FoxtrotAlpha

They will host many illegal things, mostly due to them not really caring about DMCA and what not. The majority of the illegal services they host, though, are private so are difficult to prove the existence of.

Like my example of uploaders automating the process on leaseweb servers, there's not really a way to find the IPs of those servers as they have no public interface. But I know for a fact leaseweb hosts most of them in the world, probably with OVH being second.

I assume leaseweb have a number of upstream providers, being that they're rather large.
Probably telia, level3, etc. They have their own DC, they're huge, lol.

krylon

bump for AK.

also, I think leaseweb doesent really seem to care about DMCA, since it is a US Law, so, they could care less about any DMCA notices they get.

AdultKing

I just wanted to chime in to say I've been reading everything and taking all points raised on board. We're not doing much over the weekend, but will be back on Monday.

His Infernal Majesty

That is fine, but there are dutch laws that are very similar which they also skirt. They only request you to send one when you send a DMCA so they can drag their feet. Even if you start out with the proper takedown notice, then they can't figure out the IP, or you emailed the wrong place (whichever one you email first is always the wrong one), etc.

They also have a US entity and servers in the US as discovered from the MegaUpload raid. And using American companies to collect money.

JOKER

Some general input from my side on the progress of all this:

This whole effort / campaign has now entered what I like to call the long-haul, structured phase.

Meaning:

1.: the collaboration task handling system is in the last testing-phase and is ready for roll-out sometime next week.

2.: Volunteers can then handle tasks assigned to them and actively help combat commercial internet piracy.

3.: AdultKing and the Copy Control Team can concentrate on their most pressing tasks and keep making this all happening and most important happening successfully.

What this also means is that AdultKing is busy managing the Copy Control Team and will be available less to the public so he does not burn out and this campaign can be maintained for the long-haul.

So don't expect him to answer ICQ's at 3 AM Aussie-time anymore - I'm sure he would love to do that, but to not burn out and to keep going strong longterm, he just can't afford to do that any longer.

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AdultKing

Thanks Joker! Everything you say is absolutely correct.

Meanwhile in Uploader land, there are unhappy affiliates. They were so close, they received their much anticipated and patiently waited for payment, then zap, Paypal freeze the affiliate payment sent to the affiliate.



How frustrating it must be as an uploading affiliate to get paid then not be able to access that payment due to a Paypal hold (and possible reversal).

AGS-17

Hey Adult King, I wanted to ask you a question regarding FilePost.

It seems that they began blocking incoming hits from FilesTube with your help and that is a start, BUT meanwhile they are happily accepting traffic from likes of: planetsuzy.org, porn-w.org, extreme-board.com and so on, which begs the question if they are just bullshitting you by sacrificing a little traffic so you get off their backs and not attack their PayPal account??

AdultKing

We haven't begun discussions with Alex from FilesPost yet. We expect to do so this week. We have been busy with structural issues and he has been away.

Also Copy Control, through it's collaboration or staff, does not get to choose which Paypal site to "attack" as you put it. All we do is make refer offending sites to Paypal and if necessary other processors. We also make referrals to the authorities where necessary.

It's up to Paypal to decide who they terminate and who they do not. Also, the flow of information to Paypal is one way, we report to them, they do not share customer information with us. I would assume, that like us, some sites take longer for Paypal to investigate than others.

None of this is a simple process and it takes checking, rechecking and re-verification. It can take time for some results to be seen.

Further to this, we do not reveal which sites we are investigating until after we see action as having been taken.

papill0n

good on ya mate. I have respect for what youre doing here

Slappin Fish

What uploaders are also saying is even though their paypal is limited and the reported file deleted, the accounts are still active and all other files can be downloaded and paid by surfers via paypal as per usual

AdultKing

There is a bit of a process that goes on between limitation then termination. Sometimes it takes time, this is for a wide range if reasons.

We have found a whole lot of these sites are now using dormant Paypal accounts to avoid limitation or termination, unfortunately we need to keep reviewing every site continuously.

This is a long term effort, nothing will happen overnight.

Slappin Fish

I get you but the worry here is file lockers that are compliant aren't following through on this condition :

"merchants must prohibit users form uploading files involving illegal content and indicate that users involved in such file transfers will be permanently removed from their service"

not a top priority but maybe something you can bring up with paypal at some point.

Paul Markham

reading this http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/...ker-copyright/ it's clear that a change in the law has to come. DMCA protects Phatservers from anything illegal that I might do on their servers. This comes from the Betamax case years ago. Yet piracy sites aren't the manufacturers or only the hosting service alone.

They distribute content via their servers and charge for the download. This IMO makes the publishers and a storage facility. The law needs to define this clearly. If you sell access to illegal goods, you're responsible. The responsibility needs to be appropriate. A shop selling one stolen watch among 100s of legit watches is an over sight. A shop selling 99 stolen watches out of 100 is a fencing operation.

DMCA clearly states, as it should, that the hosting service isn't responsible for the uploaded content. The processors Terms and Conditions must clearly state the sellers have to be responsible for what they sell.

SOPA was a sledge Hammer to crack a walnut. Remove the funding and the beast starves. Not to death, but it's reduced to kids sharing.

Interesting paragraph in the article.

Anyone remember a certain Tube site owner who was very unclear on this and needed to consult his lawyer?

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DWB

SOPA 2 is getting ready to be rammed through quietly. This time it's called IPAA. Hardly making any press at all. They have not even made it public yet and plan to vote on it THE SAME DAY it's made public, with no time to read it.

FoxtrotAlpha

Let's report all these filehosts & ecatel to ICE so they can seize their domains like the many others they somehow magically seized without going to court.

AdultKing

There seems to be anecdotal evidence on several forums that recipients of affiliate payments from certain sites are finding their own Paypal accounts limited.

If anyone else has any news on this I'd appreciate hearing it as Paypal don't tell us stuff like that.

FoxtrotAlpha

Haven't seen any major 'chatter' about it, maybe it was just a couple of people who got unlucky? They're certainly not limiting *every* uploader's paypal because we'd definitely know about that from the usual forums they gather on.

Slappin Fish

That's what I have been saying, sounds like good news but it isn't. Affiliate's paypal account is limited.. but the Filelocker's isn't.

Uploaders will just set up a Webmoney account to receive payments..still raking up sales thanks to Paypal.

Nautilus

Both filefactory and sendspace are no longer offering paypal for payments.

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Keep it up!

AdultKing

This clearly isn't happening this way as plenty of file lockers have had their accounts irrevocably terminated. The only reason most of them are still processing is that they are using other dormant Paypal accounts.

Sooner or later the more stubborn file lockers will run out of Paypal accounts to use.

Dirty F

I started a filelocker offering Paypal payments a few days ago. I never had a site grow so quick! It's insane! It's growing with about 20k hits a day. The word spreads quick. I have to thank Adultking really. I would never even have bothered normally.

Klen

How much do you pay per 1000 downloads

adultmobile

They could do a law so if more than 50% of downloads is made on clearly illegal files, then should take remedy or they're responsible. It is however difficult to know what's being downloaded, only the admin panel of file locker reports this, and that can be hidden or faked. Without access to statistics from filelocker, the only tools available are google, bing and other file searching tools, but give not an idea of the % of those files over total files, and most importantly, the number of downloads of those files over total. In fact it should be considered the % of downloads and not % of files, otherwise the file locker it could upload thousands of legitimate files no one downloads, to compensate hundreds of pirate files millions of people downloads: "ok I have 500 pirate files but other 5000 legitimate, is just 10%".

The only practical way would be to make it mandatory the use of a centralized files index for all the file lockers, that lists files, its uploaders, downloaders, hits, then it redirects and assigns to every filehoster for their servers and billing needs.. it should partecipate to this also dropbox, google drive or so, and whoever does not use this system would be not acceptable by any biller. It should be automatic that for every participating file locker, each day or week the top files by hits making sort of 50% of traffic should be monitored, if those being mostly pirated and illegal stuff, warning given. Billers should be all alerted (by visa and mastercard directly) that any file locker not participating to this should not be accepted, or biller is responsible directly for what's billed. This is obviously idealistic sci-fi, but here just to talk.

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DTK

seems that's what certain whiners can't understand

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Paul Markham

Yes the law needs to be workable and sensible. Still a shop offering content for sales that's 99% stolen is committing a crime.

Not surprised.

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Slappin Fish

This is happening with filelocker that have agreed to open their backend to paypal (e.g Netload).

tellmeyes

wow. Sendspace is quite old service, and seemed to be pretty legit, on par with dropbox and etc. never ran affiliate program or offered any incentives to its users for downloads. I dont think AK and Co ever reported it to PP. Looks to me like PP is dropping file-sharing business as whole

19teenporn

That would be soooo nice...

tellmeyes

I dont believe loosing PayPal causes critical damages to the filelockers, as long as they are able to secure CC merchant accounts(all big ones can do that). Without PP they only loose just some part of moneyflow only(approx 20%).

VISA/MC are not that easy to deal as PayPal, which is US based company. Also they have to honor acquiring bank residential country laws. I remember dutch bank getting sued for refusing to process some specific adult niches, and in fact forced to accept these client as a result. Also, for example, a Cyprus or Spanish or whatever bank, doesnt give a shit about DMCA, which is US law, as long as CB rate is OK. You will have to collect evidences according to their local copyright laws.
And anyway dealing with VISA/MC/Banks may take months or even years, it is very slow process.

RegUser

"I dont believe loosing PayPal causes critical damages to the filelockers, as long as they are able to secure CC merchant accounts(all big ones can do that). Without PP they only loose just some part of moneyflow only(approx 20%)."
Not true at all. Most new mushroom crop of file lockers is being made by tom dicks and harrys of 3rd world and other than pp, there is no alternative for them.
Most clients trust pp to pay as well, how many would trust merchant account of an unknown company to give away their credit card details.
Loss of PP is what made this thread so powerful

AdultKing

Some file lockers claim that Paypal accounts for up to 75% of their subscriptions.

On Sendspace, we had no involvement there, they weren't even in our targeting lists.

Paul Markham

Back to the top.

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Ramirez

Bumping this thread with something i found on a guy's signature:

Robbie

BULLSHIT.

If I just so much as write the word "prostitute" or "force" or a long list of other words that Visa and Mastercard have "banned" they will drop your ass so fast it makes your head spin.

I've had that happen several times and had to re-write certain text and get re-reviewed to get processing back with them. And when you break their tos...they don't give a damn about your countries "acquiring bank laws"

When Visa or Mastercard shut you down...your bank can't do shit about it.

And if/when Visa and Mastercard decide to shut down processing for pirate sites...they will be GONE.

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adultmobile

I think it was the biller (such as epoch, ccbill, etc.) that reviewed this, not Visa / MC people. I have the impression VISA / MC delegates this review to lots middlemens, and have no clue themselves.

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To the TOP!

Robbie

MC uses a bot to seach for keywords and terms. And they are real fucking anal about it.

They had shut off processing on me with my Zombaio account because they found where I had written "Then he FORCED Claudia Marie to orgasm"

Their bot saw the word "forced" and flagged me. They didn't bother to take the word in context at all. If you use the word "forced" in ANY way...MC will shut down processing.

The third party biller (Zombaio) didn't even know that MC had done that until I contacted them over some people writing me at support wondering why they suddenly couldn't use their MasterCard to join.

Zombaio had to get with MC after I removed the word "forced" and changed it to "made her have an orgasm" and then they re-reviewed the site (meaning they ran the bot over it again) and turned my processing back on.

So make no mistake..it's NOT the third party billers. It's the credit card companies themselves...and when they shut you down, you are screwed.

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19teenporn

Every fuckng day, a new clueless bitch has to appear in this thread...

Dirty F

80k visitors to my filelocker today. About 50 new uploaders. Not bad
I love this shit. Easiest money ever thanks to Adultking!!

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Hmmm, intereating...

80k, times 5 popunders per vissit...

Nice money...

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19teenporn

Bump for 80k visits

Axeman

Bump for the good fight

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glowlite

Agreed ..................

Triple-A

keep it up... getting pissed off with rapidgator ignoring my requests to delete a prolific poster of my stuff re uploading time and time again. why do they bother writing their bullshit TOS, something has to be done.

fucking filelockers