MrDeiz

specify please

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AdultKing

Every big file locker started as a small file locker, the problem we now face is that for years nobody did anything so small file lockers grew into the behemoths we battle now.

We work toward shutting down every infringing file locker we can, regardless of size.

2014

Problem is that paypal follows usa laws no matter where they process. with Visa and Mastercard this is not the case. They follow local laws where they are processing. So its hard to get cc processing terminated for sites out of the usa. Much more cc laws in the usa then anywhere else in the world.

AdultKing

This is incorrect.

Paypal have different agreements in different jurisdictions.

Visa & MasterCard both have global IP policies.

donnyt81

So why wasn't it possible to shut down the merchant accounts of the most rogue sites out there? It's almost two years now and in my opinion nothing changed, because the small ones have no impact when the big boys are still there...

AdultKing

A lot has changed and its tougher than its ever been for the big file lockers to process payments. Watch the upload monkey hangouts for clues as to which file lockers are running into difficulty.

Determined sites will have a huge number of merchant accounts and billing relationships, impacting them is not a quick process.

adultmobile

What it has changed exactly and when?

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AdultKing

The whole risk profile of file lockers has been raised over the course of the past couple of years. Acquirers are now much better educated about the adverse risks that file lockers present and have acted accordingly.

It's harder to get payment processing for a file locker now than it was when this project began and we work every day to further restrict file lockers access to payment processing.

jódete

donnyt81

When I look at the top 50 or even top 100 file lockers, it's really obvious that it must be really hard for them to get payment and credit card processing...

johnnyloadproductions

The only people that will notice variances are people like liveguyz with large programs, where they deal with it first hand.

It's making a difference alright.

DamianJ

Yeah, but it's really easy for Bobby to remove paypal for a few days from one or two of the bottom 500,000 file lockers no one has heard of.

How d'ya like them apples?

DamianJ

Why aren't they posting about it and giving Bobby massive, massive donations then?

If what you are saying were true, they would be all over Bobby, and posting saying how amazing a difference his campaign makes and getting other people to donate so he can keep up the 'good work'.

They fact no one is doing that speaks volumes.

It sure is. The people who went to the little tiny file lockers are now going to the big ones Bobby can't touch. Go team!

johnnyloadproductions

Damian, I can understand your hate for opportunist lawyers and phase out strategies like Steve Lightspeed, why all the hate for AK.

Some of these file lockers make pretty damn good money piggybacking off of peoples' hard work. Show some love, love.

DamianJ

I don't *hate* him at all. It's just pointless. As I've said many, many times, we all have limited, finite resources and money. You have choices where to spend that finite money and time. And I promise you that if people spent that time and money improving their sites rather than playing whack-a-mole, they would see more return on their investment.

A/B or MVT testing tours, landers, email, ads, pre-joins, joins etc will net you MUCH more extra cash than trying to fight an unwinnable war.

Why do you think the 'big guys' you claim are all seeing a massive difference in sales are not posting about it to help Bobby?

EpicPanda

The removal of Paypal from filelockers has made a big difference in the ease of signing up for them. Some of the lockers use their own merchant accounts at obscure Russian banks now, and American banks refuse the transaction as suspicious. And that's if you even want to put your card into the form.

Our sales have gone up the past two years, 20% each year. There are a number of factors, but AK is one of them.

Would I like to see certain hosts go down, particularly the ones causing us the biggest problems? Yes. And so I watch this thread, hope the pressure continues, and find your trolling annoying.

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DamianJ

So % of the 40% your sales have increased by thanks to AK are you giving him?

johnnyloadproductions

He's donated.

WDF

http://translate.google.com/translat...2798902. html

http://whois.domaintools.com/ryushare.com/

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EpicPanda

Even more than the increase, I'd say the removal of easy payment methods from piracy is partly responsible for us not seeing a yearly decrease. And because this is bigger than AK, I would also include CCBill dropping filelockers too as important. Paypal and briefly CCBill appearing on filelockers was part of the BOOM period of lockers and forums, where I watched a lot of our competitors get torn to pieces and stop making new sites as the pirates made easy money. If that had continued, I think we'd be fighting for air every week. I watched some of our oldest and best members migrate to the filelocker ecosystem in that time, and many are still there, begging for uploads every week to whatever specific locker they've risked putting their credit card into. But we're slowly starting to recover. 20% growth is good, but it's not easy street.

Now if you don't mind, I'll dip out of this public conversation.

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AdultKing

We're targeting around 1000 file lockers and around 50,000 piracy source sites.

One by one we're depriving them of billing and knocking them down, big and small.

We have strategies behind what we're doing, we're not about to share those strategies publicly.

There is a coalition of people working behind the scenes who have access to our collaboration tools who work together on making life difficult for the pirates and the sites that cater to them.

People can bitch and moan, criticise and nitpick, detract and deflect all they like. None of that will stop us from continuing our work.

jódete

mineistaken

I have seen big lockers go down as well. Examples might be filesconic, oron.
I do not know the reasons though, might be unrelated with payment processing.

mineistaken

While this is true from single person's perspective it may not be true from full perspective because if you fight against pirates you not only help your profits, but you help all the others.
Lets say by fighting you help your profits only 1% and by doing what you suggested you could help your profits 50%.
But remember that your 1% is across the board, it is added to thousands webmasters' bottom line.

So it is sort of public service instead of just looking at only your own bottom line.

liveguyz

It is as simple as that! Not only has AK made an impact but he has really inspired a lot of webmasters to file complaints with filelocker's credit card processors and webhosts and I can say firsthand these processors and hosts are taking heed and it is making it much tougher for filelockers to survive. And the simple fact is that when there is less of our pirated content out there we make more sales!

SplatterMaster

Oron was taken down by a gay content provider. Filesonic went offline after the Mega takedown for fear the FBI would target them next.

WDF

If you look closely at this case there is reason to be encouraged.

I will not go into detail publicly.

http://nuked.me/ryushare-com-owner-a...d-site-closed/

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AdultKing

Nothing new here.

The demise of RYUShare has been publicly documented by the upload monkeys on WJunction over the past several days.

http://www.wjunction.com/102-file-ho...50457-582.html

WDF

The cause and effect is the interesting part.

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Alex911

AK was that you?

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AdultKing

I am not sure if it was us directly or not.

Last year we made representations through official Government channels regarding OnePay.vn, Lumfile, RYUShare and two other file lockers plus a couple of multi download sites operating out of Vietnam.

OnePay.vn became a credit card processor of choice for some of these sites because of where they are domiciled.

I don't know if our work directly resulted in the demise of RYUShare as there has not been much information available as yet about what has taken place.

It is interesting to note that two file lockers removed OnePay.vn at around the same time that RYUShare went down. Whether this is related or not may become clearer over time.

Alex911

Oh so you may have draw the attention of local Vietnamese enforcement authorities on their activities, nice man
It looks these guys were doing a lot more than infringing copyrights though...

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AdultKing

I don't know if it was us, we push in many directions and usually when it comes to law enforcement or Government action things can take a very long time to reach any outcome.

What we do know about several of the file lockers is that they are connected to some form of organised criminal activity, which means that it's not necessarily running a file locker that brings them undone.

In the case of UltraMegaBit.com hitting them from a consumer protection law saw them hit with a $20,000 penalty.


edit: RYUShare may not actually be dead at all, the following message now appears on their home page:

Alex911

Maybe there's a DNS propagation happening right now but I still see the SQL error from here. New host?

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WDF

I would not be surprised if a transfer of ownership for RyuShare is not in the works. They can not continue as a VN owned site/service and allow certain material to be served without continuing to be subject to the same laws that prompted the arrests the beginning of the month.

On another note:

http://translate.google.com/translat...oadverbod.html

Cabinet: Netherlands has immediate download ban

The Netherlands is immediately prohibited by copyright laws to download from illegal sources, for example via torrent sites and newsgroups. Protected material This enables the government in response to a ruling by the European Court.

Sorry Google Translate is a little sloppy.

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spiederman

In the Netherlands its no longer allowed to download copyrighted matrial from an illegal source, like torrentsites and newsgroups. This was announced by the goverment in an reaction following a statement made by the EU court.

earlier this thursday the european court of Justice announced that The Netherlands cannot allow people downloading of copyrighted materials from an illegal source. which basicly puts in place a download ban in effect emediatly."This means that downloading from an illegal source is prohibited, starting now" Spokesperson Wiebe Alkema of the dutch Safety and Justice department.

There is no need to change the law to enforce a download ban. There is no law that prohibits the downloading of copyrighted material: the goverment and Dutch judges only agreed that the law can be interpreted in this way. The European court now decided that this is not the case. The european court is above the national courts, so this ruling has more leverage.

downloaders are not in danger of prosecution: the goverment says its not a criminal offence but a civil one. this means that private organisations like Stichting Brein can go after downloaders. Stichting Brein announces that they will continue to go after the suppliers, and not the downloaders; that policy will not go unchanged.

This ruling of the European court followed a lawsuit filed by Sony, Philips and other Electronics manufacturers. The case involved the amount of "homecopyfee". in that case the question was made if the "homecopyfee" justified downloading from illegal source, because the fee is based on just that. The goverment will research what influence this will have on the homecopyfee.

Downloading illigaly can promote copyright violation according to the European court. and it can not be tolerated. The Netherlands always stated that downloading of such material is the same as copying a CD or DVD, but the European court doesn't agree on that. In the same time the European court recognizes that such a ban is impossible to maintain.

Civil rights movement "Bits of Freedom" calls the ban "undesirable". spokesperson Tim Toornvliet says the ban opens the door to 'unwanted blockades, filters and containment of the freedom of speech'."the next step is measures that are a privacy-breach".

In the past the goverment has suggested a download ban a couple times, but because of protest of civilians this has never been enforced. in the end of 2012 the goverment party PVDA said that such a ban is not excluded, but later the party called a download ban unmentionable. The homecopy fee is since last year also put on harddisks, smartphones, tablets and pc's.




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You're welcome.


Long story short.

There is a download ban, kinda always has been, goverment won't enforce it cause its a civil crime, Brein won't go after downloaders, but will continue their hunt on the suppliers.

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I see this affirmation of the legislation as a positive step.

While Brein may not bring down loaders to court rights holders and their reps may find it easier to bring legal action.

It is another deterrent with the possibility of real consequences.

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good job AK!! keep going!!

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WDF

Well it appears Ryushare was put back online only to collect evidence.

http://www.thanhniennews.com/society...ite-25303.html

http://nuked.me/ryushare-com-update-...s-from-piracy/


http://torrentfreak.com/ryushare-fil...seized-140414/

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MrTrollkien

And Wjunction looks to be down om my end.

AdultKing

That's conjecture.

There is more to this particular case than is apparent at first glance and it's probably unhelpful to speculate in this thread which has wide exposure amongst the very people we seek to target.

lucas131

it is interesting that in vietnam you go to jail, in new zealand you go for political career

AdultKing

Kim Dotcom is not out of the woods yet.

ShackledMaidens

http://torrentfreak.com/movie-studio...awsuit-140408/

http://torrentfreak.com/now-the-riaa...-theft-140411/

WDF

Is it?

Many of us are aware of that. Many people, myself included, are interested about what else may come from it also.

Every thing posted came from already posted information and video that is publicly available to those that seek it. How does that provide any help or hindrance to anyone?

Are you saying that the same people you ask to help with your campaign should not be pointed to basic news and information publicly posted elsewhere relating to your thread topic?

Are you asking me to start a thread for that discussion rather then bump this 1 with relevant information?

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AdultKing

No that's not what I am saying, however sometimes it's better to be circumspect.

What you post is up to you obviously. Just as long as readers here are clear that you merely recycle news from other sources and that you do not have any involvement in our activities.

jódete

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DVTimes

this thread is huge

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WDF

You mean I post facts/news supported by other media outlets, leaked data, and other information with links to the source material rather then lists of File Locker sites that may or may not have operational payment processing accounts after your campaigns actions.

I think everyone here @ GFY and on the internet for that matter, with the exception of a few people, know that your campaign and Nuke Piracy or myself are not connected in any way. We work privately, for a fee, and directly with our clients and keep them informed about our progress, you ask for donations and post very little about what you do.

I really do not see how there can be any confusion about there being no connection between your campaign and Nuke Piracy. I think your post about this a number of pages back made it clear there are major differences between our operations and yours.

Let me know when you decide to come down off that pedestal you put yourself on.

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AdultKing

That's a bit rich coming from an opportunistic hacker and (former) pirate who used to be knee deep in the shit that is the warez scene.

In my experience leopards rarely change their spots.

I do not believe for one minute that you ran UploaderTalk.com, taking money from the likes of Rudy Corella and UltraMegaBit.com as a honeypot - which is what you have claimed. You provided a forum and support for many pirates.

Your past endeavours show that you are an untrustworthy thief, with a long history of copyright theft and even helping to staff that cesspool that is WJunction.

As for RYUShare, I know for a fact that you have zero idea what is really going on, however if you want to keep recycling posts from WJunction as some endeavour to make people think you're a credible force in the anti-piracy movement then that is completely up to you.

Most people will see you for what you are, someone who illegally obtains information, a former pirate with an axe to grind and opportunist.