*face palm* CCbill now processing for Oron.com - WTF!?! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Fat Panda · 06-06-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

It's got to suck to pay 15% of each transaction

ccbill must collect 25%+ of transactions. on average they take 12% out of the checks I receive

MrDeiz · 06-06-2012, 11:46 AM

fiddy orons ccbilled

Dirty D · 06-06-2012, 11:49 AM

Here is some 3rd party proof of piracy from Google.

Google DMCA Info for Oron.com
URLs Requested to be Removed 4,229

http://www.google.com/transparencyre...ains/oron.com/

SwirlsGirl · 06-06-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I had my best month with CCBill ever last month but doing something like this basically cements the fact that the pay site industry is done for. I would be almost retarded to keep putting effort in promoting sponsors as an affiliate when the processor billing the transactions is at the same time billing for the largest pirate sites on the web. I feel even more sorry for the sponsors running pay sites. It's got to suck to pay 15% of each transaction to someone who is billing for the people who are responsible for decimating your business. Even worse is if they start scrubbing YOU harder to cover increased volume for Oron.

congrats on the well deserved great month! What would you charge to share your cumulative form submission % for may?

I have no interest in dollar amounts, or rebills, or price points....my interest is join form submissions %

signupdamnit · 06-06-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

congrats on the well deserved great month! What would you charge to share your cumulative form submission % for may?

I have no interest in dollar amounts, or rebills, or price points....my interest is join form submissions %

I'm only an affiliate.

The record was due to rebills primarily. Sign ups weren't that great but good for the last few months. I started sending more hits and sign ups to sponsors which rebilled better and had some luck to finally get over a ceiling I was always hitting before where I couldn't grow. One of the sponsors I was sending joins to had less than a 10% initial rebill rate on first rebills. Dropping them was what helped a lot.

BIGTYMER · 06-06-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SwirlsGirl

congrats on the well deserved great month! What would you charge to share your cumulative form submission % for may?

I have no interest in dollar amounts, or rebills, or price points....my interest is join form submissions %

Maybe they just aren't that interested in joining your site? Possible?

Dirty D · 06-06-2012, 11:59 AM

wow...

Let's not change the subject.

Axeman · 06-06-2012, 12:05 PM

Extremely disappointing to see this. Hope CCbill changes course asap.

Major (Tom) · 06-06-2012, 12:12 PM

contact merrick bank

allzorotime · 06-06-2012, 12:18 PM

hey CCBILL! what the fuck???

SwirlsGirl · 06-06-2012, 12:22 PM

Listen when the banks and pseudo banks need liquidity....they get liquidity

It's as simple as that

to hell with your preconceived notions of business fairness and integrity.

Margin Calls not with standing someone better get some funds in this piece today or their asses is grasses.

But sir what you are suggesting will make people mad if they find out.....to hell with people finding out....you better worry about finding me some liquidity or you can worry about finding the unemployment line

- Jesus Christ - · 06-06-2012, 12:23 PM

holy shit, will someone shut this crazy bitch up

DWB · 06-06-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by selena

Again, not asking sarcastically...simply seeking knowledge...

is processing lolita beastiality within the legal guidelines that they adhere to?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty D

Here is some 3rd party proof of piracy from Google.

Google DMCA Info for Oron.com
URLs Requested to be Removed 4,229

http://www.google.com/transparencyre...ains/oron.com/

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

contact merrick bank

Duke goes for the juggler.

CaptainHowdy · 06-06-2012, 12:29 PM

sperbonzo · 06-06-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

holy shit, will someone shut this crazy bitch up

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NBHNC · 06-06-2012, 12:37 PM

Just got in touch with my contact at Visa and emailed Mastercard.

Fat Panda · 06-06-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NBHNC

Just got in touch with my contact at Visa and emailed Mastercard.

good work. fuck ccbill

snaker · 06-06-2012, 12:42 PM

anyone with ccbill only programs ought to have their secondary billers on stand by. If/when oron goes down like megaupload CCbill is going to be in a serious situation.

DWB · 06-06-2012, 12:45 PM

Piracy aside, how is it Oron can have piss sex, blood sex, beast sex, child sex, and incest on their site and still get billing? CCbill or any other biller would shut me down with a quickness if I (or anyone in this thread) had such content, and rightfully so as it violates their terms.

CCbill, you have terms for a reason, apply them.

mikesouth · 06-06-2012, 12:49 PM

I dont see how CCBill can consider this fight worth it.

as big as CCBill is to us VISA could drop them and never see any effect on their bottom line, so VISA would drop them in a heartbeat if they got heat to do so.....CCBill should have the common sense to drop oron and let this die. This fight isn't worth it Ron.

BNMedia · 06-06-2012, 12:50 PM

I've already moved my primary processing to Epoch for type-in traffic.
This news has now swayed me to also move my affiliate program from CCBill to Epoch!

Forest · 06-06-2012, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

Piracy aside, how is it Oron can have piss sex, blood sex, beast sex, child sex, and incest on their site and still get billing? CCbill or any other biller would shut me down with a quickness if I (or anyone in this thread) had such content, and rightfully so as it violates their terms.

CCbill, you have terms for a reason, apply them.

you dont have the volume they do

in todays world its all about the benjamins

selena · 06-06-2012, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BNMedia

I've already moved my primary processing to Epoch for type-in traffic.
This news has now swayed me to also move my affiliate program from CCBill to Epoch!

While I'm not a big fan of what I'm seeing in this thread, you might want to just hold up on deciding what you want to do with the affiliate program, for a variety of reasons.

DWB · 06-06-2012, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest

you dont have the volume they do

in todays world its all about the benjamins

You are 100% correct, but terms are terms.

Example, "lolita" is forbidden for all sites in CCbill's terms, not just for smaller accounts. So is beast sex, bloody sex, snuff, and so on.

Forget the piracy issue and DMCAs. If they just followed their own terms, oron would be canned. I've already sent someone at CCbill a list of lolita links along with pissing while having sex and some other nasty things they don't allow, so they are now well aware of what is going on there.

BNMedia · 06-06-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by selena

While I'm not a big fan of what I'm seeing in this thread, you might want to just hold up on deciding what you want to do with the affiliate program, for a variety of reasons.

Any particular reason?
I posted a thread on here a while back suggesting that I was considering moving onto Epochstats. It's MPA3 powered and Epoch are clearly leading the way for processing now so I don't see what there is not to like by affiliates?
It seems like a win win situation for me.
I was possibly considering keeping the CCBill program too, but unless they pull the plug on this Oron shit I will be pulling the plug on CCBill!

BIGTYMER · 06-06-2012, 01:14 PM

Little off topic but oron got banned from Google?

BNMedia · 06-06-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Little off topic but oron got banned from Google?

Definitely not banned on google.co.uk

spunky99 · 06-06-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by selena

Would Mastercard only processing mean that the site wasn't inspected like they normally are for CCBill approval?

I'm not asking sarcastically. I am asking because I don't know.

I was always under the impression that what they approved was gone over with a fine-toothed comb. Recently another thread was discussing a financial domination site that someone planned to use CCBill as a processor for. The screencap showed the girl holding money, and another site owner...DWB maybe?....commented that he'd had that idea kicked to the curb before by CCBill.

from what i know, there's 2 stages of approval, 1 done by ccbill and then 1 done for visa. the ccbill approval is not that hard to get through, and if you arent in the know about oron.. getting http://oron.com/ submitted to you. would not raise any flags. anyone would approve it no problem.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-06-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Dear CCbill, just in case you want to play like you don't know what goes on over at Oron.com, THIS is the crap you are processing for now (lolita porn and lolitas having sex with animals - a direct violation of your terms, as well as Visa and Master Card):

I beg you, please drop Oron immediately. I do not want to lose my billing because you get caught up in beast sex and child porn billing problems with Visa and Master Card. And I'm sure I can speak for all of your clients when I say that.

I use ccBill, so bump for some answers from them to some very serious allegations, and why is it taking so long for ccBill to get someone in here to address this? Are they too busy counting their revenue from Oron?

ADG

selena · 06-06-2012, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BNMedia

Any particular reason?
I posted a thread on here a while back suggesting that I was considering moving onto Epochstats. It's MPA3 powered and Epoch are clearly leading the way for processing now so I don't see what there is not to like by affiliates?
It seems like a win win situation for me.
I was possibly considering keeping the CCBill program too, but unless they pull the plug on this Oron shit I will be pulling the plug on CCBill!

I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I love promoting BDSM.

I don't promote sites with Epoch though.

Or, to be more accurate, historically, I have not promoted them. If this cluster fuck doesn't resolve, that may change, but I rather doubt it.

From the perspective of someone who has been an affiliate for 8 years, and was an affiliate manager with the same company for almost 6 of those years, you have to see how it will impact your affiliate base. And your potential affiliate base. You don't want to be changing stuff up every day. If you do, you appear to be a flake sponsor, and you won't be trusted, even with what was trusted CCBill backing.

If you don't have tons of affiliates right now, that should be easy. Personally reach out to your top revenue producing affiliates and see what they say.

selena · 06-06-2012, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spunky99

from what i know, there's 2 stages of approval, 1 done by ccbill and then 1 done for visa. the ccbill approval is not that hard to get through, and if you arent in the know about oron.. getting http://oron.com/ submitted to you. would not raise any flags. anyone would approve it no problem.

Well, I figure you'd know as well as anyone, thank you!

I have only experienced CCBill as an affiliate. Back in the day, before JaYMan Cash/That One Program was Raven Riley Cash, they used CCBill exclusively. But that was before I went onboard.

It is obviously the VISA approval that I was thinking of. I wasn't aware of it being a two tiered approach.

Though I do think that the post that Robbie copied over from XBiz kind of clarifies that they are aware of what they are processing.

dgraves · 06-06-2012, 01:36 PM

I've been using CCBill for 7 years now and never thought I'd seen something like this from them.

dgraves · 06-06-2012, 01:40 PM

A little off topic. How is anyone suppose to know what Oron is? It's a blank page with an upload feature and a page with payment options.

spunky99 · 06-06-2012, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgraves

A little off topic. How is anyone suppose to know what Oron is? It's a blank page with an upload feature and a page with payment options.

exactly.. but this isnt the place to make sense.. this is where you can make crazy ass statements

Radical Bucks · 06-06-2012, 01:42 PM

Maybe ccbil is in bed with Manwin after all

PornoMonster · 06-06-2012, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgraves

A little off topic. How is anyone suppose to know what Oron is? It's a blank page with an upload feature and a page with payment options.

Upload + Payment, yep thats all you need to know.

Forest · 06-06-2012, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

You are 100% correct, but terms are terms.

Example, "lolita" is forbidden for all sites in CCbill's terms, not just for smaller accounts. So is beast sex, bloody sex, snuff, and so on.

Forget the piracy issue and DMCAs. If they just followed their own terms, oron would be canned. I've already sent someone at CCbill a list of lolita links along with pissing while having sex and some other nasty things they don't allow, so they are now well aware of what is going on there.

Terms or integrity are all negligible when it comes to money.

Times must be getting tight

Socks · 06-06-2012, 01:44 PM

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BIGTYMER · 06-06-2012, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BNMedia

Definitely not banned on google.co.uk

Strange. It's totally banned for me on Google mobile in the US..

Fat Panda · 06-06-2012, 01:58 PM

no ccbill response? rofl

topnotch, standup guy · 06-06-2012, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radical Bucks

Maybe ccbil is in bed with Manwin after all

I was thinking the same thing

Or if not that, perhaps this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forest

Times must be getting tight at ccbill.

Like they were at iBill ???

.

EpicPanda · 06-06-2012, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

I dont see how CCBill can consider this fight worth it.
CCBill should have the common sense to drop oron and let this die.

Agreed.

I've always been a good client for CCBill. I've been happy with them. I see the CCBill bashing threads, (and you can look back and see) I've never been a part of that – I really like CCBill.

The notion that we should even have to submit or "cc" our takedown notices to CCBill for "proof" like the community did to get Oron's Paypal account killed is insulting. CCBill has eyes and ears here - they already KNOW what Oron is up to, and know their relationship to the pirate boards, and to the overseas filelocker "affiliate/money laundering" racket. And if someone in their sales department didn't know, they're incompetent and should be replaced.

I don't think any of us should forget this issue, or stop *(sigh)* bumping these related threads until they get their hands out of the piracy cookie jar.

If they don't, then for future business my ears are open to any billing processor that wants to take a stand against piracy.

mikesouth · 06-06-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgraves

A little off topic. How is anyone suppose to know what Oron is? It's a blank page with an upload feature and a page with payment options.

How is anyone supposed toi know what oron is? seriously?

this is an adult webmaster resource board if you are an adult webmaster and you dont know what oron is you are either a moron or you better not quit your day job...maybe both...

Radical Bucks · 06-06-2012, 02:08 PM

I always wondered how passwords to our sites have always ended up on password share boards so easy hmmm I wonder

CCBILL claims to be hack proof, NOT true or they have just been busted.

selena · 06-06-2012, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgraves

A little off topic. How is anyone suppose to know what Oron is? It's a blank page with an upload feature and a page with payment options.

If they didn't know, it would take about 2 clicks to find out.

dgraves · 06-06-2012, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

How is anyone supposed toi know what oron is? seriously?

this is an adult webmaster resource board if you are an adult webmaster and you dont know what oron is you are either a moron or you better not quit your day job...maybe both...

So the average surfer would know what it is? That was my point douchebag.

I just love when pussies like you shit talk on here.

Radical Bucks · 06-06-2012, 02:16 PM

I am gonna run and get a weeks supply of popcorn. This is gonna get entertaining!

Paul Markham · 06-06-2012, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor

Time to send CCBill a few thousand DMCA notices and see if they still think this is a good idea.

QFT

Major (Tom) · 06-06-2012, 02:37 PM

I remember warren, myself & red walked martina warren back to her room because she had too much to drink. Warren was her husband. Anyway, Mrs ccbill saw us walking back & got our info. No big deal. The next day my little fuckin twit andy, my rep, calls me to "make sure nothing happened" as in "you are pretty hardcore dudes therefore you cannot be in anyway shape or form a gentleman." He was pressured into calling me by the late Ron Cadwell & his wife. I found that to be extremly insulting & basically said fuck you. So you would think a company who is this concerned about their image would be concerned about their image. Fuck you Cadwells. All of you.
ds

Spudstr · 06-06-2012, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Account Inactive

CCBill LLC
1-888-596-9279
Email address: [email protected]

is what i see under Mastercard now

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06-06-2012, 12:05 PM	#58
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06-06-2012, 12:12 PM	#59
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06-06-2012, 12:18 PM	#60
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06-06-2012, 12:22 PM	#61
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06-06-2012, 12:23 PM	#62
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06-06-2012, 12:42 PM	#68
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06-06-2012, 12:45 PM	#69
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Piracy aside, how is it Oron can have piss sex, blood sex, beast sex, child sex, and incest on their site and still get billing? CCbill or any other biller would shut me down with a quickness if I (or anyone in this thread) had such content, and rightfully so as it violates their terms. CCbill, you have terms for a reason, apply them.

06-06-2012, 12:49 PM	#70
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06-06-2012, 12:50 PM	#71
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06-06-2012, 01:14 PM	#76
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06-06-2012, 01:40 PM	#83
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06-06-2012, 01:42 PM	#85
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06-06-2012, 02:37 PM	#99
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,268	I remember warren, myself & red walked martina warren back to her room because she had too much to drink. Warren was her husband. Anyway, Mrs ccbill saw us walking back & got our info. No big deal. The next day my little fuckin twit andy, my rep, calls me to "make sure nothing happened" as in "you are pretty hardcore dudes therefore you cannot be in anyway shape or form a gentleman." He was pressured into calling me by the late Ron Cadwell & his wife. I found that to be extremly insulting & basically said fuck you. So you would think a company who is this concerned about their image would be concerned about their image. Fuck you Cadwells. All of you. ds Last edited by Major (Tom); 06-06-2012 at 02:40 PM..