Why not fight to ban nudity online unless....

[SmutHammer]

Everyone bitches about ratio's and tube sites, etc. "the golden days are over..." Why don't companies ban together and try to make online nudity illegal unless you prove your 18 by using your credit card to join sites. Sure everyone would have to redesign their sites, but you can make tons of non-nude promo material for affiliates, and ratio's would go sky high for everybody....

[Barefootsies]

Kids can purchase pre-paid credit cards at the gas station.

That being said, I am against an adult ghetto like .XXX, however I would like to see adult behind an 18+. I do not run a traffic network, so I do not give a shit about non-buying window shoppers, underage kids, people from third world countries, etc..

I am only interested in those who have credit cards, are willing to use them, and are looking for my wares. A lot less traffic? Sure. But I do not get paid in traffic. I get paid in actual converting SALES and RETENTION.

[MichaelP]

in a perfect world ...

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Kids can purchase pre-paid credit cards at the gas station.

thats why other countries have developed other ways which work - no HC porn on .de domains

[SmutHammer]

I know this would never happen, just never heard anyone mention it.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I know this would never happen, just never heard anyone mention it.

It's been discussed many times over the years. But it would never be done within the industry.

You would crush the traffic selling business overnight. Much, not all, of their traffic sources come from freeloaders, third world counties, bots, and alike. Their traffic would drop like an iron turd. Essentially putting them out of business.

[Rochard]

I would never happen. You couldn't get all companies to do it - it would involve everyone going back over everything they've ever done and replacing it. Imagine telling Freeones or The Hun they would have to go back over every gallery and removed nude content....

Then factor in that even if you got it all in place, one or two people would violate it just to get the edge on everyone else.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Then factor in that even if you got it all in place, one or two people would violate it just to get the edge on everyone else.

[SmutHammer]

I'm sure it would make things very difficult for everybody. but the ratio of people buying porn would make it all worth it. Freeones would need alot of changes, but once they were done I'm sure they would make 10x's the money they make now.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I'm sure it would make things very difficult for everybody. but the ratio of people buying porn would make it all worth it. Freeones would need alot of changes, but once they were done I'm sure they would make 10x's the money they make now.

There is only one way you could make this happen, and it's at the processor level.

It's easy enough to get all pay sites to comply. All affiliate programs would then need to police their affiliates, and terminate anyone in violation. While this does not wipe out everyone per se, you would hit a good 80-90% who need processing in some way.

Whether as an affiliate, pay site owner, clip store, etc.. Only those who are not relying on that sort of revenue stream, would basically ignore this restriction. However, even file lockers or alike typically have some sort of "premium membership", which still relies on processing.

That being said, I believe this would be a slippery slope in regards to censorship. Most would not want to open that box.

[grumpy]

.xxx will solve that problem.

[geekyfox]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

It's been discussed many times over the years. But it would never be done within the industry.

You would crush the traffic selling business overnight. Much, not all, of their traffic sources come from freeloaders, third world counties, bots, and alike. Their traffic would drop like an iron turd. Essentially putting them out of business.

If we are talking about sellers of very low quality traffic, the'll be out of business soon anyway...

[pornguy]

because its agains Visa and MC TOS to say that the credit card use is to prove age?

[TisMe]

For one thing, it is impossible, as in NOT possible, to know who is at a particular computer. It simply can NOT be done.

I can have all your info, answer any question put to me about you, but that doesn't prove that you are at the computer.

Age verification simply can NOT be accomplished in any way that is even close to foolproof.

Mentioned above how prepaid cards can be bought by anyone of any age, and that MC/Visa forbid the use of their cards or name for age verification purposes.

[MaDalton]

i always love how people say it cannot work when meanwhile a whole country has implemented that.

they are just stupid cause they think the internet ends on their TLD

if billing companies would work this out worldwide it would be awesome

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i always love how people say it cannot work when meanwhile a whole country has implemented that.

I was in Germany a few weeks ago and I could access free HC porn sites without a problem.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by TisMe

For one thing, it is impossible, as in NOT possible, to know who is at a particular computer. It simply can NOT be done.

q f t

[u-Bob]

If you look at history, you'll see this in every sector:

High profit margins lead to an increase in supply. The increase in supply leads to lower prices and lower profit margins.

Some will try to recreate the situation where margins were still high by lobbying for certain legal limitations and barriers of entry into the market.

Those that ultimately keep growing are those that keep supplying the customer with what the customer is willing to pay for.

I suggest focusing on that last part instead of wasting time and resources on a Utopian option that can never work and has the added danger of government censorship and the herding of adult sites into online ghettos where those in control of the keys would be a few major corporations with the right political connections.

[signupdamnit]

There is no global entity capable of mandating this. So all that would likely happen is you might outlaw the free porn in countries like the US and UK so all those webmasters have to shut down or change their sites. Then the people in countries like the Ukraine will have a field day supplying everyone with free porn.

We can't even stop rampant piracy let alone pull something like this off. Worse yet 80% of GFY kisses the ass of some of the biggest pirates. AVN even invites them to give the keynote speech.

Not that I do not agree with you. I was a webmaster in the late 90s and it was ridiculously easy to make $1000s a day with little effort. A big part of that was the lack of free porn in comparison to today. People expected to have to pay.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by TisMe

For one thing, it is impossible, as in NOT possible, to know who is at a particular computer. It simply can NOT be done.

I can have all your info, answer any question put to me about you, but that doesn't prove that you are at the computer.

Age verification simply can NOT be accomplished in any way that is even close to foolproof.

Mentioned above how prepaid cards can be bought by anyone of any age, and that MC/Visa forbid the use of their cards or name for age verification purposes.

it wouldn't need to be fool proof, you would get rid of a very high % of underage people, it would knock out the idea "porn is free" it would make an insane difference.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

I was in Germany a few weeks ago and I could access free HC porn sites without a problem.

thats not the point, you misread my post

there is no free HC porn on .de domains, the government is just too stupid to understand that everyone can just go to the other TLDs

but the system that german porn companies llike Fundorado have to use, shows that you can still make money - even with an age verification process

and if that was implemented worldwide...

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Then factor in that even if you got it all in place, one or two people would violate it just to get the edge on everyone else.

QFT... I think that's the bottom line of it and part of the reason TGP2 was such a monumental failure. For all the people banding together for a positive impact you have the few who will see the advantage to themselves of giving more for free and will laugh at others trying to retrain surfers. The one who try will see their traffic, bookmarkers and earnings going away and quickly switch back.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Ludicrous ...

Notwithstanding the issuance of world government IDs with retina scanning computer devices it is not possible to prove identity and age online.
But Moral Majority and other Bible thumpers may like the plan ...

Looking for laws to solve this industry's financial plight is like pissing in the wind.

[- Jesus Christ -]

Kill free speech to make a buck. Nice morality.

[Dennis69]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

There is only one way you could make this happen, and it's at the processor level.

Thats where you are wrong... what about hosting? Hosting could have a should control over what is given away for free and what is kept in a members area!!!

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Dennis69

Thats where you are wrong... what about hosting? Hosting could have a should control over what is given away for free and what is kept in a members area!!!

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

thats not the point, you misread my post

there is no free HC porn on .de domains, the government is just too stupid to understand that everyone can just go to the other TLDs

but the system that german porn companies llike Fundorado have to use, shows that you can still make money - even with an age verification process

I didn't misread it. I'm pointing out the flaws behind it. Flaws that you yourself are aware of. Putting restrictions on local companies will only put them at a disadvantage. Even if they are still able to survive, they won't be making what they could be making if the restrictions hadn't been put into place.

and if that was implemented worldwide...

and if we could ban the automobile, carriage makers would again be able to make tons of money. wishful thinking.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

Kill free speech to make a buck. Nice morality.

It's straight from Paul Markham's book on how to get rich and retire early.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

I didn't misread it. I'm pointing out the flaws behind it. Flaws that you yourself are aware of. Putting restrictions on local companies will only put them at a disadvantage. Even if they are still able to survive, they won't be making what they could be making if the restrictions hadn't been put into place.


and if we could ban the automobile, carriage makers would again be able to make tons of money. wishful thinking.

since you insist on personal freedom, i am taking the freedom to dream of an internet without free HC porn where 12 year olds can not jerk of to The Hun (sorry, Patrick )

[martinsc]

so many dreams.... so little time.... .

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

since you insist on personal freedom, i am taking the freedom to dream of an internet without free HC porn where 12 year olds can not jerk of to The Hun (sorry, Patrick )

Nothing wrong with dreaming. And as long as you don't try to force your dreams onto others, you can even try to make your dreams come true.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by pornguy

because its agains Visa and MC TOS to say that the credit card use is to prove age?

BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!


There was legistlation that tried to push this idea through about 7 or 8 years ago, but the card associations did not want to be restricted in their ability to market products to those under 18.

It is now easy for underage kids to get a hold of pre-paid MC and V products.




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[Freaky_Akula]

Why not make gay sex illegal! Then gay prostitutes and gay porn will go up in price!