2014

Well give him $15000.

2014

That is what he is shooting for.

Major Tom Thanks Duke

hire a real dmca service. if you cant afford them, well..
just stating the facts
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GregE

I'm faster than most real dmca services.


Are you always an asshole, or are you just cranky today because the gerbil bit on the way in?

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Major Tom Thanks Duke

Sorry,
I'm not being am asshole. I'm just saying you'll never make a dent yourself. We have a full time staff, & 2 dmca services & barely make a dent.

dgraves

Each site owner/producer is trying to fight their own battle against piracy and the problem here is asking a few to help fight a war. This approach will never succeed long-term because it takes an army to fight a war, not just a few gung ho soldiers.

It's impossible for a site owner/producer to measure the success of a campaign like this so that's why there are limited contributions.

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GoldBarsXXX

instead of donations make a 20$-30$ rebill account and I am sure many of us will subscribe.

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GregE

No problem. I just get a little "funny" sometimes when discussing this topic.

Timely DMCA's do help a little bit, but the only thing that could have resulted in real change was what AK attempted.

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Klen

Speaking about torrent freak:
http://torrentfreak.com/stopfilelock...utdown-131002/

tokmansta

Lol these comments.

"The internet is now telling you to get fucked, asshole King."
"This guy doesn't care about the law, he just cares about fucking companies over, legal or not."

GoldBarsXXX

instead of donations make a 20$-30$ rebill account and I am sure many of us will subscribe.

Anybody supports this idea?

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Major Tom Thanks Duke

it's the best idea yet, but like everything in this industry everyone will just sit idly by and hope the few pay for it. It's basically like welfare.

I do however think there is more drama than needed requied to finalze affairs of the sort. That's what has me scratching my head...
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JimmyStephans

I got lost on your post. More drama where? In the thread, by AK, in the file locker game?

Sorry, just a lost bald guy here..

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dgraves

The problem is there's no real punishment for content theft. The DMCA system is a complete goat fuck. It's like telling a caught thief that he just has to give the stolen goods back without any other punishment.

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LouiseLloyd

Same with most online theft...

Go in to a brick and mortar store, pocket something of little value and you are walked out in cuffs and heading for the police station, getting a criminal record and perhaps heading for the courts, even prison...

Buy some stolen card details online, bang em for a few £xx,xxx, even have the audacity to get the stuff delivered to your real home address and even if the victim reports it personally to the police you'll be unlucky to ever hear anything, do that over and over again, same story.

Law needs drastically updating to account for online crime.

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JimmyStephans

That is not exactly true... but punishing the bad guys is left to the content owner not a police department. Plus, the content owner needs to have made an investment in the process.

1- If a content owner properly registers his content he can ask the courts for Statutory Damages of up to $150,000 per infringement without having to prove how much damage was done to your business. It takes just $35 to register.

2- If the poster is a person the DMCA doesn't apply. You can sue the very day you find the post. (other options are available, but you can sue instantly if you wish).

Of course, you have to invest the time, and some time a few bucks, to figure out who the poster is. That is not near as hard as it sounds. Carefully review the recent cases of the guy that was hacking Miss Teen USA's webcam and the guy running Silk Road. Both caught because of simple mistakes... and guess what, almost all copyright violators make those same type of mistakes.

Since May I have received over $100K in settlements from posters on one simple website. How did I find the guys?... DUH, paid the forum owner $500 for screenshots showing the email addresses and IPs. Forum owner is a pirate himself... no honor among thieves. My $500 was easy for him (and now my shit is no longer on that site) and I got evidence used for settlements.

Plus, the guys that didn't settle... lawsuits coming (actually scanning registration certificates today to be used as exhibits).

3- If the violator is a website / forum / host the DMCA only applies if they are registered with the Copyright Office. Because of the government shutdown I can't give a link - but to qualify for protection under the DMCA companies / websites / ISPs / OSPs must register and pay a fee.

Remember Oron.com? Thats what took them down... Liberty Media only sued for videos that had been on Oron before Oron had registered (which meant it was a direct violation not subject to DMCA notices being sent).

My meaning is - yes, copyright can be protected with some work and investment, and monies can be recovered to make up for what you lost in sales due to the violations.

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dgraves

Good info man, thanks. Were you able to process this yourself or did you use an attorney?

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JimmyStephans

I do much of it myself. Email you a sample document in a minute.

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EpicPanda

Yes. Count me in for one.

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AdultKing

As I posted on earlier in the week, this is a reminder to people to stop sending notices to Copy Control.

From midnight (AEST) the infringements@ and enforcement@ mailboxes will go offline. Please ensure that you stop sending copies of DMCA and infringement reports to those addresses.

For those people who are sending paper (snail mail) based reports, please note that no further reports will be received and those received from Monday morning will be returned to sender.

Throughout today I'll be halting our various bots and shutting down the servers hosting them. All tools will be taken offline at midnight.

If you were one of the (few) companies or people that had a representation agreement with Copy Control, all of the reports to domain registrars and hosting companies have been suspended so no more confirmation emails will be sent out.

The last reports to various payment processors will go out at 5pm today, however we won't be receiving information on the outcome of those reports. As of now there are 19 sites in the queue to be dealt with. I would expect that all of these will lose one or more forms of payment processing as a result.

The Copy Control phone number will be answered as normal by reception until 5pm (AEST) today. The fax number will go offline at midnight. If you were sending faxed reports then please stop these coming.

The report Piracy form on the Copy Control website will be removed later today, thank you to the hundreds of people who sent in tips via that form.

The Copy Control website will stay up for the remainder of the financial year (until June 30, 2014) and the contact form may still be used until then, however we won't be dealing with adult piracy matters through that form so please don't send reports there.

Thank you to every company and person who supported or participated or volunteered their time to this effort.

inthecrack

I would support this idea. I made a pretty decent donation at the beginning of this campaign but none since because I always have other priorities to be taking care of. If there was an ongoing subscription model that I never had to think about then I would do it and I'm sure many others would. It's pretty tough to get people to continually come back and keep making donations. A recurring subscription would solve that. What do you think AK? Or are you just worn out and had enough anyways?

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AdultKing

Good idea if we can find a bare minimum of 233 people willing to fork out $30 a month.

I think the prospect is fairly unlikely, there's also a time factor i.e.: we have none left.

inthecrack

And $100/month or more for the bigger players in the biz. Many of us already fork out $400/month to play whack-a-mole. Recurring subscriptions are a lot more cumulative. You could change the entire outlook by altering your donations model.

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bean-aid

If 233 people to subscribe $30/month is not possible then their is novdoubt in my mind adult is dead.

Try hitting up people like relentless and package his monthly recurring plans into your cause.

Normally i would say many options, but i really think even those with money in adult are the cheapest mofos on this planet.

johnnyloadproductions

Probably dead.

If someone was willing to build a bot to PM every member on here for a donation by botting through the membership ID threads and sending a specific response. I'm sure Eric would allow it in this case because of it's cause.

and...

If we had Helen from WTF bucks email list, we might be able to turn this thing around.

I think AK is pretty drained physically and emotinally, probably more emotionally because of how apathetic many of you are, pretty sad really.

AdultKing

Actually I am nowhere near drained, I could have kept this project going for another year easily.

The issue basically boils down to flogging a dead horse. The funding has dried up, there are expenses that need to be met in order to keep going. Those expenses cannot be met, therefore we close.

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JimmyStephans

I would jump in at $100 a month if this was set-up.

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Screwed Up

I'm in. Even $50/month is fine by me.

AdultKing for president!

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I think if you were to take a poll you'd find lots of people interested in jumping in on a subscription bases at $30, $50, $100, even $200/month. I don't think you should give up on the whole thing without at least testing an alternate donations model. You might be changing the financial outlook dramatically with a subscription based model. Rather than having to sell people on a donation every time it is time to donate you would now only have to sell them on it once and then it just keeps on going on it's own. No one should know this better than an adult webmaster. You could potentially even pay employees rather than rely on volunteers. Coincidentally, is there something wrong with being profitable in this venture? Are you not providing a service? Can the subscription model not at least be tried and tested for a month? Is that not better than just giving up on it and never knowing what might have been?

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DamianJ

Yeah, either that, or people don't think there is any point to what he was doing.

EpicPanda

That's a logical fallacy.

And yet another post by you meant to provoke and annoy.

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Here?s my take on it and just so you know, I was hoping AK could make a difference cause I see people getting ripped everyday by these big boards. To me it seems AK spent too much time on the little guys and not enough on the big guys. Hurting a big board or 2 would have made a huge difference IMO.

Year and a half ago pirates used large boards to sell pirated content through file lockers. Today pirates used large boards to sell pirated content through file lockers.
It?s business as usual on all large boards.
Unfortunately I haven?t seen any effect on large boards. I assume that?s a good reason donations are not coming in. Content providers and webmasters are more worried about the big boards than a small 1000 member board. Hurting a 30,000+ member board and cutting off all their funds would have seen donations through the roof IMO. But after a year and half, I don?t see any difference.

Sorry if that sounds bad, but that?s the way I see things and I?m sure a lot of others do too. I appreciate AK?s efforts, but it?s not making a difference.

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bean-aid

I think you are a bit off in your thinking.

The big boards link to a number of filelockers. He was going after them and I know that for a fact. rapidgator (all over pornbb, dig420's forum, many, many others) was one of the biggest and he put a thorn in their side.

See, if he kills the filelocker, then the boards link to a dead link. Surfer can't download the video, wants it, it is possible they would then be forced to go to the site.

He was trying to kill the host first. If the host is dead, it actually is free marketing. Not saying it is great marketing because sure enough, another link to another host, will popup.

But if some of these filelocker owners started seeing jail time, banned from Visa permanently, it would def. help. That would take an enormous team and a lot of funding.

It's not really the sites that matter... they are not associated with Visa or banks directly.

SplatterMaster

That would be nice.
I can see what you're saying, but to the people that actually sell the products, it is the boards that really matter. Cause the boards are the source of all the content links. Hundreds of new links a day, so old dead links really don't matter. And again, that's just the way I see it.

AdultKing

Hotfile
Rapidgator
Netload
FileFactory
DepositFiles
etc

were not all little guys

WDF

I understand how some might think the link farms/boards are the main focal point in online piracy although it is a somewhat narrow minded view over all. If you take away the income from File Hosts and Ad networks many of the sites and link posters will disappear.

There was a poll on WJunction about the time AK started his campaign asking if people would continue to post links to content if there was no monetary reward. It should be no surprise that out of those that responded approximately 75% said they would not, many noted no money would result in not being able to pay for hosting, premium file host accounts, Remote Desktops Accounts, Rapid Leech Accounts, Content Scrapers, Etc.

AK worked to that end, by making it difficult for File Hosts to process payments for services, he created an interruption in the cash flow.

If anyone failed to see the results or the effect of his actions just take a look at the posts/comments in response to his closure post being noted on Torrent Freak and reposted on Wjunction.

A few old players in the File Hosting business have already reinstated Pay Per Download programs to encourage the return of those content thieves that you are concerned with on the big boards.

I can tell you the lack of support for AK's effort will come back to haunt many of you. No watchdog means there will be many new file hosts popping up offering quick money with high rates to attract people and the posting of infringing material will increase in an effort to grab that cash.

As noted many times in this thread by different people the current DMCA removal methods are extremely ineffective. Entire site closures are difficult and can be costly and time consuming when they are successful. That leaves very few options.

People on both sides of the equation know the validity of the results of AK's efforts.

There is no question he made an impact and he knows I am qualified to make that assessment.

johnnyloadproductions

You prove to be one of the few that have a thorough understanding of the problem, unfortunately most people don't understand the system and I've come to find are incapable of understanding it, or so it seems.

I told AK after this I wouldn't offer up any suggestions or even comment on threads or people whining about piracy. A long term plan was offered right here, the only viable one that fixed the problem.
So much for that, enjoy your time sending out DMCA takedowns and working against pirates, I'm sure your time is worth more than the $30-100 you could have paid each month to the SFL campaign.

adendreams

count me in



AK you didnt give in to temptation and take a juicy salary gig with one of your adversaries right?

not at all an accusation, just a question

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johnnyloadproductions

And exchange his lengthy time of building credibility in the process? I don't think so.

Judging by his past conduct and how he has gone out of his way to prove shady people are shady, it is very very unlikely.

5800 reasons why this industry failed to recognize the only campaign that would have ultimately made a difference.

adendreams

he mentioned a 6 figure offer...thus my curiosity

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SplatterMaster

But that's what we have been doing all along. It hasn't stopped, or slowed down.

Please don't take this wrong AK or anyone who worked on the project, but i don't see any difference today from yesterday at a sending out DMCA.

To me file lockers and big boards are one in the same. One doesn't exist without the other. If all big boards are still running after a year and half, then nothing has been accomplished. Yes I know lockers have been closed and lockers went private, but perhaps this project should have concentrated on those lockers that are working with the big boards today. Rapidgator was a big hit, and no doubt shook up the pirate community, but then we let new lockers move in on the boards and nothing was done to them. I see post about other little file lockers and some board that has 1000 members. And I think to myself, what about the lockers that are working with the big boards now? And I check everyday and wonder. Surly there is enough evidence to close these. Look at all the post on these boards.

Maybe I set AK on too high of a pedestal and expected too much from him in too little of time. But I kept "watching this space" and was hoping one day to see a post like "forumophilia (or any big board) has been unable to find a file locker to work with them. As a result their site went black". But that day never came, and DMCAs were sent out.

johnnyloadproductions

This will be my last post in this thread, there isn't any reason to keep debating now that things have closed.

If you have questions, read back through this thread as they will be answered to how this campaign was making a difference.

SplatterMaster

I don?t really have questions. I?ve read the entire thread. In fact I joined this site because I was excited about this tread. Finally something might change I thought.

All I?m doing now is giving you guys my perspective. If you?re going to solicit donations from a certain group, you need to make sure that your goal is to help that group. And helping that group in this case is stopping the pirates that earn a living off other peoples work. How is that measured? By the DMCA?a being sent out on large boards is one way. If DMCAs being sent out has not changed, then what you?re doing is not helping your target audience. You can say you?ve shut down 15000 file lockers. But being able to say you prevent 15000 DMCAs every day would carry a lot more weight with your targeted audience. It?s not hard for a site owner to look at the boards out there and see that nothing has changed for them. Their content is still being pirated just like it was a year and half ago. Same boards, same pirates. Only thing that?s changed is the file locker and the email address DMCAs are sent to.

I really do appreciate Aks efforts. And anyone who helped in this. I?m sure you did a lot more than I and many more out there.

I wish everyone who was involved in the campaign the best. And hope they keep fighting the good fight in whatever they do in the future.

Major Tom Thanks Duke

Being that there are no more efforts going into this cause, there is no need to keep this thread alive.
Duke

Profits of Doom

You're a smart guy Duke, and in reading your last few posts on this subject you seem to agree that something here just doesn't pass the smell test...

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Major Tom Thanks Duke

Yup. Something isn't right.
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It has smelled fishy to me since day one.

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