AdultKing

Is your content there ? If so, we can have a crack at giving them a hard time.

Captain Kawaii

Just people's content we sell. Not ours. I've brought it to their attention but never hear back.

AdultKing

I'll pass it around our team and see if anyone has some ideas.

Martin Sparrow

And yet his project is called "Stop Filelockers"

Up to date no real big filelocker has been stopped by him.

Copious lists of micro blogs taken their paypal accounts we have seen posted.

Big Ones?
None...


And that in more than TWO AND A HALF YEAR!



But keep sending your money!

AdultKing

If what we do is so useless, why do you bother posting and whining about it ?

His Infernal Majesty

Why the snarkiness? Multimillion dollar outfits like the RIAA and MPAA haven't killed these types of criminal enterprises, yet, either. The legal process is long and slow.

I see the pirates whine that he accepts donations at all. Adultking isn't allowed to make money from his work? Yet, the people who bitch about these things want to make money off other people's work. This is the true hypocrisy of these file lockers.

They piggyback on things that should be pure: like free speech and truly sharing information. When crippling legislation like some mutant form of SOPA is finally passed down, they are the ones who will be to blame for ruining the internet as we know it.

Ever spend time on a pirate board? All the rules and regulations of how to "share"? What you can say, what file lockers you can use. What happened to freedom of sharing information there? It's bullshit. It's only about money for nothing.

And yet people on here give Adultking a hard time for trying? Why?

Martin Sparrow

I do not whine.

I do not beg.

I do not complain.

I just...


Well maybe graphical images and music work better with your audience.






I just think you are a pathetic fuck taking money from people that think you are one of them.

While you are not.

Plain and simple.

Martin Sparrow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Tony_%26_Co.

AdultKing

It's worth pointing out that I receive no income or benefit from this work.

I donated my time for free, initially for a year and then extended that for another two years.

The structure is managed by a NOT FOR PROFIT association separate from Copy Control - and Copy Control Pty Limited, while being a company, places all funds back into the work it does. In fact Copy Control posted a NET OPERATING LOSS of $50,698 for the period 1st July 2012 to 30th June 2013.

I regularly do things that aren't charged to Copy Control and cover them out of my own pocket just so we can keep our head above water each month.

I am not paid a salary or wage and receive no fringe benefits either.

His Infernal Majesty

I apologize for the misrepresentation. I was referring to the arguments where money is brought up at all in the lame attempts to damn your hard work. I know you do not make anything from this project. Not that it would matter to me even if you did. I just find it funny that it has been a specific focus of your opponents (I guess to call them?) when their entire intent is to make money.

AdultKing

That's ok, I didn't think you were suggesting that I did make money from this.

It's always the same people bitching, complaining and so on.

Most days I am in the office by 4am, leave early evening and conduct phone meetings at all hours of the night. We've shut down lots of piracy sites and file lockers and this has ruffled some people's feathers.

The people who say 'oh this file locker was just tiny, why bother?' ignore that fact that sites like Rapidgator, Netload or Hotfile were once small little sites which were allowed to grow.

Keeping a lid on the up and coming sites is just as important as going after the big fish - some people are just too thick to understand this.

Captain Kawaii

That would be great. It seems they are trying to use the new software to allow people to run their stolen content through boxes to their tv. if that is true I am wondering if that is a terms of service violation for most home internet or cable tv companies. Perhaps people should start losing their internet and tv connections for such violations. Thats actually happening in some places and perhaps it should be worldwide.

Your detractors are lame and pathetic criminals. I also do not get why people like DamianJ chime in. I suspect you are hurting the business he does. Maybe WDF should investigate Damian...probably won't find much of anything but would be nice to know why you upset him so much.

MrDeiz

thx for having a war on FL

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Martin Sparrow

So basicly you just did admit working with two hats, right?

And you had a loss of $50,698


Now I ain't a fucking genious.
Like say Einstein, or as matter of fact any other mathematician.

I do math on what I earn and pay.


However you don't seem to mind and just wave away a loss of 50K like it's nothing.

And yet you beg for donations.

Something doesn't add up here Robert. ;-)





BUT HEY!

BENEFIT OF DOUBT!


Just tell us:
What sites did you bring down in over more than two years?
Just let us in on one sneak peak buddy!

Don't come with lists of small micro blogs.
We want to see results in large filelockers taken down!!!

DamianJ

Because he achieves nothing, yet still asks for money. Sorry you didn't understand. My point was if he had actually achieved something beyond shutting down some lockers no one had heard of, people might give him more money. The failure of the project suggests he should give it up and stop asking for money to achieve nothing worth talking about.

HTH.

AdultKing

You'll find all of the closures we have publicly announced documented in this thread and at http://stopfilelockers.com

As for you Damian, don't you think Oron, Hotfile, Netload, Rapidgator and File Factory were once small file lockers ? Are you really so thick, so completely stupid, that you do not realise that cutting off the small guys when they are just starting prevents them from becoming much bigger problems ?

Sorry, that question was purely rhetorical. It's patently obvious that there's something missing in your cognitive processes.

AdultKing

What do you even mean by that ? Perhaps phrase your questions in a way that ordinary English speaking people can understand.

Yes.


That goes without saying.

Einstein was a theoretical physicist, not a mathematician.

You mean what thieves, pirates and scammers pay you to host their illegal sites ?


Are you really so stupid as to think that anyone could be happy about running a $50k loss ? Of course not - but there are times in life where you put principal ahead of self interest. However given that you provide hosting to pirates, scammers and thieves I would expect that you have no concept of "the greater good".

We don't beg, we ask. Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head - also the people who do donate do so because scum like you exist helping the pirates, thieves and scammers.

You haven't read this thread at all have you ?


Read the thread and refer to Stop File Lockers website here http://stopfilelockers.com

His Infernal Majesty

He was pretty instrumental in removing Paypal from just about every file locker that has piracy as its core business. That itself continues to be a big deal, as is his pressure on the credit card companies. If you want to join a file locker today you have to give your credit card to some shady company processing through a shady bank. This was the driving change of his project.

I think his success to date is about what is to be expected. Like I said, it is a long and slow process. It's also a fight no one else wants to take up. He certainly doesn't stop anyone else from doing it "better".

Sure, it would be nice to storm the beaches and have instant recognizable success, but that is just not reality. It is an organized criminal enterprise than spans different countries and does whatever it can to hide its tracks. Only by bringing light on it will anything change. That is all anyone can do now.

Three.Thousand

still not a hater of this project, as i can not see what the negative is even if there is no positive. sure, the negative can be donations being a waste, but thats each and every persons choice and math to add up for their finances and crunch the numbers to see if they think it is helping their site. "donate once, shame on you, donate twice, shame on me".

My question though, whats the difference between a tiny file locker and a big one?
they are all the same, except amount of money flowing, and amount of traffic flowing.
amount of money is not an illegal thing in itself, amount of traffic is not illegal either.

what else is so different that make them untouchable after 2 years?


keep on keeping on!

8pt-buck

Detrimental accusations against his company which could raise costly legal action if erroneous.

lucas131

sir, math, is not your born language isnt it?

DamianJ

When you PROVE you were responsible, I might say well done. But you never have. Wonder why?

But go ahead with the name calling, big man. It's MILES easier to call someone names than it is to prove that these donations are actually achieving anything, isn't it.

DamianJ

Yet he has provided no proof of this.

Makes you think, doesn't it.

DamianJ

beg
bɛg/
verb
1.
ask someone earnestly or humbly for something.
"he begged his fellow passengers for help"

2.
ask for food or money as charity.

Unarguably, you are begging.

His Infernal Majesty

How or why would he need to show US proof of this?

It was fairly clear, especially after Paypal was stonewalling every webmaster I know, that the start of AdultKing's initiative finally got them to pull their processing. Even the pirates know this, which is what caused the backlash from them.

But your mind is made up, I suppose. Good day, sir.

AdultKing

Yeah, actually your pattern throughout this whole thread really makes me wonder, because everyone else who has acted like you do was found to be involved with pirates.

Damian, what is it that you actually do ? (besides spend inordinate amounts of time on GFY ?)

I have a couple of questions for you.

1. Have you ever been involved with piracy ?
2. Have you ever worked for a company that was involved with piracy ?
3. Do you profit, directly or indirectly from piracy or from companies associated with piracy ?

AdultKing

This is a really good question. Most smaller players will either use Paypal, Skrill (Moneybookers) or Payza or alternatively have just one or two merchant accounts.

The difference is that big file lockers have endless supplies of merchant accounts and shutting them down is a very long process. The credit card associations Visa and Mastercard make shutting down a single merchant account a herculean task, so repeating this over and over again for a large file locker with many merchant accounts, many acquirers, hidden billing relationships (i.e.: acquirer thinks it's processing for a software company when it's really processing for a file locker) makes the whole process a long game.

With Paypal, Payza and Moneybookers (Skrill) it's different because they have complete control over their system and can instantly terminate accounts. I have a close working relationship with all three of these P2P processors so shutting accounts down takes a day, whereas it takes weeks or sometimes more than a month to shut a single merchant account down - if you can identify and shut it down at all.

DamianJ

Hehe. It's so cute you think anyone that thinks you are pointless, rude ineffective and have failed is a pirate.

No, I am not involved I piracy, I do not profit from piracy and I don't work for any companies involved In piracy.

I am a marketing consultant and have worked with playboy, epoch, hustler, kink, lady Sonia, invited to speak at Vegas, Amsterdam London. Etc. not seen you at any conferences.

And most telling, not seen a single not of evidence that you are responsible for any of the closures you claim.

Why can't you post the proof...oh yeah...

You need to remember bobby, some people see you for what you are. That doesn't mean they are a pirate. It just means they are not stupid.

Now, explain all those allegations about you being involved in cp. where there's smoke...

Keep begging for money from desperate people. It's a smart business model. "Give me money, I will achieve nothing". Nice work if you can get it.

DamianJ

Because he is begging for money to continue his ineffective and pointless business.

Normally people need to demonstrate a return on investment. He posts a list of file lockers no one has heard of, and claims to have closed them. If he had proof he had closed them down, then maybe he'd get more money. I'm a marketing consultant. I'm trying to help him!

AdultKing

There are more than half a dozen big name companies who have access to our back end collaboration system and see what we do every day. Most of the other anti-piracy people are there too along with some members of this forum.

I don't need to prove anything and there's nothing that I could say which would change your mind anyway. For some reason you have an issue with the fight against piracy, I don't know what it is, I don't really care. So you just go on hating and I'll keep on doing what I've been doing for two years - which is shutting down the payment processing of pirates.

DWB

Just sent you some money, Robert. Been really busy, hope all is well. Thanks again.

Seen it with my own eyes.

I'm guessing he's either a massive pirate (first guess) or the world's biggest freeloader. Wouldn't be surprised at all if that is how he actually makes his living. The more you do, the more difficult all you guys make it for pirates, the more irritated and butt-hurt he gets. No one, and I mean NO ONE, would put in that much energy worrying about another man's business, for two years straight, if it did not directly affect him. Well, that or he has serious stalking tendencies / psychotic issues and just can't help himself. One or the other. He's bad news either way.

AdultKing

Pirates, especially some of the larger piracy sites, believe that they are safer on a ccTLD than a .com .net or .org.

We're going to change that thinking in a big way very soon.

Stay tuned for more on this.

DamianJ

Oh, the things I could *guess* you do in that underage sex haven of Thailand...but I won't. Because insinuations meant to get around the GFY rules are just cunty, right?

It's astonishing you can't imagine a world where someone thinks that someone doing something pointless is pointless without them either being a pirate or a freeloader. It's funny. Shall I send you my receipts for my payments to spotify, amazon, and netflix? No need to be a pirate today, content is so cheap.

Added to which, if I *was* a pirate, I'd just get everything from torrents or usenet, that's free. No need to pay a file locker.

xxx

DamianJ

You don't "need" to. But if you did, I imagine you wouldn't need to beg so much as people would be really happy to pay you. It's about transparency. Prove the efficacy of your work = get more donations.

And there's lots you could do that would change my mind. Proof that you shut down those couple of big name lockers you claim would be a good start. Emails, with headers, from the payment processors saying "Thanks to you bobby, these are now shut down" etc.

Food for thought, anyway.

You have two choices, post proof and get more money, or post name calling aggressive rants and put people off donating to you. Your choice.

AdultKing

As I have said, there are several very big companies who have 100% access to our collaboration systems, some of the best known names in Adult copyright enforcement are there - who participate in and see what we do every day. There are also trusted people on this forum who have access.

We do a hell of a lot more than we talk about on the forums.

What you want me to do is post you information that's beneficial to pirates and I won't do that. I feel no need to satisfy your need for information which the people who matter have access to anyway. You won't get access because you're untrustworthy. You have been against this project from day one and there is a reason why.

It's rather sad that your self proclaimed claim to fame is driving people off the forum.

However, the thread needs a little colour, so you feel free to continue to troll with your pathetic drivel. A grown man as whiny as you are is quite the spectacle.

Drunkdead

Takes one to know one ...BTW , all the best with the donations .

donnyt81

This thread is just hilarious!

One dumb guy hunting some small blogs and their PayPal accounts and others donating to it... What about all the cases which have been escalating like RapidGator or Depositfiles? Just fucking around without any result :D

AdultKing

Typical pirate response.

Why don't you educate yourself ?

http://stopfilelockers.com/category/sites-killed/

Fat Panda

Keep up the good work AK!

Its time to go nuclear and these motherfucking adult ad networks that willfully conspire with tube sites to monetize stolen content. Go straight to VISA/MC, banks, etc. Shut these parasites down!

Fuck even get the US Justice Dept involved, FBI, Homeland Security, etc!

Profits of Doom

I have zero interest in getting involved in any pissing matches, but why exactly are you taking credit for Hotfile closing down? You didn't have anything to do with that, the MPAA lawsuit forced Hotfile to close down http://www.geek.com/news/hotfile-shu...llion-1578852/

In fact there are quite a few file lockers on there that you had nothing to do with closing down...

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AdultKing

Actually you're incorrect, we were involved in the shut down of Hotfile. We were directly responsible for Hotfile losing Paypal - something the MPAA and RIAA had been trying to do for years.

The eventual closure of Hotfile was a result of long running court action by the MPAA

That list is a list of sites killed, several different organisations are involved in fighting piracy, everyone plays their part.

When we publish terminations or payment processing shutdowns we say

http://stopfilelockers.com/more-file...nt-processing/

Profits of Doom

I'm sorry, but that just isn't true. Hotfile lost Paypal accounts on a regular basis. Whenever they lost an account they would just open a new one, and whenever you clicked the Paypal button on their site they were able to mask it so Paypal couldn't determine it was coming from Hotfile. They also had a shitload of resellers and alternative payment processors. They closed because of an 80 million dollar settlement with the MPAA, not because they lost a single Paypal account. You honestly think a Paypal account had anything to do with it, like they would have stayed open if they hadn't lost that account?

Again not trying to bust your balls, but I can remember them getting Paypal accounts closed back in late 2007. I can't remember if it was Eric from Remove Your Content or someone else on here who made life hell for them for a while...

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AdultKing

Hotfile had the same Paypal account for the entire time they were operating. There was a dedicated relationship manager assigned to Hotfile by Paypal.

Hotfile lost a lot of money when they lost access to that Paypal account. The MPAA case finally killed them but it was our project that resulted in them losing Paypal.

You are thinking of another file locker, it could be one of several which used 'phoenix' Paypal accounts.

Edit: If you read through the thread you will see where we foreshadowed that big news on Hotfile was coming prior to them losing the Paypal account. In any case it's all history now. We continue to be a thorn in the side of file lockers and people like you continue to post in a thread about an effort you say is having no effect. If it's having no effect, why bother posting ?

Profits of Doom

First of all that's just not true, I know as a fact Hotfile lost several Paypal accounts over the years. They might have eventually set up a lasting account and established a relationship with Paypal in the last few years, that I honestly don't know as I quit paying attention to the whole mess after I was no longer involved with sending out DMCA requests. But prior to that they lost several accounts and bounced around different payment processors.

Second don't fucking lump me in with anyone else, I never said what you were doing wasn't effective. I'm not following your efforts so I couldn't tell you either fucking way. I just took issue with you trying to take credit for something that you didn't have anything to do with. Paypal had nothing to do with Hotfile being shut down, they knew they were fucked if the case went to court so they cut their losses and settled with the MPAA on the eve of the court case.

I'm sorry, but the whole "you disagree with me, so you must be a pirate" bullshit just isn't gonna cut it here. Ask around a bit, I was involved with going after file lockers and file locker forums long before you started this venture. At one point back in '06-'07 when pornbb was the biggest file locker forum online I helped take down over 90% of all the links on that site, after Eric from Remove Your Content gave me a script he was using to strip out the content URL's. I finally threw my hands up in the air and gave up a few years ago, but I followed the Hotfile case closely as they were one of the first to pay uploaders to upload content and were a particular thorn in my side...

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The gravy train is over.

Captain Kawaii

Dude, you have crakrevenue in your sig. Case closed.

AdultKing

So you know or you don't know. Sorry, I didn't realise you dealt directly with Paypal as I do.

If you're not following our work then how would you have any idea about what we have been involved in ? Quite simply the facts are this. The MPAA and RIAA lobbied Paypal for years to shut down the Hotfile Paypal account and each time Paypal (quite rightly) pushed back because they didn't come up with the evidence required to establish their case. We worked directly with the Head of Brand Risk Management at Paypal and provided the right amount and quality of evidence to get Paypal to review and then terminate Hotfile. Those are the facts.


Actually Hotfile was found in court by summary judgement to be vicariously liable for it's users and also found Anton Titov personally liable - so Hotfile didn't just give up on the eve of a court case as you claim. Hotfile caved when additional evidence came to light prior to the further running of the case by a jury trial.

If you're going to cite facts, make sure you know the facts - which clearly you don't.

That's great. It's a shame you ran out of puff.

AdultKing

Please point me to the gravy train ? I'd like a piece of it.

In case you had missed it the few hundred times it's been repeated in this thread, I volunteer my time and don't see a cent. In fact I have contributed my own funds, a substantial amount of money, into this project.

Any of you who disagree with this project, feel free to keep posting. The hysteria of people who on one hand whine about tubes and piracy destroying the industry but then slam a project trying to shut off piracy is a phenomena that confounds common sense.

AdultKing

Today marks two years since this thread began.

In that time we have shut down more one or more forms of payment processing for more than 1400 sites. We have shut down the payment processing for 734 file lockers and we have seen more than 700 blogs, forums and file lockers killed completely either because they could not fund their site any longer or they grew tired of the relentless pressure we put on them.

When we began we had identified around 1500 file lockers big and small and now that number has dwindled to 697.

Our biggest challenge to date has been bringing down the big file lockers - however while they are not down yet we have impacted their payment processing on numerous occasions.

Going forward we're going to put more work into pressuring the card associations to take a more aggressive stance against piracy sites and as a result a new blog called http://creditcardpiracy.com has been launched.

This work has been expensive, I'd like to thank all of our contributors of financial support and I'd especially like to thank those dedicated people who have been involved in our collaboration systems to keep taking the fight right up to the pirates.

For those of you who like to whine, complain, sledge and otherwise belittle our efforts I'd like to say a big thank you for keeping this thread colourful and showing us why what we do is worthwhile.

adultmobile

Card companies will not care unless such one page one post blog will be the topic of newspapers home pages.

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