Another shooting - Sikh Temple - Milwaukee county

[SilentKnight]

Breaking news

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/05...ple/?hpt=hp_t1

Authorities responded to an incident at a Sikh temple in Milwaukee County on Sunday, where at least one body was seen lying in the parking lot. CNN affiliate WTMJ is reporting that multiple people may have been shot outside the temple.

WTMJ reports that the gunman may be on the loose. Aerial pictures show multiple bodies in the parking lot.

The shooting happened at about 10:40 a.m. local time, according to WTMJ.

Sikhism rose up 500 years ago in India as a monotheistic religion that rejected the caste system and scriptures of Hinduism.

[DWB]

Sikhs usually carry a big ass ceremonial knife. Surprised someone didn't gut him.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by DWB

Sikhs usually carry a big ass ceremonial knife. Surprised someone didn't gut him.

They're called khirpans - and they're not usually big.

I remember back in the 90s in Toronto when they fought to have khirpans allowed in public schools - claiming it was their right under religious ceremony laws.

It only took a month or so after they were permitted that someone got stabbed in a school.

[J. Falcon]

Guns don't kill people.... wait.

Outlaw guns, and only criminals will have access to guns. Huh? In countries where guns are illegal it's hard for anyone to get guns, even criminals. Make it hard, almost impossible to get guns, and you can be sure these things won't happen, at least not as often. But people will continue to protect their right to bear arms, no matter how many shootings.

[J. Falcon]

As long as guns are easy to buy, expect more of the same behavior.

[2012]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

As long as guns are easy to buy, expect more of the same behavior.

are you fuckin retarded

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by 2012

are you fuckin retarded

Nice response. You certainly sound like you might be.

[2012]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Nice response. You certainly sound like you might be.

i am .

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by 2012

i am .

Great, now fuck off and let the smart people talk.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Guns don't kill people.... wait.

Outlaw guns, and only criminals will have access to guns. Huh? In countries where guns are illegal it's hard for anyone to get guns, even criminals. Make it hard, almost impossible to get guns, and you can be sure these things won't happen, at least not as often. But people will continue to protect their right to bear arms, no matter how many shootings.

There's no easy answers or solutions. The arguments, debates, finger-pointing and blame will go on and on...while more innocent lives are snuffed out by psychopaths on a daily basis.

And anyone who comes along with a viable solution likely won't be in a position of power or authority to implement it. Politicians hate the thought of alienating a voting demographic on either side of the issue - so they'll continue sitting on the fence while trying to appease everyone on both sides.

[2012]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Great, now fuck off and let the smart people talk.

i don't know how i should take somethting like this. you did seem smart. like a smart individual with something to contribute to the community.

i understand you know.
It ... is okay stephoush

[2012]

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

There's no easy answers or solutions. The arguments, debates, finger-pointing and blame will go on and on...while more innocent lives are snuffed out by psychopaths on a daily basis.

And anyone who comes along with a viable solution likely won't be in a position of power or authority to implement it. Politicians hate the thought of alienating a voting demographic on either side of the issue - so they'll continue sitting on the fence while trying to appease everyone on both sides.

It's only natural for responsible people to try and find a solution to the gun problem. Unfortunately, most people feel threatened when the issue is brought up, and they bring up all kinds of ridiculous points to defend their right to carry fire arms.


The 2nd amendment was written in 1791. The only firearms of the day were black powder muskets and one shot pistols. The framers and country folk of the Constitution had no concept of AR-15s, AK 47s, uzies and the like.

Assault rifles were intended to be military anti-personnel weapons. How is it possible for these weapons to be owned by the civilian population for non-military use?

[2012]

[PhoneMoney]

You are oversimplifying the problem and laying blame in the wrong places.

This crime is not about guns, but hate. As most crimes of this nature are. And hate like this will make you use ANYTHING you can to do what you want to do: Destroy those with different beliefs.

If no guns, they would have made homemade bombs, in my opinion.

Mental instability, hate, extreme religious beliefs - all of this is to blame. But as a society, it is easier to blame an object than a social issue and how we deal with these issues as a nation.

We can't look too deep, right? We can't call things what they really are. We have to hide behind the greath myth of the USA.

Nothing to see here, people, nothing to see. THAT should be our motto lately.

[J. Falcon]

In almost everyone of these slaughters, the assault weapons were purchase quite legally at respected gun dealers like Bass Pro Shops, Gander Mountain, in this most recent example. 6,000 rounds of ammo were legally purchased online.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by PhoneMoney

If no guns, they would have made homemade bombs, in my opinion.

That seems to be the argument of everyone who defends the right to carry arms. But the truth is it's much easier to aim and squeeze a trigger (especially when you can buy them over the counter), then it would be to install an explosive device or go on a stabbing spree.

I know someone will come here to say we should outlaw cars, because they can be used to run people over, kitchen utensils because they can be used as fatal weapons, so on and so forth. It's really lame.

Gun laws have succeeded in every country where they have been tried. The stats don't lie.

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/s...te-20-times-h/

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by PhoneMoney

We can't look too deep, right? We can't call things what they really are. We have to hide behind the greath myth of the USA.

What myth?

U.S. Rep. Jim Moran marked the first anniversary of the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona with a call for more gun control.

"The U.S. gun homicide rate is 20 times the combined rate of other western nations," Moran, D-8th, wrote in a Jan. 10 column that ran in the Falls Church News-Press.

That statistic caught our eye. We wondered if Moran is right.

A Moran spokeswoman told us the congressman?s claim is based on a study of the homicide rates of wealthy nations in 2003, conducted by the UCLA School of Public Health. The report, published in 2010, uses data from the World Health Organization to compare gun-related homicide, gun-related suicide and unintentional and undetermined gun deaths for all ages and both sexes.

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/s...te-20-times-h/

[PhoneMoney]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

That seems to be the argument of everyone who defends the right to carry arms. But the truth is it's much easier to aim and squeeze a trigger (especially when you can buy them over the counter), then it would be to install an explosive device or go on a stabbing spree.

I know someone will come here to say we should outlaw cars, because they can be used to run people over, kitchen utensils because they can be used as fatal weapons, so on and so forth. It's really lame.

Gun laws have succeeded in every country where they have been tried. The stats don't lie.

Actually, I agree wholeheartedly with your statement that it is easier to shoot a gun. There is no doubt about it.

I am saying, however, in cases like this - one will find a way no matter what. I don't think in cases like this that gun control would make a difference.

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my post - my point being that all of the focus seems to go to gun control, when that is not the issue. The issue is our society.

In regards to your other post about what do I mean by myth? I mean that we are a country that is too prideful at this point to realize where our society is going. All is not ok, in my opinion.

We call people 'the face of evil' when in fact they are the face of mental illness. We do nothing to stop the intolerance of other religions. We allow the hate to spread, and sweep it under the rug.

We have serious social issues here,and it is getting worse all the time. The 'myth' is that we are all ok - because if we don't address it, it doesn't exist.

That being said, do be aware I am not anti-USA. I love this country, and am very political in my private (not business) life. I want to see us succeed, and fix the problems.

But first, you know, we need to recognize them and take responsibility.

We need to look at things not in ways that make us comfortable, but in ways that are true. It is not always easy.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by PhoneMoney

Actually, I agree wholeheartedly with your statement that it is easier to shoot a gun. There is no doubt about it.

I am saying, however, in cases like this - one will find a way no matter what. I don't think in cases like this that gun control would make a difference.

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my post - my point being that all of the focus seems to go to gun control, when that is not the issue. The issue is our society.

In regards to your other post about what do I mean by myth? I mean that we are a country that is too prideful at this point to realize where our society is going. All is not ok, in my opinion.

We call people 'the face of evil' when in fact they are the face of mental illness. We do nothing to stop the intolerance of other religions. We allow the hate to spread, and sweep it under the rug.

We have serious social issues here,and it is getting worse all the time. The 'myth' is that we are all ok - because if we don't address it, it doesn't exist.

That being said, do be aware I am not anti-USA. I love this country, and am very political in my private (not business) life. I want to see us succeed, and fix the problems.

But first, you know, we need to recognize them and take responsibility.

We need to look at things not in ways that make us comfortable, but in ways that are true. It is not always easy.

Of course the main issue is society. Guns are a major part of society in the US. I believe there have now been 8 mass shootings this year. That is over one mass shooting per month. You can't discuss the sociological problem without touching on the subject of how easy it is to get guns and how much everyone LOVES their guns so much.

[Confined]

They also had cannons and multi shot hand cannons back then too.

You can destroy a building with a cannon.

But I digress... regardless, the framers main purpose of even having the 2nd was not to quibble about what it applies to.

It was meant to keep people free by not allowing anybody to oppress them.

There will always be fucked up individuals in any society.

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

It's only natural for responsible people to try and find a solution to the gun problem. Unfortunately, most people feel threatened when the issue is brought up, and they bring up all kinds of ridiculous points to defend their right to carry fire arms.


The 2nd amendment was written in 1791. The only firearms of the day were black powder muskets and one shot pistols. The framers and country folk of the Constitution had no concept of AR-15s, AK 47s, uzies and the like.

Assault rifles were intended to be military anti-personnel weapons. How is it possible for these weapons to be owned by the civilian population for non-military use?

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Confined

There will always be fucked up individuals in any society.

No kidding? At one mass shooting per month I think you're right. What you have is a lot of fucked up individuals (much more than normal I would say) with quick and easy access to automatic weapons and ammo. Enjoy your freedom.

Btw the constitution was created to be amended. It should adapt to the problems of today.

[GAMEFINEST]

Im shocked noone got stabbed

[CurrentlySober]

i cant afford a turban...

[harpreetxi]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

i cant afford a turban...

well i pity you if you can't. Look at your life where do you stand in word ? lol

tbh if you don"t a better face ( yes you are ugly as shit) atleast you could speak better ?

[J. Falcon]

One mass shooting per month

[Badmaash]

The guy is a white supremacist: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19151869

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Guns don't kill people.... wait.

Outlaw guns, and only criminals will have access to guns. Huh? In countries where guns are illegal it's hard for anyone to get guns, even criminals. Make it hard, almost impossible to get guns, and you can be sure these things won't happen, at least not as often. But people will continue to protect their right to bear arms, no matter how many shootings.

Guns are illegal as hell in Mexico and only the bad guys have them.

[wehateporn]

Just like in Norway and Colorado, eyewitnesses say there were multiple-shooters

[CaptainHowdy]

Outlaw people ...

[MarkDeus]

And where are all the gun freaks when a tragedy occurs? Never heard of a gunner gunned down by a law-abiding citizen..

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Badmaash

The guy is a white supremacist: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19151869

Yep, uneducated , below IQ level and probably a teabagger ....

Can't make the difference :

CAIR noted that Sikh men who wear beards and turbans as part of their faith are often targeted by bigots who mistake them for Muslims.

[2012]

but we weren't done watching all the "mourn media" specials from the first one ..... my favorite was "Madness at Midnight". If you were running ads during that one you banked probably even more than the candlelight vigils

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Just like in Norway and Colorado, eyewitnesses say there were multiple-shooters

Mom heard cops and bad guys in a gun battle. Multiple shooter theory solved. Eye witness testimony sucks ass... hear say testimony of eye witness testimony is dog shit.

[AllAboutCams]

i wont be shedding a tear

[Badmaash]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Yep, uneducated , below IQ level and probably a teabagger ....

Can't make the difference :

If more white people join Sikhism then I guess the white supremacist will have to leave them alone.... maybe

[sobecash]

Just days after that tragic Colorado shooting incident comes another one