Negative SEO

[DaCaptain]

Someone has spammed over 1300 different forums with links to my site, Debauchery.com. I am gonna post just a few links here and suggest that you look to see if any of your sites are spammed here too. I found these links using Google's new feature in WM tools where you can download the latest links. This feature actually shows links from as far back as 2004 for my site.

Anyway, any thoughts, suggestions, relevant comments on this would be appreciated. It has been suggested to me that one of the bigger porn companies has a staff that does this to hurt the competition in the serps. I don't know but am throwing this out there for everyone to consider.

Following are just a few of the most recent ones, to see the link to my site just view the source and search for debauchery.com.

http://www.teorijapalmera.ru/forum/v...619&view=print

http://www.emschoppingblock.com/foru...95d64&start=30

http://www.basementstudiosgc.co.uk/f...054&view=print

With over 1300 of these, I doubt seriously that they are "organic" links that surfers put up. The wording is very weird too...I mean "Billy Joel Hey Girl" is the anchor text linking to my index page on the second one above...wtf. No surfer would post that.

Thoughts?

[fistinface]

oOvious SEO rape attempt. You may need to hire a link removal company.

[u-Bob]

Not a lot you can do. Focus on your own seo work and ignore the negative seo.

Having those links removed could even hurt you (link velocity), but there's no way to know for sure what will happen.

[Colmike9]

It's the only good use for Xrumer these days..

[DaCaptain]

A link removal company. They have those now-a-days? That's funny.

I do agree that there is not a lot that I can do.

If you notice, there are a lot of other sites with links there and I was hoping that some of those folks would notice this as well. I have no clue as to what we can all do about this, but I figured better minds than mine might get involved and come up with something.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by DaCaptain

A link removal company. They have those now-a-days? That's funny.

I do agree that there is not a lot that I can do.

If you notice, there are a lot of other sites with links there and I was hoping that some of those folks would notice this as well. I have no clue as to what we can all do about this, but I figured better minds than mine might get involved and come up with something.

You do nothing and btw, these links won't hurt your site

[DaCaptain]

Antonio, if they won't hurt my site why did someone go to such great lengths to create the links? This is not a new occurrence, I've seen these links from as far back as 2005.

[Colmike9]

If you use Google's webmaster tools, you can explain to them what happened to reconsider your ranks:

https://www.google.com/webmasters/to...deration?pli=1

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by DaCaptain

I found these links using Google's new feature in WM tools where you can download the latest links. This feature actually shows links from as far back as 2004 for my site.

Where within the wm tools do you see the feature to download latest links? All I see is just a list of links, nothing about latest links?
WG

[trevesty]

Google is pretty smart... they won't hurt your site. If that were the case, a lot of people would be wiping out their competition using that method.

[DaCaptain]

Where within the wm tools do you see the feature to download latest links? All I see is just a list of links, nothing about latest links?
WG

In the "Links To Your Site" area, "Who Links the Most" look up at the top, there are 3 buttons:

It is the 3rd one, called "Download Latest Links"

[TheSquealer]

Aren't you friends with Julius Andrassy?

[DaCaptain]

trevesty, I hope that you are right. However, I am curious as to why this has been going on for 7 years. That seems an awful long time for someone to keep up something like this.

[TheSquealer]

Regardless, if its not for phrases you are ranking for or concerned about, its meaningless.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by DaCaptain

In the "Links To Your Site" area, "Who Links the Most" look up at the top, there are 3 buttons:

It is the 3rd one, called "Download Latest Links"

Found it...
Thanks
WG

[DaCaptain]

Aren't you friends with Julius Andrassy?

Doesn't ring a bell.

[DaCaptain]

Found it...
Thanks

Np. I am curious to know if you see any such links.

If you download it as a CSV you can search the spreadsheet for the word "forum" and it will tell you how many are there. If there are a lot you can do a Find, Replace All, and go to "format" and change the font to bold and change the font size to 12 or something. This will make them stand out...you can easily scroll down and look for trends.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by DaCaptain

Np. I am curious to know if you see any such links.

If you download it as a CSV you can search the spreadsheet for the word "forum" and it will tell you how many are there. If there are a lot you can do a Find, Replace All, and go to "format" and change the font to bold and change the font size to 12 or something. This will make them stand out...you can easily scroll down and look for trends.

Nope. In fact I'm seeing quite a lag on the results. Nothing new since July 10th. And as far back as I go, I don't see any forum type links. Sounds like someone did an xrumer run on your site. At one point the SE's did penalize bad neighbourhoods, in today's SEO I'd think that the worst thing a search engine would do is ignore bad links like that. Otherwise as someone pointed out, it would be used to take down the competition.
WG

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Regardless, if its not for phrases you are ranking for or concerned about, its meaningless.

what he said.

if you are still ranking good in google and weren't hit by for example penguin, why would you care about those links? So how are your rankings? If they're still good those links dont have an effect otherwise you would have lost your rankings by now, seeing those links go way back.

[DaCaptain]

My site still ranks pretty good, but it has a weird filter on it. For the past 20 months every 60 days it shoots up in the serps, stays for about a week, then drops down. When it is down it gets decent se traffic but when it is up it gets really good traffic.

In Reconsideration requests, Google has said that the site does not have a manual action on it. Hence, it has to be some sort of algo filter. And it is like clockwork.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by DaCaptain

Np. I am curious to know if you see any such links.

If you download it as a CSV you can search the spreadsheet for the word "forum" and it will tell you how many are there. If there are a lot you can do a Find, Replace All, and go to "format" and change the font to bold and change the font size to 12 or something. This will make them stand out...you can easily scroll down and look for trends.

What is the most recent (date) you have in that CSV file? Mine's july 10th, not sure if a 9 day lag is normal?
WG

[FreeHugeMovies]

Sucks this shit happens

[mce]

Fiverr to the rescue........

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by DaCaptain

Doesn't ring a bell.

He sold links on your site I believe in the past. At least he did to me on your behalf, claiming you guys had some relationship (partners, best friends or something). I can't really remember but I'm pretty sure I bought links on your site quite a few years ago in 08 or so.

Anyway, he is a liar, a thief and a scammer that has ripped off most of the larger link buyers/sellers in adult, including several of the largest programs.

As soon as I noticed your domain the other day when you made a post, I began to wonder how close you were with him as quite a few people were hunting for him not too long ago and he's also the kind of person who attracts this sort of behavior or that would do it thinking he's going to make your site fail (he's a sociopath but also not real bright).

[Aleksandr]

I found these links using Google's new feature in WM tools where you can download the latest links.

Where do you see this?

[DaCaptain]

Squelar, no one has ever sold links on my site. I am a one man operation. I've owned that site since I came up with the name in 1996. In the old days, I did have employees but they were all friends that live here in town that I've known for years, but even they didn't sell links. If someone tried to sell you a link on my site they must have been a scammer, but they had no affiliation with me.

[DaCaptain]

Aleksander, look at the thread above, I spelled out how to find it in Wm tools.

[DaCaptain]

WiredGuy, I downloaded that file yesterday and the most recent link was on July 7, 2012.

[Why]

Originally Posted by DaCaptain

My site still ranks pretty good, but it has a weird filter on it. For the past 20 months every 60 days it shoots up in the serps, stays for about a week, then drops down. When it is down it gets decent se traffic but when it is up it gets really good traffic.

ive seen this happen to a number of sites, this is not terribly abnormal. try to figure out what keywords you are getting the increased traffic on and improve your bounce rate & time on site. maybe you will stay up there longer the next time. i would also look at changing titles, or content to effect how you show for these searches to see if you can also increase your CTR which might also help keep you on top.

[DamageX]

Those won't hurt you, long-term. May cause a slight drop initially, although not even that is very likely.

If someone REALLY wanted you out of the SERPs, they'd do other stuff. I've, ahem... SEOd sites that are nowhere to be found anymore, and staying there.

[hony]

Maybe this is a job for the "disavow link" tool, whenever that appears. But seriously, it had better have a bulk load!

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Google is pretty smart... they won't hurt your site. If that were the case, a lot of people would be wiping out their competition using that method.

lol

8char

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by hony

Maybe this is a job for the "disavow link" tool, whenever that appears. But seriously, it had better have a bulk load!

never use the disavow link tool when it goes live. It's another tool from big G to get as many information as possible; and a great way to fuck up sites.

[DaCaptain]

I suspect that those links have not hurt my site. However, one bee sting won't kill most people...but a lot of bee stings will. Negative SEO like this, by itself, may not hurt your site but who would want someone doing something like this to their site?

I posted this mainly for information for other folks and to open an intelligent discussion about both these, and to see if anyone had anything else relevant to bring up. I do find it odd that whoever has done this has been doing it for 7 years now and that they continue to do it.

[DaCaptain]

ive seen this happen to a number of sites, this is not terribly abnormal. try to figure out what keywords you are getting the increased traffic on and improve your bounce rate & time on site. maybe you will stay up there longer the next time. i would also look at changing titles, or content to effect how you show for these searches to see if you can also increase your CTR which might also help keep you on top.

It is not just the keywords that I get traffic for, it is the amount of keywords. My site normally gets traffic for just under 2000 different keywords each day...then it will shoot up to around 6000 during that time frame. Also, phrases like "free porn videos" my site will be around 14th (it used to be in the top 10, sometimes the top 5), then it will drop down to #250.

That said, the site still places top 10 for tons of good keywords, often #1.

Google has said that this is not a manual action (penalty). So something is throwing a filter on the site, in the algorithm, that lasts for 60 days then expires, then is reapplied within about a week.

Why...you've seen this before?

[GirlsOnYou]

A couple of my sites have also been hit with similar negative seo forum links and I got a "google has detected unnatural links to your site" message to my webmaster tools,.. and yes I'm already penalized as well.

I'm gonna go through some bad incoming links, remove what I can and then submit a reconsideration request telling that someone is trying to hurt my site obviously. And pointing to many examples.

[Relentless]

http://boingboing.net/2012/07/20/seo...s-its-ill.html

Worth reading...

[MKA]

Same problems here.

through webmaster tools i discovered about 143 forums where my site was spammed.
Spammed with the weirdest keywords that has NOTHING to do with my site.

for example. " Skanky girl music" used for one of my amateur porn sites. lol

I submitted a request and mentioned these 143 sites and hope google will clean this fucking shit. I will SPAM GOOGLE every day untill they fix this shit..



How to control external backlinks like this anyway ?

[MKA]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Google is pretty smart... they won't hurt your site. If that were the case, a lot of people would be wiping out their competition using that method.

lol.. google is dumb as fuck.

[DaCaptain]

MKA is your site penalized or filtered at Google?

[Klen]

Originally Posted by MKA

Same problems here.

through webmaster tools i discovered about 143 forums where my site was spammed.
Spammed with the weirdest keywords that has NOTHING to do with my site.

for example. " Skanky girl music" used for one of my amateur porn sites. lol

I submitted a request and mentioned these 143 sites and hope google will clean this fucking shit. I will SPAM GOOGLE every day untill they fix this shit..



How to control external backlinks like this anyway ?

Dont think that will do anything because this is not manual penalty,it's algorithm penalty.I think only way to beat that negative seo is to get tons of real organic links.

[Django]

So this is An Adult Webmaster Community

seriously thanks for this thread DaCaptain.

stop questioning negative seo, It Exists

http://www.seobook.com/stop-questioning-negative-seo

[MKA]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Dont think that will do anything because this is not manual penalty,it's algorithm penalty.I think only way to beat that negative seo is to get tons of real organic links.

I'll send them at least 50 consideration request daily untill they do something. Or else, i will do the same shady fucking spam tactic to destroy all sites that are above me in rankings untill i get on 1 again.

[Django]

Originally Posted by MKA

I'll send them at least 50 consideration request daily untill they do something. Or else, i will do the same shady fucking spam tactic to destroy all sites that are above me in rankings untill i get on 1 again.

maybe these 143 bad links are not the only reason of your bad ranking

[MKA]

Originally Posted by DaCaptain

MKA is your site penalized or filtered at Google?

penalized

[MKA]

Originally Posted by Django

maybe these 143 bad links are not the only reason of your bad ranking

It is..
I know my website and i know i have never did anything shady.
100% fair work from the day it got online many many years ago.

Besides, it's google who noticed me of the bad links.
I needed to find out myself which links and it took me a half day to dig into a list of 16.000 urls from past years and find these fucking 143 shit forums.

Dropping from a high rank on page 1 (many many years) to page 143241234 is not just having a bad day/week/month. That is manipulated shit.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Django

stop questioning negative seo, It Exists

Of course it exists, but there's not a lot you can do about those links and stuff or to prevent it from happening again. Besides, real bh negative seo goes a lot further and is a lot more evil than a few xrummer blasts.

The best way to handle it is the same way you handle all other seo related risks: don't put all of your eggs in one basket.

Instead of building one site and hoping for the best and begging Big G to reconsider when they drop/penalize your site, just build more sites and hide who owns them.

A swarm of mosquitoes is harder to hit than an elephant.

[DaCaptain]

So this is An Adult Webmaster Community

seriously thanks for this thread DaCaptain.

You're welcome.

[DaCaptain]

MKA, I don't think that sending Google 50 requests per day is the answer.

Django, my site has over 1300.

Google considers a penalty to be a manual action. If something causes the algorithm to not rank your site as high as it has been, Google does not consider that a penalty. Any webmaster that has enjoyed years of top rankings, however, does consider it a penalty whether it is manual or algorithmic, when their site falls.

That said, if someone else causes your site to fall, even if it is algorithmic, Google should at least know about it. One webmaster reporting it won't make much noise, however if a group of webmasters approaches Google they could change their algorithm.

I am not convinced that those links have hurt my site, however it is suspicious that whoever is doing this does it to numerous sites and continues to do it to this day. Normally, people will not continue an action (especially over a period of years) without some return in their investment of that action.

I suspect that there are quite a few websites that have fallen, and that this could be part of the problem at the very least, and that the owners of those websites are either under the impression that it was something that they themselves did that caused their sites' fall, or just algorithmic changes that they have yet to keep up with/discover/whatever.

[Django]

Originally Posted by MKA

It is..
I know my website and i know i have never did anything shady.
100% fair work from the day it got online many many years ago.

Panda, Penguin.. are algorithm changes (April 2012)

u-Bob is always very clear

ok