MrDeiz

i'm jerking off to this thread

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DWB

Which one do you work for?

Only butt hurt in this thread comes from the anonymous ones crying about what AK is doing.

DWB

He's just another clown trying to take your eye off the ball.

You shouldn't even reply to anonymous posters. It is obvious what they are trying to do and what their role is.

notjoe

Yup, You've guessed it. I am anon. I've been on this site, lurking for 10 years, because I knew that this threat would come up and I'd start posting about the stupidity of it. My 5000+ posts were merely a distraction.

Way to go, Dan-o. Go back to sucking some ladyboy cock.

AdultKing

You just confirmed everything I thought about you, you see the attack on infringing file lockers as a threat, most possibly because it impacts you.

The only people who have shared your point of view turned out to be owners of file lockers or profiting from piracy in some other way.

notjoe

That is a great republication mentality you have there. Think about it, What you're saying is that either I am with you or I am against you. Either I agree 100% with your actions or I am a pirate myself. Have you considered running for office? Are you going to tell me that if a woman gets pregnant after being rape that it wasn't rape?

Isn't it possible that a person can be against piracy and still question your motives, tactics, ethics, and morality? You sir, become more and more of an idiot as time passes by. You've stumbled on numerous points I've disputed with you. You've done things you've said you wouldn't. Your word means shit.

AdultKing

Name them.

notjoe

First answer my question. IF I question your motives, tactics, ethics, and morality, how exactly does that make me Pro-Piracy and/or against Anti-Piracy?

Once again, You should be a republican spokesman. You'd fit right in with their whole "Either you're with us or you're against us" mentality. There is no room for discussion.

AdultKing

You described the attack on file lockers as a threat, there was no ambiguity there.

Throughout this whole thread you have not been able to clearly debate your position and you have resorted to distortions of the truth to further your stance against this project.

You've said we target legitimate sites. We don't.

You've complained that we have shut off payment processing for infringing image hosts.

You've claimed sites were legitimate when they weren't.

Your attitude through this thread has been the same, you won't clearly state your position on any matter, you simply pick through portions of the thread complaining that this or that is happening without presenting an alternative viewpoint.

The only people threatened by our work are those benefiting from piracy, you described our project as a threat. If you mean't something else then explain it.

notjoe

I never vouched for any site and said it was legitimate. What I have done is questioned your classification on whether a site was legitimate. There was the link shortening site, which, never appeared to be doing anything wrong and might have had rogue affiliates (don't we all?). To me, it looked above the board but then again I never bothered to follow the paper trail.

I've always said my position on piracy. I am against it. I challenge you to find an instance of me saying I support or condone piracy, such as you claim I do.

Did I describe your project as a threat? Maybe I defined the file lockers as a threat...or maybe it was the tube sites. If you take the time to re-read my post I never said your project was a threat. I never made any reference to what the threat is/was other than there being a threat.

Finally, I distinctly remember calling someone out. It was a guy who ran two sites. One was a file locker and the other was a paypal type site. He swore up and down that he didn't have an affiliate program. It was a different way of doing things but what he did have was essentially an affiliate program...just not your standard time. I told him he deserved to lose his processing on the paypal like site. It's amazing how soon your forget that. Might as well add selective memory along with your selective reading.

I suggest you re-check your facts and my words before you come here and try to make me out to be something I'm not.

Fact is, You're on your high horse. Am I going to question those things I mentioned originally? Absolutely. Does that make me pro-piracy? Absolutely not. An informed person will question things, even those he might believe in, to either prove or disprove his belief in what it is he is questioning. It's unfortunate you're not enlightened enough to grasp that concept.

BlackAndBlue

With what has to be Millions of illegally distributed, copyrighted works taken off the 600 file share sites that Stop File Lockers has forced into either compliance or extinction in less than a year, I believe AK and everyone in his group HAS the right to be "on a high horse".

notjoe

And I'm sure the MPAA and RIAA are extremely grateful for all his help!

DamianJ

It's standard on gfy that anyone who questions any alleged anti piracy anything is by default pro piracy

Then they insinuate you profit from piracy, because if you doubt them, it's the only way they can fathom your motives

DWB

If the shoe fits...

I'm sure you've just been waiting around for 10 years waiting for this exact moment. Sounds legit.

Why would you even care to question his motives if what he does is not impacting your business?

Unless he is affecting your business, you wouldn't care and this wouldn't concern you. So he's either affecting your business or you're just a hater. No one would waste their time otherwise.

Words re-checked and yep.... you walk and quack like a duck.

Again, why do you care who does what unless your business is involved?

Bitter are we?

You sound a lot like DamianJ the more you post. Hmmmmmmm.

You've been coming in and out of this thread with hate since it started. Only difference is AK has been moving forward and getting shit done while you are singing the same old tune as every pirate shit stain before you. That would mean the lowest common denominator is, what?

If that is meant to be an insult... Seriously...

notjoe

Sounds about right. God forbid that we have a mind and use it rather than take everything at face value.

notjoe

Why would I care if a woman gets raped unless it's someone I know?

Why would I case about animal abuse unless I saw it first hand?

Did you read my words with or without a ladyboy cock in your face?

So what you're saying and have been saying is that unless something directly affects someone that they can't care about something?


He sounds like a great guy!

You have yet to show me where I said I condone piracy.


If I stoop to your mentality (and believe me, its hard)... You living in Thailand means you must love sucking ladyboy cock. I mean, why would anyone be willing to move to thailand unless they loved sucking ladyboy cock. There is absolutely no other reason to move to thailand than to suck ladyboy cock. So, How have you enjoyed sucking ladyboy cock for all these years?

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Anyways, I'm off to sleep. I got a busy day launching another 600 file locker sites to keep you guys busy *eye roll*
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Robbie

What's the point of trolling a man who is actually combating piracy and being successful?
Lot's of people have a "mind and use it". The majority of them do stupid shit.

If you think harassing a guy on a message board who IS doing something with his mind (I don't consider you trolling him to be in the same category) is actually productive in any way, then I'm baffled.

What do you do in this business anyway that leads you to your conclusions? I looked at your website you have listed as your home page...and it's empty.

For those of us with skin in the game this is important stuff. Perhaps you just don't understand what's at stake. What do you do in this biz that makes you think that fighting piracy and succeeding is "bad"?

EDIT: Also reading your last reply to DWB where you constantly talk about him "sucking ladyboy cock" leads me to believe that you are a very narrow minded individual who seems prejudiced against others and full of hate.

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Three.Thousand

its simple. No content producer can think what AK is doing is negative, none what so ever.

those who think what he is doing is negative, or think its useless are either pirates or not content producers or just trolling.

I've said it multiple times, bring me one content producer who is fine with piracy, ill take his stuff any day as filler/or give away for free.

PiracyPitbull

This (unless of course you run pirate sites in addition)

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RegUser

I suspected right from the begining that this whole operation was sponsered by tube sites mofos who saw upload monkeys running away with pieces their loot.
The fact that image sites and debrid sites are being targetted but not tube sites make it pretty clear what a charade this whole bloody thing is.
A pirate attacking other pirates is not exactly an anti pirate.

johnnyloadproductions

Do tube sites have entire sites cataloged? No.

There are several file locker sites that have every scene indexed and ready to download. If I can get a $15 premium file locker account and get multiple site rips for that, why should I pay $30 for just one site and then another $30 for another. Even if you get a network site membership getting all the scenes is a lot more laborious than just a file locker download with a download manager.

No matter how you look at it, this is a net positive for content producers.

AdultKing

You're wrong, this is a distortion of the truth.

This is also a complete distortion of the truth. We started with file lockers and the eco system that supports them. We did not call this thread "Killing off Tubes"

In any case, now that we have actually started collecting hard data on infringement it turns out that the large Tubes aren't any where near the scale of file lockers, not even close.

My decision to begin with file lockers is vindicated as file lockers and the eco system that supports them account for more piracy than any other, closely followed by torrents.

signupdamnit

I may or may not agree with the observations on tube sites but you know what? Everyone is a fucking critic. AdultKing is doing a damn fine job killing off file lockers and that's great. If you want to get the tubes then follow his model and go after the tubes. There's nothing stopping you. But leave the guy alone and let him work.

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dig420

so if that's a distortion of the truth, then what is the truth? Do you work for a company or work at the behest of a company that operates tube sites?

notjoe, there's at least one other reason why someone would live in Thailand and at any rate this DWB guy seems to hang out in this thread 24/7, which should pretty much tell you that he's a strange cat who doesn't really seem to have anything else to occupy his time. He's desperately searching for some kind of identity here.

AdultKing

No. The answer is unqualified no.

notjoe

Remember when xvideos went offline due to RCN getting hacked? People were reporting a 20% jump in sales because of it. The impact of a single tube site being offline was felt by most in this industry. 600 file lockers offline and the impact to this industry is minimal if any at all.

You're doing a great job at fighting for such companies as Microsoft, Apple, EA Games, and of course, MPAA and RIAA. If you think for a minute that file lockers are more harmful to the adult industry than a tube site is...You're living in a distorted reality. However, I can't blame you for doing what you're doing...The real money is in sponsorship by those companies I've listed. Good luck with the transition from adult to mainstream with Cold Copy.

notjoe

Sounds about right for DWB. In a way, he does work for tube site owners. He has accepted donations from Manwin hasn't here? Talk about a HUGE conflict of interest. "Hey, I own several properties that violate copyright violations but hey, let me make a donation to your anti-piracy group". I'm sure Manwin's donation to AK has bought them a little friendship

dig420

Yeah. I have nothing in particular against tube site owners because business is business and like I said earlier, you can rage about it all you want but that's not going to keep you from going broke. Better get with the fucking program. That said, taking money from tubes to shut down fileshares? That's a fucking joke. It's like taking money from the Medellin cartel and using it to fund your neighborhood watch program

AdultKing

You're confusing two arguments that are entirely unrelated.

I've never said that tubes do not account for a lot of traffic, they do. If substantial tube sites go down there is less availability of easy to watch, free porn. However many large tubes also license or own a significant amount of content, or have sponsor uploaded content.

However on the other hand traffic to sites connected to the file locker eco system is equally large, and virtually all of the content contained on them is infringing.

If you believe that tubes are a larger problem than the file locker eco system, can you explain why you believe this and how you came to that conclusion ?

We chose to start with file lockers and we're now expanding our efforts.


Again you keep pushing these fallacious arguments. You have chosen to adopt a viewpoint that tubes are worse than the file locker eco system either because you do not understand the extent of piracy within that eco system or that you find it self serving to diminish the problem that file lockers cause.

Some of the most persistent pirates we have tracked use file lockers to store their infringing content, much of the content uploaded to tubes originates on file lockers, a common source of content for uploaders to file lockers comes from torrents or the creation of memberships on pay sites whereupon the site is ripped, packaged and uploaded to a file locker.

Again, it suits you to push this point of view, what you are saying is that we are unable to act independently without fear or favour. We are beholden to nobody. You can repeat your groundless accusations time and time again, they're completely untrue.

AdultKing

Are you advocating piracy as a method of generating traffic because "who cares how the traffic comes just as long as it comes" ?

Got news for you, if you're involved in making money from piracy or the traffic that piracy generates then this project will eventually catch up with you and start directly impacting on your ability to make money.

You have said before that people who deal in traffic are unhappy with our efforts. The reason is that many of those people will steal from the producers of adult content by making their content available on infringing websites and then sell back the traffic to the people they're stealing from.

Sites like PlanetSuzy.org have been stealing from rights holders and selling the traffic back to the industry for too long and they will be shut down.

notjoe

So, now you're defending tube sites. Manwin must have made an extra large donation.

But wait a minute...I thought I was pro-piracy and involved in file lockers...after all, you and your puppet, DWB, both said that I must be involved since I am questioning actions.
Either I am pro-piracy, running file lockers and/or involved in them or I don't have a clue about them. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You keep changing your position and you wonder why I question you.
So, now you're blaming File lockers for the stolen content on tube sites? Come on, I expected a better argument than that. That statement makes no sense. I mean, sure, people could archive their stolen content on a file locker...but they could archive it more easily on some hdds stored at their house. Not only would it be safer but they wouldn't have to upload it twice, once to a file locker and the other to a tube site.

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I will quote DWB. When it looks like a duck and quacks like duck....You cannot accept monies from a company who widely ignores copyright infringements and has a massive amount of stolen content on their properties while accepting donations from them to fight piracy. Technically, It could be said that you are profiting off piracy by accepting money from a company that specializes in piracy. It is what it is.

AdultKing

Nobody is defending tube sites, however you keep questioning why we started with file lockers and you don't like the answer. The file locker eco system is more problematic than tubes, the file locker eco system accounts for a far greater amount of piracy than tubes and the file locker eco system accounts for more take down notices than tubes. Therefore it was the correct place to start.



You keep making assertions in this thread you simply cannot back up.

As you seem to know better than us where the worse piracy lies, why don't you explain to us exactly how you would go about mitigating piracy ?

What would you do differently ? How would you do it ?


Our research has shown that the professional pirates will not typically store content on their own computers. There are a number of reasons for this, one being that their Internet connection is much slower than that provided by many one click upload and file locker sites, secondly that some carry out all of their activities at Internet cafes (especially true of many Thai and Indian uploaders) and do not actually store the content themselves.

More fallacious arguments. Firstly we operate independently, nobody dictates to us what to do or what to target. Secondly we don't profit from anything at all, there is no profit, far from it - we are currently operating in deficit.

As for this claimed huge treasure trove of pirate content on tubes, can you explain why tubes only account for around 5% of the DMCA notices that we see, whereas file lockers, forums and torrents account for the bulk of infringements ?

dig420

I'm advocating that you're totally in the pockets of tube sites, and that filelockers are a drop of piss in the ocean compared to one single large tubesite, that's what I'm advocating. I'm also advocating that you're about as virtuous as an Acacia patent or a lawsuit from the RIAA. That's the main reason I don't like your holier than thou tone, plus the fact that you've managed to attract every small time hanger on looking for a cause in the business. I'm also advocating that your attention whoring here is pointed toward looking for a job down the road, because I know you're not getting any donations worth a shit from here yet it seems to be so important to you to stay on the front page that you've managed to do it for what seems like a solid decade.

dig420

lol fuck off... I'm not going to go do research, but I would bet that xhamster alone sees more traffic than every filelocker in the universe. Also it's fucking insane to suggest that tube site owners store content on filelockers. They scrape that shit and if they're double extra anal retentive they would simply copy it to another drive at the same time and have that one put on a machine off the network.

AdultKing

This is what you would like people to believe, however it's not the case. There is an order of magnitude more infringement on file lockers. I have posted evidence of that in this thread.

We have tangible support from several large players in this industry, more than you realise.

It seems to me that you're mostly annoyed because we're threatening the income of those who make money from traffic derived from stolen content. Well it's time to adapt, because we are going to systematically tear the piracy related traffic industry apart.

If you want to profit from piracy then expect mitigation, litigation or law enforcement investigation.

You're right, xhamster receives more traffic than any single file locker, however it has less infringement than any file locker, by a long shot.

I have never said that tube site owners store content on file lockers, I said that the pirates do. We follow and track behaviour of many piracy operations, we know what they do, how they work. You by your own admission haven't done the research and don't know.

Continuing to post your self serving, incorrect statements will not make them true. I have posted clear evidence of infringement patterns comparing tubes and file lockers and file lockers are way in front of any tube when it comes to piracy levels.

dig420

what I actually said was that xhamster has more traffic than every filelocker COMBINED, and your weasel words about infringement are due to who your daddy is. And I could give two fucks about software pirates, which is what you seem to be basing your weasel words on rather than content produced by actual webmasters. But hey, you go on with your bad self. I'm sure you'll stay well funded by tubesites until you make filelockers unfeasible, then you'll get a nice fat job with a tube owning company. Then DWB will have to find a new cause to spend his days defending because you definitely won't be his best buddy anymore.

AdultKing

If that's what you're saying then you are totally wrong. Even if you were right, the amount of infringement we are talking about is far less than on file lockers.

Most adult content theft occurs on file lockers and torrents, that's fact. It's reflected in both the infringement reports we receive and clearly reflected in the Google Transparency report.

You don't like it because it deflects attention away from the forms of piracy that dodgy traffic sellers make money from.

I don't need a job. There is nothing any company could offer me that I do not already have. I'm not leaving Australia, I'm not going to work for anyone else, I have no interest in doing anything else but dealing with IP infringement.

dig420

I have a tube, I don't have a filelocker, so what you're doing would actually help my cause if anything. I just don't like fake crusaders in general, you guys always turn out rotten in the end.

AdultKing

Right, well I hope you don't have infringing content on that tube because if you do it's probably time to change strategy, before we get to you.

As for turning out rotten, the biggest problem the pirates face is that I cannot be bought. I find every victory we have immensely satisfying, there is nothing I can be offered that would make this effort stop, nothing any of the critics or self interested piracy advocates can say bothers me, DDoS attacks might bring down the sites every now and then but do nothing to stop the constant progress we are making.

We have only really just got started with all of this, it's been less than six months, I have a game plan mapped out over several years and it's all got to do with reducing IP infringement.

tellmeyes

Accepting donations from people that are known for copyright infrigements (AdultKing acknowledges that tubes are indeed infringing, but at lower extent comparing to filelockers) was big mistake for AK. Whatever you say, giving hand is never biten.

DWB

There are people who are on your nuts, and then there are people who are ON YOUR NUTS.

How do they taste? Hope my pubes are not getting caught in your mouth.

AdultKing

We'll unashamedly take contributions from anyone and use them to further our efforts. No contribution made to us comes with conditions and if it did I wouldn't accept it.

Regardless, contributions to this effort have fallen well short of meeting the costs of it, I've already posted a very detailed account of where our costs lay, if you're really interested go back in the thread and read it.

DWB

AK is moving forward. Anyone and everyone is free to donate as much or little as they want. The only people who have a problem with Manwin donating to the cause is other pirates. I have 15 years worth of content, send DMCAs to Manwin properties more than I would like to, believe they have done a lot of destruction to the industry, and still have zero problems with them donating. Why? Because AK is getting shit done. Almost all of the pirates who used to rip my DVDs are now out of business and offline. If Manwin paid for that, kudos to them. Mission accomplished. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

People who actually own intellectual property do not have any problems with AK, what he is doing, or how he is funded. That is a fact. Upload monkeys, tube owners, and other pirates... well, it is clear why so many of you are concerned. But don't worry, you'll all get your day. It's coming. And Manwin is probably going to help fund your demise.

notjoe

Simple. It's a lot harder to find infringing content on tube sites. Think about it. File lockers brand the content so that it is easily found and thus drives the traffic to their site. It's a lot harder to search a tube size go XYZ content than it is to search XYZ content on a file locker.. It's all about keywords, links, and exposure.

Next is the affiliate program. File lockers offer more incentive for people to spread links with clearly defined titles, tags, and explanation of what the content is vs a tube site which has "Blonde chick taking it in the Ass".

Also, the scope of file lockers is much larger. With file lockers you can pirate anything. With tube sites it is limited to video content. The ability to pirate different content doesn't mean that the download of that content surpasses a tube site which gets millions of hits per day.

When you take the above in to consideration along with the fact you've been focusing on File lockers, that would explain why more DMCA notices get noticed with file lockers than they do with tube sites.

Come on, You can't really be this stupid to ignore what is clearly visible, unless, of course, you are in the pockets of well known piracy tube sites. How much is manwin paying you to divert attention away from tube sites?

minimouse

DWEEB you actually think that manwin don't own a file share site hehehe what a joker.
if so your clueless.

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AdultKing

If, as you claim infringing content is harder to find on tube sites, then how are you so sure that tube sites are more of a problem than file lockers, torrents, forums and other piracy sites ?

Seriously, you don't think detection methods are more sophisticated than that ?

How do you know ?

We get plenty of DMCA notices relating to torrents, forums and other sites, all exceeding the number we get relating to tubes, also Google isn't focussed on one type of piracy site, look at the Google Transparency reports for tubes vs torrent trackers, tubes vs forums, tubes vs file lockers etc and you will see that tubes are the least problematic.

Do you really think that companies like Remove Your Content, Degban, Take Down Piracy and so on are just missing all the content you say is being pirated on tubes ? The fact is they all report piracy on tubes, just not to the same extent as they report to Google on file lockers, torrent sites, forums and so on.

I am not saying tubes aren't an issue, what I am saying is that they were the wrong first priority for an anti piracy effort to start with. We chose file lockers, it was the right choice.

I can understand why you would keep pushing this line however you are wrong. It's a convenient argument for you because you would like us to stop what we are doing now. You will say anything if you think it will harm our effort. Well I have news for you, it hasn't and it won't.

Which file sharing site do they own ? Enlighten us.

Three.Thousand

you are correct. but in such case i would like his content to use as filler, or just give away for free myself. but i suspect thats a no go...

Three.Thousand

the length people will go, and the justifications they have, just to watch some porn for free is amazing.

DWB

Who saying they don't? It is only logical they own traffic sources in all areas of piracy, tubes, torrents, and lockers. A company who makes so much money off of piracy is not going to stop at one form of it. And if they shut every single locker down in the universe but theirs, then so be it. Then it becomes a manageable easy target. I'd rather deal with Manwin who quickly removes content when you send a DMCA than 10,000 dick heads like you who don't or make it difficult.

However, since you know the facts, please enlighten us all and show us which ones and I'll go out of my way to gather the proper evidence so that AK can hit them with everything he has. Of course we both know you can't and won't, so I'm not even sure why I asked. But thanks for getting on the DWB deez nutz train with the rest of the anonymous trolls. If you can round up a few more we can do the choo-choo. All aboard!!!!!

It's painfully obvious who is involved in what by watching them post over and over as if they are going to change anyone's mind, stop AK, or stop him from taking donations from certain companies. It's a broken record. Pure comedy.

notjoe

It's all relational. I think for our business the tube site is generally the bigger problem than the rest, not to say that the rest aren't a problem.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/xvideos.com <- ranked 50th in the world.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rapidshare.com <-- Ranked 212th in the the world.

Which do you think has more of a global reach? The numbers don't lie. Does xvideos have SOME licensed content? Possibly. Are all 2.4 million scenes licensed? Highly doubtful. I would venture to say that you could add up all the traffic from those 600 sites and they probably still wouldn't come close to what a single well known tube site does. Furthermore, tube sites are about one single thing. Free porn. File lockers and the rest of the list you you cited deal in more than that. I would think that they're bigger in the 'warez' scene than in the porn, though, everyone has their speciality.

No. If the content ain't published somewhere and you can't find it then you won't know whether its being pirated or not. Maybe you're hacking file lockers and taking their database to be able to see what it is that they're hosting on their system? The only way file lockers is make money is by exposing their links to draw surfers in to downloading (and possibly paying to download).

See Above.

See the what i wrote above. How do you think people find the content in the first place? Searches are done. Content is found. DMCAs are sent.

So you think all those companies are 100% effective and that none of the tube sites contain any stolen content and that each DMCA request is honoured within a timely fashion and that the content in question never returns?


You should get a nice fat 'donation' from manwin for your diversion tactics!