What will Romney do yo put the US back in the black?

[Paul Markham]

All we hear here are the sound bites, yet to see anything that is constructive about solving America problems. I'm sure he has the plans sketched out and is telling Americans. So can people here who will vote for him tell us what his plans are. PLEASE.

[BIGTYMER]

Nothing. It's all political theatre.

[mozadek]

Cut funding to PBS, stop giving welfare to blacks, eliminate all business crippling regulation, tax cuts for the rich so they can create jobs, eliminate medicare and give Grandma a voucher to shop for insurance.

[kane]

Nothing. If he wins the democrats will likely still hold the senate and they will likely block pretty much anything he wants to do that they don't approve of just as the republicans have to Obama.

In short it will be four more years of gridlock.

The same is likely true if Obama wins.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by kane

Nothing. If he wins the democrats will likely still hold the senate and they will likely block pretty much anything he wants to do that they don't approve of just as the republicans have to Obama.

In short it will be four more years of gridlock.

The same is likely true if Obama wins.

Bingo.

And since the average voter is too stupid to realize this, they will waste their gas driving to the polls on election day.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by mozadek

Cut funding to PBS, stop giving welfare to blacks, eliminate all business crippling regulation, tax cuts for the rich so they can create jobs, eliminate medicare and give Grandma a voucher to shop for insurance.

Romney is rich but his company didn't create very many jobs.. They were in the business of cutting jobs. That is literally what his company did while he was there and still does today. They buy up companies in trouble and piece them out like a car at a junkyard then junk the rest.

Most rich people just want to keep getting richer and most do not create a lot of jobs. Businessmen create jobs and they come in all levels of society and the bulk are middle class. For every Donald Trump or Mit Romney there are hundreds to thousands of small business that employ 1 to 10 people.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Nothing. It's all political theatre.

So why do people swallow it?

I watch these conventions and the first thing I think is, who's paying for it and why?

Then I listen to the speeches and they amount to nothing solid, then the wives and families from Stepford troop out. And I think, so fucking what. He could be a sheep shagger for all I care, can he solve the problem?

The Western World has huge problems as the balance swings away from them to other countries. China will not keep just producing plastic toys and iPods. It's got a Space Program, it will educate and care for it's population, well those who aren't fodder, and it will take industry and power from those who think they have a given right to it.

America has no given right to be the number 1 power in the world. It has some resources like farming, oil, minerals, etc. Yet so do many other places in the world. Orientals know how to adapt.


Hong Kong 1950 and today.




Bejing 1960 and today.





New York 1960 and today.





Who is growing the fastest?

[beemk]

Bad argument as usual paul. NYC was already huge and didn't need to grow. How about Miami?





or vegas

[Barry-xlovecam]

#8 Offshore the US Treasury
#7 Outsource the US Marine Corps
#6 End Welfare
#5 Establish Soylent Green Plants
#4 Sell the US Capital Building to BP
#3 Appoint Solomon Brothers the head of the Fed ...
#2 Buy the KY Factory with your Medicaid Money the Ryan Plan will save ...



Meet the Romney Administration Preview

And last but not least ...

# 1 Ban Hardcore Porn and put us all in prison
( or go broke paying lawyers).

How to outshit a bullshitter ...

[wehateporn]

He wants war with Russia

[nico-t]

Shut the fuck up, Paul.

[bronco67]

People are realizing what Republicans are all about. The next one that gets in there is going to rape the system for 4 years so them and their buddies can get richer.

I watched the Republican convention, and I've watched the first night of the Democratic. I just like the democrats message better and the crowd is more diverse racially. The Republicans just came off as selfish and negative, barely spoke about education -- and some of the shit that came out of their mouths was just plain lies.

They'll do nothing to get us back in the black, but you can be sure a small group of people will get richer. I can't wait for all of these old white people to finally die. We need some more progressive minds running the country.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by crockett

Romney is rich but his company didn't create very many jobs.. They were in the business of cutting jobs. That is literally what his company did while he was there and still does today. They buy up companies in trouble and piece them out like a car at a junkyard then junk the rest.

Most rich people just want to keep getting richer and most do not create a lot of jobs. Businessmen create jobs and they come in all levels of society and the bulk are middle class. For every Donald Trump or Mit Romney there are hundreds to thousands of small business that employ 1 to 10 people.

One of the speakers at the DNC said something along of the lines of Romney has made his money not by building anything, but by destroying. The guy is a corporate raider and it'll be really sad if that scumbag gets elected president.

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Nothing. It's all political theatre.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by beemk

Bad argument as usual paul. NYC was already huge and didn't need to grow. How about Miami?





or vegas

So for Vegas you show the casinos.

Can't say about Miami.

Sticking your head in sand doesn't remove the truth.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by bronco67

They'll do nothing to get us back in the black, but you can be sure a small group of people will get richer. I can't wait for all of these old white people to finally die. We need some more progressive minds running the country.

If Romney gets his way they will be from the elite who can afford an education. And they will think like their Fathers.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If Romney gets his way they will be from the elite who can afford an education. And they will think like their Fathers.

new "old white men" will replace the old "old white men".

[Tom_PM]

The same won't be exactly true if Obama wins because Obama has nothing left to run for if he gets a second term. He simply won't have to give a damn about polls and whether he's viewed as re-electable ever again. That's the beauty of a second term. He won't need to "compromise" with people who want to destroy him anymore to look like he's playing nice.

[Just Alex]

Rectal itch

[Freaky_Akula]

He will continue most of Obama's policies the same way Obama continued most of Bush's policies. For Change, vote Gary Johnson!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by bronco67

young "old white men" will replace the old "old white men".

Edited to make it correct.

What I wonder is why is the Midwest voting for people who promise to cut spending, shouldn't they be scared Romney will cut Farm Subsidies and spending in their area? </sarcasm>

No one who votes for a "Cut Spending" party ever dreams they will cut spending they rely on.

[DudeRick]

Great...
Now the senile old fucker thinks he can run the US economy!

[Best-In-BC]

bACK IN THE bLACK ? wHEN WAS THAT

[Barry-xlovecam]

Obama:
Taxpayers Paying $73,000 Per Job Saved at General Motors !
http://pilogic.net/2012/01/28/update...rs-37-billion/

Romney:
One of his (Massachusetts Governor Romney *) biggest wins came near the end of his term in 2006, when Massachusetts won a bidding war with other states, convincing pharmaceutical giant Bristol-Myers Squibb to build a $750 million plant at the former Fort Devens army base.

Romney touted the victory at a press conference, saying the state, with approval by the Legislature, had offered $60 million in incentives to the company to build its plant in Massachusetts, where it would eventually employ as many as 550 workers.

But records show the state only required Bristol-Myers Squibb to hire 350 workers to receive the tax breaks. And less than two months after Romney left office, MassDevelopment, a quasi-public development agency led by a Romney appointee, finalized an agreement reducing Bristol-Myers Squibb?s property taxes by more than $40 million over 20 years, bringing total incentives to more than $100 million.

The deal provided one of the biggest tax incentive packages in state history. And it meant that the state would ultimately pay about $250,000 for each of the 400 jobs that exist at the plant today.

http://www.boston.com/businessupdate...h2M/story.html

Now figure the income tax recapture time on the respective job initiatives ...

The jobs at Bristol-Myers Squibb may pay more but the current tax cuts reduce the revenue cash flow back.

It's less expensive to save jobs than to create them?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DudeRick

Great...
Now the senile old fucker thinks he can run the US economy!

Well can you pick holes in my ideas?

If not, I suppose stupid posts are an alternative. So

[madm1k3]

He will go to war with Iran and the Pentagon will hand out trillions in contracts to defense firms.

It will basically go back to the Bush/Cheney years of endless wars, but at least they will create a lot of new jobs in Iran

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by kane

Nothing. If he wins the democrats will likely still hold the senate and they will likely block pretty much anything he wants to do that they don't approve of just as the republicans have to Obama.

In short it will be four more years of gridlock.

The same is likely true if Obama wins.

Well if you believe what the Obama supporters are saying and believe the economy is booming then gridlock is the way to go.

[stevecos]

Looks like its all fine until you read the facts, Yes we can pay more

U.S. Debt Now $16 trillion
U.S. Debt Now $136,260 Per Household—Up 50% Under Obama
interest rates near 0% 12 Months CD paying 0.90%
largest tax increase in U.S. history coming with Obama Care

The median U.S. family income is about $50,000. Family health coverage can easily run $20,000 a year — and rising quickly. In that scenario, the coverage mandate is essentially a 40 percent tax on that family, which is now required by law to ensure that every family member has qualifying coverage.

[kane]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Well if you believe what the Obama supporters are saying and believe the economy is booming then gridlock is the way to go.

I don't think the economy is booming by any means, however, I think it is slowly improving. I think one of the problems we have is that we are expecting to much too quickly. This doesn't mean that Obama has fucked up, he has, but this was supposedly the worst recession since the depression. I think it is fair to say that it may take more than a few years to fully recover from.

[keysync]

Found this interesting read.
Obama wrong about the jobs "he created"

[kane]

Originally Posted by keysync

Found this interesting read.
Obama wrong about the jobs "he created"

Actually if you read the article he is correct. There have been 4.5 million jobs created since Jan 2010. However, there were heavy losses prior to that so his administration has only seen a net gain of 300K.

The question is do you blame Obama for the big losses in his first few months in office or do you attribute those to something he inherited?

[Robbie]

If it were me...I would take the reigns off the energy companies a bit and let them build the keystone pipeline (1 million new HIGH PAYING jobs...plus add the jobs in the towns along the route that will service the workers: restaurants, bars, clothing stores, gas stations, grocery stores).
Also the oil companies just found an oil strike in Alaska that they are saying is bigger than all the oil in Saudi Arabia. Let them get it out.

That creates high paying jobs, expands the tax base, brings in more revenue, lowers energy costs...which in turn lowers the cost of EVERYTHING.

I almost choked when Obama denied the Keystone Pipeline. If he had just shown some balls in the face of his cronies who are making bank on the currently non-working "green energy" then I believe he could have turned the economy around and be winning re-election in a landslide.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by kane

Actually if you read the article he is correct. There have been 4.5 million jobs created since Jan 2010. However, there were heavy losses prior to that so his administration has only seen a net gain of 300K.

Nope.

Just watched on CNN today they were talking about this with Ron Emanuel.
There is a 500,000 job DEFICIT since Obama took office. 4.5 million new jobs happened. 5 million were lost.

And even Emanuel admitted that the jobs that have been created are low paying and temp type jobs. Nothing like the jobs that were lost since Obama took office.

[CyberHustler]

[keysync]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Nope.

Just watched on CNN today they were talking about this with Ron Emanuel.
There is a 500,000 job DEFICIT since Obama took office. 4.5 million new jobs happened. 5 million were lost.

And even Emanuel admitted that the jobs that have been created are low paying and temp type jobs. Nothing like the jobs that were lost since Obama took office.

YEP!

Smoke and mirrors.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So for Vegas you show the casinos.

Sticking your head in sand doesn't remove the truth.

Paul you make the dumbest statements.

Vegas had less than 200,000 people in 1960
It has 2 MILLION people today

And the reason he showed the casinos...is the same reason you showed the financial center in Hong Kong. It's the main economy.

Why do you suddenly think you are an expert on the U.S. or world economy? You're from England. Which is damn near socialist. And you live in Eastern Europe...socialist. Both England and Eastern Europe are on the verge of financial collapse as well.

Maybe instead of trying (and failing) to comment on the U.S. economy...you should turn your expertise to helping your native country (England) figure out how they are going to keep paying out all the social programs they have when they are running out of money.

[peterk]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

All we hear here are the sound bites, yet to see anything that is constructive about solving America problems. I'm sure he has the plans sketched out and is telling Americans. So can people here who will vote for him tell us what his plans are. PLEASE.

he will hire paul shitham to make sure ever house has the correct bathroom to bedroom ratio.

[stevecos]

Nothing to worry about. Wheres Romney's taxes

A record 44.7 million people received food stamps in fiscal 2011, up from 28.2 million as recently as 2008. The cost has more than doubled in that same period, to $78 billion, One in seven Americans now qualifies.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Amsterdam 14th century:



Amsterdam 1655:



Amsterdam around 1900:



Amsterdam today:



on to the next 700 years

[Struggle4Bucks]

oh btw... Hong Kong was not build by Asians... it was build by Britain...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Trying to revitalize the industries of the last century is a dead end.

Funding basic research into nano technologies and new non fossil fuel resources -- technologies that could be licensed for profit world wide is the only solution.

And our Neanderthal Republican and Democrat parties are just appealing to the lowest common denominator. Soup in every pot bullshit as usual.

Check the World Bank datasets and do some calculations then you might get a clue of what is really happening here and in the world -- factor inflation into the GDI of the time periods you are arguing;

Adjusted for inflation
2004-2008 -7% USA GDI
2008-2011 -4% USA GDI

We are losing less ground today

The loss is less but that is not growing and moving forward.

You cannot buy jobs -- it's make work - a stopgap. You need disruptive innovation to create demand and to achieve that you need to spend money on basic research and get lucky. Not and easy task but we have done this over and over in the nation's history. Trying to do what we were doing ten years ago is not going to create a future, only failure and bellyaching.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT]
Funding basic research into nano technologies and new non fossil fuel resources -- technologies that could be licensed for profit world wide is the only solution.

We don't need to "research" non fossil fuel resources. They are already available. But they are priced out of reach to be practical.

Also...I heard this the other day and I think it makes perfect sense: When you show me a way to get a jet airliner off the ground using "green" energy...that's the day it's viable.

Right now, we should be exploring and getting the U.S.'s natural resources for energy. The policy of trying to get blood from a stone by driving up energy costs (and the cost of EVERYTHING along with it) on a country full of unemployed and underemployed people is a horrible "tax" all unto itself.

I'm sick of funding goddamn crazy ass muslim countries and making them oil rich billionaires while they hate our guts and want to kill us.

Let's get our OWN energy, it will be plenty to last far past our lifetimes, and in the meantime...as technology continues to change and grow...continue working on a real alternative to fossil fuels.
This would get our economy back on track, put people to work, bring costs down...and allow us to just let those crazy fucks in the mid-east rot in the desert.

[DudeRick]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Shut the fuck up, Paul.

Nobel Economists Back Mitt Romney's Plan

Ok, since its not your nap time yet, lets just start with energy policy. Quit kissing the environmentalists asses and demonetizing oil coal and natural gas production. Approve the Keystone pipeline and immediately provide 20,000 badly needed high paying American jobs, reduce fuel prices and lower our dependence on foreign oil. I have no problem with solar, wind and other "green" energy sources if they can stand on their own. Obama's insistence on green energy development while trying to kill traditional sources of energy is one of the reasons why our economy has been unable to recover in addition to his constant threat of higher taxes, tighter regulation, skyrocketing debt and the fear of Obamacare. Not to mention killing incentive to succeed in this country, because if you do, you will be one of the evil rich, the 1%! You don't deserve that, you didn't build that! He's going to take it and redistribute it ...

Energy policy is just one of his five points, all of which will combine to reverse the mess that his term in office has caused!

Flame away Democrats!

[Rochard]

I honestly believe that anyone who makes it to the White House does so with honest and good intentions. However, saying "I will balance the budget" or "I will fix our debt" is easy to say. Making it happen is difficult at best and nearly impossible under these circumstances.

I have yet to hear a concrete plan from Romney. Maybe if he was to announce what his plans were he would do better in the polls.

[tony286]

let me tell you whats going to happen. He will say we didnt realize things were as bad as we are seeing they are. And they will start spending and say things like deficits don't matter. You have to remember Ryan voted for all of W's spending. Read the two Santa Claus theory.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by DudeRick

Nobel Economists Back Mitt Romney's Plan

Ok, since its not your nap time yet, lets just start with energy policy. Quit kissing the environmentalists asses and demonetizing oil coal and natural gas production. Approve the Keystone pipeline and immediately provide 20,000 badly needed high paying American jobs, reduce fuel prices and lower our dependence on foreign oil. I have no problem with solar, wind and other "green" energy sources if they can stand on their own. Obama's insistence on green energy development while trying to kill traditional sources of energy is one of the reasons why our economy has been unable to recover in addition to his constant threat of higher taxes, tighter regulation, skyrocketing debt and the fear of Obamacare. Not to mention killing incentive to succeed in this country, because if you do, you will be one of the evil rich, the 1%! You don't deserve that, you didn't build that! He's going to take it and redistribute it ...

Energy policy is just one of his five points, all of which will combine to reverse the mess that his term in office has caused!

Flame away Democrats!

Maybe you dont know but oil is traded globally so it doesnt work that way.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ort/52298812/1
"For the first time, the top export of the United States, the world's biggest gas guzzler, is — wait for it — fuel."
so all that drill baby drill is another lie you are told so you serve others interests.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I honestly believe that anyone who makes it to the White House does so with honest and good intentions. However, saying "I will balance the budget" or "I will fix our debt" is easy to say. Making it happen is difficult at best and nearly impossible under these circumstances.

I have yet to hear a concrete plan from Romney. Maybe if he was to announce what his plans were he would do better in the polls.

Perhaps you should read the post directly above the post you made. These were the words he spoke at the convention. It is a plan. And a good one.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by tony286

let me tell you whats going to happen. He will say we didnt realize things were as bad as we are seeing they are. And they will start spending and say things like deficits don't matter. You have to remember Ryan voted for all of W's spending. Read the two Santa Claus theory.

And you can continue to Hope for that Change. But personally, after nearly 4 years of waiting I can say with a degree of confidence that with Obama, you will simply continue to wait.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

Nothing. If he wins the democrats will likely still hold the senate and they will likely block pretty much anything he wants to do that they don't approve of just as the republicans have to Obama.

In short it will be four more years of gridlock.

The same is likely true if Obama wins.

I hardly think that when the democrats control the white house, house and senate, anyone can be accused on "blocking" them from doing anything.

However, one of Obamas best political moves was characterizing Republicans as "the party of no" - so it would always be win/win for him no matter what the facts where.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Minte

And you can continue to Hope for that Change. But personally, after nearly 4 years of waiting I can say with a degree of confidence that with Obama, you will simply continue to wait.

Actually I don't but I work in adult and the president will be picking supreme court justices. Also the market is at 13k and corp profits are at record highs. Jobs sent overseas ain't coming back no matter who is president. I'm a liberal and Obama isn't , he is a Rockefeller republican at best.