Queen Of Clown Porn dies -- 30

[Barry-xlovecam]

Queen Of Clown Porn dies -- 30

"Hollie Stevens, age 30, of breast cancer is nothing short of absolutely tragic. Friends say that Stevens had no health insurance and couldn?t access decent health care; a lump on her breast claimed her life barely out of her 20s.

According to The San Francisco Weekly, Hollie Stevens found a lump on her breast, but ?going to the doctor [was] hard when you don?t have insurance.? Then, in January of last year, she went to a doctor and discovered she had cancer. ...

Before you judge the fact she apparently didn?t earn enough to afford health insurance, think about all the people ? especially young people ? you know who have gone uninsured."



RIP, but a sad and probably unnecessary death.

[candyflip]

I'm pretty sure we did this. Like three days back.

[TheDA]

Yes. Old news as they say

[Barry-xlovecam]

Sorry I had a power and internet outage 3 days ago

[John-ACWM]

Damn cancer...RIP

[sperbonzo]

Why the emphasis on the health insurance part? You want to turn this into some kind of political statement? I know young people that have insurance, and I know some that don't. Interestingly, the ones that don't spend more on beer and partying each month than health insurance would cost them. Their choice.




In any case, it's very very sad about Hollie. She seemed like a nice person from the times I met her. :-(((



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[Paul Markham]

So glad I live in a country where we don't have such freedoms. The Nanny State insisted on saving my life.

[seeandsee]

Jesus RIP! Unemployed people must have good insurance too...

[Failed]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Why the emphasis on the health insurance part? You want to turn this into some kind of political statement? I know young people that have insurance, and I know some that don't. Interestingly, the ones that don't spend more on beer and partying each month than health insurance would cost them. Their choice.

You're the master of wording news stories to appear political. This is like the pot calling the kettle black. You're also just like everyone else who doesn't agree with a society helping one another in that you believe the people you know is a fair and accurate sample to judge the entire country upon. It's just absurd.

[Freaky_Akula]

Pretty poor taste to turn news of her death into a thread about health insurance.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Failed

You're the master of wording news stories to appear political. This is like the pot calling the kettle black. You're also just like everyone else who doesn't agree with a society helping one another in that you believe the people you know is a fair and accurate sample to judge the entire country upon. It's just absurd.

I completely beleive in people helping each other. My definitition of "people helping each other", does not include a third party (government), coming in and taking one person's money, by force, and then giving it to someone else. That's not "people helping"




.....and yes, I can take news stories and talk about their political implications, but this is someone that a lot of us knew personally, and using her death as a political point is a long way from just some random news story.




ugly.




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[Failed]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

.....and yes, I can take news stories and talk about their political implications, but this is someone that a lot of us knew personally, and using her death as a political point is a long way from just some random news story.

Hollie would have benefited from Obama's health care bill. She's quoted as saying it's hard going to the doctor when you don't have benefits. I think Hollie would love to see some good come out of her death and trying to make people understand that everyone deserves health care would do just that.

RIP Hollie, you deserved better from our country and its people.

[Jman]

As a Canadian she might have gotten all the help she needed.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Why the emphasis on the health insurance part? You want to turn this into some kind of political statement? I know young people that have insurance, and I know some that don't. Interestingly, the ones that don't spend more on beer and partying each month than health insurance would cost them. Their choice.




In any case, it's very very sad about Hollie. She seemed like a nice person from the times I met her. :-(((



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Because maybe she wouldnt of died if she had it. imagine that.

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula

Pretty poor taste to turn news of her death into a thread about health insurance.

100% absolutely agree!

[Freaky_Akula]

Originally Posted by tony286

Because maybe she wouldnt of died if she had it. imagine that.

Maybe the girl that died in a car crash two weeks ago would not have died if Obama had made cars illegal. imagine that.

[- Jesus Christ -]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

Jesus RIP! Unemployed people must have good insurance too...

I'm not dead asshole.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by tony286

Because maybe she wouldnt of died if she had it. imagine that.

An average healthy young person, which she probably was, can get health insurance for $100-200/mo. An average healthy young person that claims they can't put together $200 a month for insurance is lying.

With that said, sad story. My moms friends son died two days ago from lung cancer. He was 19. And he had insurance.

[Failed]

Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula

Maybe the girl that died in a car crash two weeks ago would not have died if Obama had made cars illegal. imagine that.

That's not even in the same galaxy as what's being discussed here. Come back down to earth and try again.

[Freaky_Akula]

Originally Posted by Failed

That's not even in the same galaxy as what's being discussed here. Come back down to earth and try again.

Risks are all around you. It is retarded to think Obama can make them go away. And thinking Obamacare will fix the health system is as retarded as preventing fatal car accidents by banning cars or building a better world by invading countries.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Jman

As a Canadian she might have gotten all the help she needed.

Perhaps....

http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd....g&mid=11891912


Most Cancer Survival Rates in USA Better Than Europe and Canada

Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:55 PM
Wesley J. Smith
One of the excellent aspects of the current American health care system is that most people can get immediate help if they become very ill. Not true in places like Canada or the UK, where waiting lines for crucial imaging tests can range in the several months?months that for cancer patients can mean the difference between living and dying.

I decided to do a little research on cancer survival rates, and it turns out USA is # 1. From the fact sheet put out in 07 from the National Center for Policy Analysis:

According to the survey of cancer survival rates in Europe and the United States, published recently in Lancet Oncology :

American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women. [See Figure I.]
American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent ? compared to only 47 percent for European men.
Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.
For women, only three European countries (Sweden, Belgium and Switzerland) have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent.
These figures reflect the care available to all Americans, not just those with private health coverage. Great Britain, known for its 50-year-old government-run, universal health care system, fares worse than the European average: British men have a five-year survival rate of only 45 percent; women, only 53 percent.

But what about Canada, Wesley? Canada is the ideal of single payer health care:

Canada?s system of national health insurance is often cited as a model for the United States. But an analysis of 2001 to 2003 data by June O?Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, and economist David O?Neill, found that overall cancer survival rates are higher in the United States than in Canada:

For women, the average survival rate for all cancers is 61 percent in the United States, compared to 58 percent in Canada.
For men, the average survival rate for all cancers is 57 percent in the United States, compared to 53 percent in Canada.

Early diagnosis is the key, which gets us to the crucial screening issue:

It is often claimed that people have better access to preventive screenings in universal health care systems. But despite the large number of uninsured, cancer patients in the United States are most likely to be screened regularly, and once diagnosed, have the fastest access to treatment. For example, a Commonwealth Fund report showed that women in the United States were more likely to get a PAP test for cervical cancer every two years than women in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Great Britain, where health insurance is guaranteed by the government.

* In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain.
* The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly ? a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.

This is a very important aspect of the current debate. Reform is necessary to increase access of our uninsured to these very services. But destroying what works for the vast majority of Americans to accommodate the needs of the few?when that matter could be corrected with a far less draconian approach?must not be allowed to succeed.



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[sperbonzo]

Sorry, double post

[CHARGER]

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

I'm not dead asshole.

[Tom_PM]

She said it was hard and that caused her to delay and that caused it to become terminal.

You don't have to believe anyone else but her. Or am I really missing something here?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I completely beleive in people helping each other. My definitition of "people helping each other", does not include a third party (government), coming in and taking one person's money, by force, and then giving it to someone else. That's not "people helping"

You would much rather private industry to take to take more of your money. And give it to the shareholders.

I would back your argument 100% if the US method was cheaper and better. It's not you pay more money and as a country get worse for it.

[brassmonkey]

her body is still fresh

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Call me a troll, piff

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula

Pretty poor taste to turn news of her death into a thread about health insurance.

I don't see that "poor taste" changes the facts.

Maybe it's poor taste to deny reality when people die and leave things at a few
kind words about magical gods over the body instead of facing the problem and
finding a solution.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Queen Of Clown Porn dies -- 30

"Hollie Stevens, age 30, of breast cancer is nothing short of absolutely tragic. Friends say that Stevens had no health insurance and couldn?t access decent health care; a lump on her breast claimed her life barely out of her 20s.

According to The San Francisco Weekly, Hollie Stevens found a lump on her breast, but ?going to the doctor [was] hard when you don?t have insurance.? Then, in January of last year, she went to a doctor and discovered she had cancer. ...

Before you judge the fact she apparently didn?t earn enough to afford health insurance, think about all the people ? especially young people ? you know who have gone uninsured."



RIP, but a sad and probably unnecessary death.

didnt know you jumped on a soap box at the end there about health care

[GregE]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

She said it was hard and that caused her to delay and that caused it to become terminal.

You don't have to believe anyone else but her. Or am I really missing something here?

No you're not.

Can't say that for everyone else in this thread though.

[grumpy]

RIP bad news, who said they dont need obama care?

[u-Bob]

Those who are truly worried about the price of health care services in the US, should ask themselves "Why are those services so expensive in the first place?" instead of trying to come up with ways to spread the current costs over as many people as possible.

Until a certain moment in the second half of the 1800s, the US had the highest number of doctors per capita of any country in the world. There were numerous medical schools and you did not have to put yourself into debt for the rest of your life in order to be able to attend them. (Yet, these schools still managed to make a profit.) The high number of doctors meant actual competition and thus resulted in lower prices.

Find out what happened, what changed, why suddenly women and black people were no longer allowed to practice medicine in certain states, how the AMA came to be and what the Flexner report was all about.

Introducing things like 'Obamacare' won't fix anything because the basic concept is flawed. It tries to 'cure' the symptoms, but it does not address the root problem.

[Barry-xlovecam]

If a real world example ruffles a few feathers -- good.

[Hentaikid]

A system that refuses care to patients who can't afford it is logically going to have better outcomes, since it's selecting the patients it treats. Considering that, the numbers ought to look a lot better than just a few percentage points.

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

RIP and fuck the fucking deniers. You people really have no soul.

[SmutHammer]

Rip to her, it's sad. but you don't need health insurance to see a doctor in the usa, you never did....

[yuu.design]

she still looks so hot!

[2012]

horrible . rip

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

Those who are truly worried about the price of health care services in the US, should ask themselves "Why are those services so expensive in the first place?" instead of trying to come up with ways to spread the current costs over as many people as possible.

Because there are far too many big corporate noses in the trough. Other countries provide a far better service for everyone at a low cost. Figuring out why America can't provide the same or better for less is easy.

[jimmycooper]

Originally Posted by Jman

As a Canadian she might have gotten all the help she needed.

..but only if she lived within driving distance of Detroit.

[Vendzilla]

I've always had health insurance

[Voodoo]

Fuck off guys. This is completely tasteless and classless. I'd wager that most of you didn't even know her, especially OP.

How would any of you like it if someone started a thread about your death (or someone you cared about) where people jumped in and decided to debate the nutritional value of dog shit?

Move along if you don't have anything respectable to say.

[just a punk]

Sad story (

P.S. Thanks god for the free medicine.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because there are far too many big corporate noses in the trough. Other countries provide a far better service for everyone at a low cost. Figuring out why America can't provide the same or better for less is easy.

You're missing the point Paul. You're still talking about symptoms, not about the problem.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

You're missing the point Paul. You're still talking about symptoms, not about the problem.

So what is the problem?

[Young]

Originally Posted by Voodoo

Fuck off guys. This is completely tasteless and classless. I'd wager that most of you didn't even know her, especially OP.

How would any of you like it if someone started a thread about your death (or someone you cared about) where people jumped in and decided to debate the nutritional value of dog shit?

Move along if you don't have anything respectable to say.

Friends say that Stevens had no health insurance and couldn?t access decent health care; a lump on her breast claimed her life barely out of her 20s.

This thread is justified.

If this was an official RIP Hollie thread started by one of her friends than everything you said would have been valid.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I completely beleive in people helping each other. My definitition of "people helping each other", does not include a third party (government), coming in and taking one person's money, by force, and then giving it to someone else. That's not "people helping"




.....and yes, I can take news stories and talk about their political implications, but this is someone that a lot of us knew personally, and using her death as a political point is a long way from just some random news story.



ugly.




.

So ... you are against the military ?????

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Perhaps....

http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd....g&mid=11891912


Most Cancer Survival Rates in USA Better Than Europe and Canada

Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:55 PM
Wesley J. Smith
One of the excellent aspects of the current American health care system is that most people can get immediate help if they become very ill. Not true in places like Canada or the UK, where waiting lines for crucial imaging tests can range in the several months–months that for cancer patients can mean the difference between living and dying.

I decided to do a little research on cancer survival rates, and it turns out USA is # 1. From the fact sheet put out in 07 from the National Center for Policy Analysis:

According to the survey of cancer survival rates in Europe and the United States, published recently in Lancet Oncology :

American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared to 56 percent for European women. [See Figure I.]
American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent — compared to only 47 percent for European men.
Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.
For women, only three European countries (Sweden, Belgium and Switzerland) have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent.
These figures reflect the care available to all Americans, not just those with private health coverage. Great Britain, known for its 50-year-old government-run, universal health care system, fares worse than the European average: British men have a five-year survival rate of only 45 percent; women, only 53 percent.

But what about Canada, Wesley? Canada is the ideal of single payer health care:

Canada’s system of national health insurance is often cited as a model for the United States. But an analysis of 2001 to 2003 data by June O’Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, and economist David O’Neill, found that overall cancer survival rates are higher in the United States than in Canada:

For women, the average survival rate for all cancers is 61 percent in the United States, compared to 58 percent in Canada.
For men, the average survival rate for all cancers is 57 percent in the United States, compared to 53 percent in Canada.

Early diagnosis is the key, which gets us to the crucial screening issue:

It is often claimed that people have better access to preventive screenings in universal health care systems. But despite the large number of uninsured, cancer patients in the United States are most likely to be screened regularly, and once diagnosed, have the fastest access to treatment. For example, a Commonwealth Fund report showed that women in the United States were more likely to get a PAP test for cervical cancer every two years than women in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Great Britain, where health insurance is guaranteed by the government.

* In the United States, 85 percent of women aged 25 to 64 years have regular PAP smears, compared with 58 percent in Great Britain.
* The same is true for mammograms; in the United States, 84 percent of women aged 50 to 64 years get them regularly — a higher percentage than in Australia, Canada or New Zealand, and far higher than the 63 percent of British women.

This is a very important aspect of the current debate. Reform is necessary to increase access of our uninsured to these very services. But destroying what works for the vast majority of Americans to accommodate the needs of the few–when that matter could be corrected with a far less draconian approach–must not be allowed to succeed.



.

Nice think-tank :

The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy research organization, established in 1983. Our goal is to develop and promote private, free-market alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial
private sector.

http://www.ncpa.org/about/

PS: If I have a bad feeling tonight, I will be admitted in a hospital and I will not have to worry if I can afford it

[TheSquealer]

http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/pay..._insurance.jsp

Then again, why let facts get in the way of an emotional discussion rooted in myth and hype by people who have no stake in the discussion?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

http://www.breastcancer.org/tips/pay..._insurance.jsp

Then again, why let facts get in the way of an emotional discussion rooted in myth and hype by people who have no stake in the discussion?

only the girl that died of cancer was the one who said she had the problem not having insurance. Its not spin its truth.