AdultKing

It's a question of resources. This is time consuming and expensive work, we are very low on funds therefore need to prioritize, so while we are collecting evidence on LuckyShare, we are not in a position to deal with it as fully as we would like to right now.

DamianJ

I'm sure you've thought of this, but seeing as you are faced with an adult industry that moans but doesn't want to pony up cash to support your efforts, have you tried asking the MPAA or RIAA for funds? You seem to be achieving things which they haven't been able to do in years and years of trying. I would have thought they'd be all over you with support...

AdultKing

We've made overtures through AFACT without success. To date no large rightholder representative body has shown any interest in what we do.

You're right though, we are achieving things they haven't been able to achieve, perhaps that's part of the problem.

notjoe

Are you saying that they haven't signed up with your service because they're jealous of your accomplishments?

signupdamnit

If only you were around with what you are doing now in 2006 and 2007. Unfortunately now the industry has practically been taken over by the thieves so you get little or no financial support. I wish I could help financially but when conversions are 3-7 times worse than they once were four or five years ago as an affiliate you can do the math on that one. Thanks again for what you are doing.

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AdultKing

I typed what I wanted to say. Don't try to put words into my mouth, stick to your relentless trolling instead.

Times are tough and every dollar we have received has helped us go that little bit further, however the fact is this is a pretty big industry and it's been a handful of generous people who have helped us keep going.

I am thankful to everyone who has contributed either financial or moral support.

notjoe

Re-read what you said. You said that holders of rights to digital content are not signing up and that the fact you've accomplished what they've failed at is what could be preventing them from signing up. Grow a set of balls and come out and say exactly what it is you want to say rather than trying to hide behind deceptive and condescending text aimed at your potential customers.

AdultKing

No that's not what I said, you can re-read what I said a few times and maybe it will sink in.

I was asked about the MPAA and RIAA which are rights holder representative bodies, I explained that they have not shown any interest in what we are doing.

As we do not sign up rights holder representative bodies and have no intention of doing so, it follows that they could never be, in your words, our "customers".

It's patently clear you have no understanding of our structure, or what we do or who we do represent despite over 4000 posts in this thread. Perhaps brush up on that before making false claims and incorrect assumptions.

MrDeiz

double that

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MrDeiz

With all honesty...
Don't you know that PlugRush, EroAdvertising, JuicyAds, TrafficHolder, etc are the only sources to monetize warez sites? They are a huge share of your traffic and there's no problem for you to recognize and ban them if you'd like to.
But your business rely on them. You've banned some little guy, but u don't mind to contribute by banning some major ones.

I smell hypocrisy

Those traffic brokers are another challenge for the industry. They all are full with flees and should be abused in every possible way.

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DWB

The irony of such a post coming from an anonymous internet troll is too huge to measure.

dgraves

The obstacle I see with contributions for most producers is there's no way to effectively measure results, kind of like donating to fight Global Warming or save the Polar Bears.

I think most would gladly donate if they could verify results. I agree that cutting off the money is key and so far it sounds like Paypal is a big part of that but how easy is it for a locker to open a new Paypal account? If they are blocked indefinitely then that's progress but if they can just open another account and continue on business as usual then it's about as effective as DMCA.

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AdultKing

The fact is the traffic is still flowing, until the widget is replaced with blank images and broken links then not enough has been done.

I note that Plugrush has replied here but not responded to our email to abuse@plugrush

I also note that the widgets are still active, still clickable and someone is deriving benefit from this piracy site by way of traffic.

AdultKing

They are not allowed to return to Paypal, if they do the accounts are closed and they see no money.

We have been shutting off far more than Paypal.

Thus far we have hit the merchant facilities of dozens of file hosts, third party processors and resellers.

We've been operating only six months, in that time we have virtually wiped out the bottom end of the file sharing industry bar a few hangers on and we have seriously wounded the upper end of the industry.

One site we have hit several times is Rapidgator. This is a site which presents real problems to rights holders as it is poised to exceed Rapidshare for traffic share.

We're trying to dismantle a very profitable industry that has been set up over many years, our progress in six months is unprecedented.

DWB

And that is why porn as an industry has always failed to do anything against piracy (or anything for that matter). No one gives a shit about anyone else and unless results can be directly and instantly measured they are not interested.

Here is a guy who is accomplishing things no one else has been able to do before (not even the Music industry or Hollywood) and is making serious progress on seriously limited funds, yet few can be bothered to support him even if it is only $25 or a thread bump. Yet the largest companies who could actually fund him properly (but don't) have no problems throwing away large amounts of money to worthless organizations like the FSC.

We are our own worst enemy. And this is why in the end the criminals will win and the honest people will lose or have their income drastically reduced, as most are seeing now.

Look at what has been done already with very little funding, just a couple of people, and a short amount of time. Then imagine the damage that could be done with a properly funded and staffed operation.

DWB

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dgraves

I agree, this is a tough group to sell to and this is a tough service to sell due to lack of tangible results. It's only human nature to measure results for the money you spend. This is a huge problem that effects all of us so if only a small percentage pay, then they are carrying the entire industry.

Adult probably has the best chance of making an impact because our content is against Paypal's policy.

Manwin claims to be supporting the fight and he has deep pockets so he should be dishing out some serious cash for something like this.

Is there even a way of verifying that your content is on a locker without actually having to join first?

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AdultKing

Yes, we do this every day as do those who provide DMCA removal services.

dgraves

I mean is there a way for each producer to verify without having to buy one of their "Premium" memberships.

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AdultKing

Yes, as I said we do this every day.

I wont explain the process as we don't want to give the bad guys insight into how we monitor them.

signupdamnit

Another issue is that plugrush and Juicyads pay advertisers in a way which is subject to supply and demand. The effect of those additional pirate sites coming in and flooding the market with millions of pirate clicks lowers demand for the legitimate publishers and lowers the rates we get paid.

If these traffic brokers would purge their sites of these sites it would probably increase the payments to legitimate publishers and improve productivity for paysite related products. As it is now legitimate publishers see their earnings fall in part because the market with these brokers is being flooded with millions of clicks from pirate sites.

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Fat Panda

keep up the good work adultking!

dgraves

Email sent to clarify my question. I realize you guys do it but I was asking to find out if "I" can do this as a content producer without buying a membership and supporting their theft.

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Triple-A

I take it avangate now have nothing to do with luckyshare.net or do LS still rely on their services? Their payment options seem limited and hardly mainstream but maybe they cater to the Russians more than Western freeloaders and affiliates etc.

Last time I had an issue with LS I cc'd avangate and they removed 50 infringing links almost immediately

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MrDeiz

yeah. we are the only two who care and there is Adult King who actually does it

that's great

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Plugrush

EDIT: After thinking about this for a while, we are going to figure out how to just remove the widget from the website.

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MrDeiz

are you going to get other warez sites disabled from Plugrush network?
that would be a great example set to others.

otherwise it doesn't make any sense. if you disable one and keep hundreds or probably thousands of others with exactly the same "content"

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Plugrush

Here's the problem man, we have tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of websites in our system...we do not have the time nor the staff to go looking at every single website...If we were to hire people to do this, the rates we pay out to webmasters would drop, and this isn't something we want to do. So, we have the e-mail [email protected], and we are also active on this board helping to deal with problems just like this one.

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MrDeiz

nice. that's pretty much a lot. let's see what your word is worth and thanks for such position.

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Plugrush

Our word has already been proven again and again, we already had talks with the user Adult King and told him we were willing to work with him, which we have just proven.

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AdultKing

Replied, although my reply was probably not as detailed as you would like.

You can find the full complement of payment processors for LuckyShare by reviewing this page:

http://luckyshare.net/premium

Avangate were acting at the time because of actions we were taking which may have resulted in them losing the ability to process Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

Avangate are not out of the woods in this regard, we are considering further action against them as other matters have come to our attention.

I am unable to elaborate beyond this at this stage.

This is the correct course of action, thank you.

I believe Plugrush should be given the opportunity to do the right thing, they have said they will work with us, as stated above, let's give them some breathing space to sort through the various issues that arise.

19teenporn

Here's a christmas eve bump

DWB

Wow, 2013 flew by in a flash. Seems like it only lasted a couple of weeks.

MrDeiz

all major filelockers are offering CC payments again
http://letitbit.net/premium.php
http://turbobit.net/turbo/emoney/12
http://dfiles.ru/gold/payment.php

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kyro

are you low on funds because manwin stopped paying you? i still do not understand why you took his money. you went after time hardcore then he paid you and you were bro bro and now he stops paying you, does that mean he is fair game again ?

kyro

AdultKing

No. We are low on funds because running our operation is expensive and the amount of income we have received is less than the cost of operation.

We'll take contributions from anyone, they don't influence what we will do or not do.

I know that you're trolling, hiding like a gutless wonder behind a fake nick because you're not man enough to put your name to what you ask, however I've answered to clarify for anyone else who might read this and be misled by your crap.

DWB

Why wouldn't he take Manwin's money? Funding is funding. The goal is stop file lockers. You do that however you have to. I believe he first thought about going after Manwin's tubes but there isn't much to go on there as they are not breaking the law, so you go after the next in line which something can be done about, file lockers. If they day ever comes where tubes are targeted I'm sure it would be a conflict of interest at that point to accept money from them. But even then, why not take Manwin's money to get rid of all the other tubes? I'd rather deal with 1 Manwin than 100+ other companies.

This isn't rocket science. It's about doing what you can do with what you have.

MrDeiz

that list of 'killed' filelockers should should be checked a few times a month, especially the major ones.
those suckers always come up with the idea

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We constantly check them. This has always been an ongoing process.

kyro

so you will take money from anyone. that is the same rationalization that the traffic brokers use when they deal with warez sites or the dating and cam companies use when they buy ads on warez sites. no one has principles when it comes to who they are doing business with.

adultmobile

Do you know when you buy cell phone there was some chinese slavery involved; you buy a t-shirt there's balgladesh slavery involved; you eat meat there was cruelty on animals. Just saying, I'm one who buy traffic from tubes.

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DWB

Taking a donation from someone is not "doing business" with them. It is not a payment for services rendered.

If you donate to The Red Cross you are not doing business with The Red Cross nor are either of you bound by either others principles or ethics. It is a donation. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a clear difference between a business transaction and a donation.

AdultKing

We don't "do business" with people who contribute to our efforts, we take their money and use it to run a campaign against piracy, to pay for our resources, legal support, office space, administrative support, printing, paper, servers, programming, postage etc.

You on the other hand seem overly concerned with denigrating our efforts, all from a fake nick, not man enough to put your name or identity to your diatribe.

kyro

lol you call it donation, i call it payoff, someone else could call it doing business. I don't care though what you call it.

Lets do a recount of history. adultking bashes on manwin hard, adultking goes after piracy, manwin's sites have stolen content, manwin pays adultking money, adultking stops bashing on manwin. those are the facts bro and if you think the money didn't cause adultking to back off of manwin then you got your head in your ass. i know you guys love adultking for what he is doing but at least be honest about it and don't sugar coat it.

kyro

doesn't matter what you call it. you are funded by the bad guys. it looks like a payoff.

you were posting like this not too long ago:

then you start crusade against piracy, manwin pays your money and you don't go after him. draw your own conclusions.


get off your horse about fake nick, tired of hearing you say everyone who questions you is a fake nick. yes i went back in time to 2004 to make this nick name just to fuck with you. i don't think so. what am i saying that is that big of a deal that someone would have to hide behind a fake nick. you really need to check yourself.

AdultKing

That's a perverted timeline of the history of this, you should read the interviews I have given to various media organisations as I have addressed this.

What really happened is that in 2011 I tried to start a non profit organisation to fight piracy starting with tubes - however virtually nobody was interested. This got me thinking and over the course of time between then and the middle of last year I came to the realisation that the really problematic piracy stemmed from file lockers. Thus I started a campaign to fight file lockers.

We have asked again and again for people to send us copies of their infringement notices to [email protected] - very few of them relate to tubes.

You may not like the facts but it's true that there is a greater volume of piracy on file lockers, forums, image hosting sites and torrents than there is on tubes.

We will take money from anyone, we will use it to fight piracy without fear nor favour.

You on the other hand can continue your pointless campaign of weasel words hiding behind the anonymity of a keyboard.

kyro

what ever you need to justify it bro. according to that then you can't breathe without doing business with the bad guys. i do think differently. i think difference between a direct payment from the enemy and some child making the shirt i buy. but i am not buying traffic from warez sites so i don't need to make excuses to make my self feel better.

why stop at buying traffic from tube sites, why not go make tube sites and let people upload stolen content, it's legal. if it's legal and everything else we do in life is corrupted then why draw a line with buying traffic, it's ok everyone go start their own tube site and hide behind dmca laws.

AdultKing

What have you ever done ? Anything significant ? Or is posting on a forum enough of an effort for you ?