

He's been accused of being a pedo and peddling CP. He's been accused of being a content thief. Not once has ANYONE provided any sort of proof. Now they're targeting his (former?) employer.

What a bunch of fucking scumbags in this business.

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Captain Kawaii

He is a proponent of intellectual property theft. He believes it is fine to profit. I understand sharing with NO monetary gain. Kids in kindergarten do it.

uniquemkt

I saw him pointing out some fair-use cases where someone can use someone else's content, for profit, and be well within the law. I have not seen a situation where he was a proponent for stealing content and profiting from it. I would love to see an example that proves my perception wrong, do you have a link you could share?

topnotch, standup guy

According to Gideon, virtually every manifestation of copyright theft is "fair use" and, even if it isn't, he's cool with requiring copyright holders to pay a $50 fee to to submit their DMCA notices via fucking snailmail for crying out loud.

And you're wondering why he ain't too popular around these parts
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V_RocKs

i didn't read any of this

barcodes

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=8261...gg+drop+server

His defense here is that since he was super seeding, and the torrent files downloaded weren't 100% his but pieces of his files. If they are going to his site to download a torrent and part of the files are coming form him and he is making money from advertising hes still technically profiting from stolen content isn't he? It is a tv show, so I am assuming no one purchased them. Idk, just my way of understanding it.

I don't have a personal grudge against gg, sometimes I see his posts but honestly I hit a few walls of text and move on to something sillier. I had to mention this though because of what you said. Even if he can slide by using these methods, that post shows that he had a site at one point where he was giving out links to torrents and providing partial files in an a successful attempt to make money off it via advertising right? If you read into what he says, its obvious hes taunting everyone on the fact he cant get sued for the illegal torrent because the download doesn't come 100% from him but he's admitting to being a part of it.

barcodes

If enough people download the same torrent, wont the seeder eventually complete a whole download? Just what I got off of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-seeding#Effects

Again, idk. Just curious

bhutocracy

His WHOLE THING was that pirating someone's content isn't stealing because digital copies were being made not hard copies being removed from a shelf and you had fair use to it because you don't need permission from the copyright holder.
Hiding behind a twisted and self serving definition doesn't stop the fact that most here would consider using their products without paying for it stealing.

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uniquemkt
As an employer, I would want to know what my employees are doing on my computers during the time I'm paying them to work for me.

Anyone who is posting from work, is stealing from his employer and deserves the sack.

Informing an employer of this isn't wrong. Letting an employer see the views of an employee is useful for the employer to judge his suitability to the job.

GG's views on what was piracy and what was not went far beyond just creating back ups of bought content. Go read his posts to get the full picture.

Until then just be happy that someone who was stealing from his employer, by posting on boards during time he should of been working. Got fired.

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Tat2Jr

Stop looking for proof or examples. It's very simple.

A) He repeatedly poked the bear.
B) The bear finally bit him.

and finally,

C) The bear will stop attacking when it god damned feels like it.

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DWB

Advocating piracy which hurts intellectual property owners is fucking with their private life.


He worked for a company that made software.


Payback is always a bitch. Problem is, you don't know how big the hand is going to be that smacks the shit out of you when that payback comes. Sometimes it is a lot larger than you expected.




Wait, you mean the porn industry has scum bags in it?

Pirates = Good People

Good People who go after pirates = Scum Bags







Best post in the thread.

EddyTheDog

I am not comfortable with people taking their online shit into the real world like this.

It sets a president and now do we all have to worry every-time we post something that someone else does not agree with?

You could argue that he crossed a line, the problem is we will all have our own opinion of where that line should be.

We have judges and a whole legal system to tell us where the line is in the 'real world'.

Is the person that dished out this punishment to GG the correct person to make decisions on when it is time to punish someone?

Remember we are not talking about being banned or told off by a mod but real world actions that have real world consequences.

redhead

Precedent

EddyTheDog

It was the spell checks fault - honestly ....

DWB

You speak as if all of our jobs are make believe and have no real world existence. Shit stains like GG contribute to REAL LIFE losses for intellectual property owners. That is the real world, and it is fitting to see him dealt with in the same manner.

It is not just his comments, it is everything he stands for and believes in that insults and harms our industry (and others). As another poster said above, there is no difference between being a terrorist and supporting terrorism. In the eyes of the law, you are the same. The same applies to piracy.

I'm sure GG's boss isn't very happy knowing his employee supports the theft of his product and very well may be pirating their products, which there is a good chance he is.

You reap what you sow.

DWB

There is no opinion of where the "line" is when it comes to theft. It's either stolen or it's not. You either know it's stolen or you don't. Anyone trying to cloud that simple truth is either a pirate or a freeloader who believes he doesn't have to pay for things that others created.

redhead

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TheSwed

and what about people that makes a living on illegal produced content,
can they claim ownership of that content?

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EddyTheDog

We are talking about what has been said on GFY - If this is the real world then god help us all.

I like GFY, thats obvious, but it is sometimes a place to escape reality.

There is a very thick line when it comes to Copyright. Thats the problem.

Don't get me wrong GG's views are VERY wrong in my opinion.

I just don't like the idea of someone from here acting as Judge, Jury and Executioner.

redhead

I think the whole industry would benefit from a review of the copyright laws. Every lawyer i talk to about this thinks that they are redundant, confusing and unfit for purpose.

NewNick

QFT.


But there is another important point here. Peeps on forums create their own keyboard warrior personas. They say things to each other which they would never do in person. You would not get through the day without getting punched if you spoke your mind as if on a forum where no one knows where you work and live.

So I think we should all realise that forums are no different to the real world, if you piss people off they might decide that you need to be re-alligned with reality.

I personally would not go as far as what has been done to Mr Gallbladder but neither would I say it was wrong or that he did not deserve it. GG reaped what he sowed.

GG thought that a board persona gave him the right to say whatever he wanted to a group of people with real lives and businesses. But just like the good folks at Westboro you take this line and you find that those you attack are entitled to free speech aswell.

There are one or two others that post similar stuff to GG. "Its not theft" is a particularly difficult line to swallow when it is your stuff being stolen. "There is nothing you can do about piracy" is another argument that might get you into trouble. I am not advocating any kind of backlash against those that hold this view, but really a forum is just like real life, you temper what you say to people or be prepared for the consequencies.

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NewNick

No. Dont be silly.

They are theives.

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DWB

What someone creates or where they create it is irrelevant. The fact is, they created it and they own it. This is 100% about who owns and controls created works. Nothing more.

Saying something was produced illegally does not mean they can not own it. In most states in the USA it is illegal to make porn. It is also illegal to make porn in many countries. Being created under a law that *may* rule that creation illegal is not a reason to take away ownership from the person who created it. That just means you happen to be in a place where a law was in place at the time of creation, and that law could change at any time, in any direction. But you still own what you created. That's how it works.


GG made his point years ago and has been beating a dead horse every since just to spite everyone here and try to rub their faces in it. Now he's getting his face rubbed in it.

What is said here in passing and what is said here by someone who is part of group that is harming the lives of everywhere here are different things. GG knows what he is doing and this is the price he will have to pay for poking the bear. That's just the way it works sometimes. If you don't like it, don't poke the bear. GG prided himself on getting away with kicking the bear for several years, but in the end it doesn't look like it worked out the way he planned. That's life.

If someone wants to play keyboard tough guy or troll and it backfires eventually, he has no one to blame but himself. I feel no pity for GG or anyone like him who eventually gets their ass handed to him.

Good post.

If someone wants to support piracy, they are free to do so, but go do it somewhere else.