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slapass · 10-08-2012, 08:47 AM

They could launch a cam site and be as big as LJ in a week. I wonder why they don't?

xNetworx · 10-08-2012, 08:48 AM

Wondering the same

robwod · 10-08-2012, 08:50 AM

Don't they already own webcams.com?

http://www.trademarkia.com/webcamscom-85397231.html

xNetworx · 10-08-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by robwod

Don't they already own webcams.com?

http://www.trademarkia.com/webcamscom-85397231.html

I believe they do but they don't push it hard on their big tube sites

TheSquealer · 10-08-2012, 08:52 AM

I would guess that if cams were at the top of the revenue food chain for them, they'd spend more on cams. Clearly its not high on their list of priorities.

DWB · 10-08-2012, 08:52 AM

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xNetworx · 10-08-2012, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I would guess that if cams were at the top of the revenue food chain for them, they'd spend more on cams. Clearly its not high on their list of priorities.

Considering live cams have massive visibility on their tube sites, I will have to disagree with this assumption.

TheSquealer · 10-08-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CamBoss

Considering live cams have massive visibility on their tube sites, I will have to disagree with this assumption.

Cams are on every tube site. That doesn't mean cams are a priority for everyone. I've seen some of manwins numbers a few years back, cams aren't a top earner for them. It's not like those popunders are converting at 1:50. Probably more like 1:10K or something, whereas ads for paysites, affiliate links, penis pills etc do much better.

If they own webcams.com and they are not promoting webcams.com - then i would say is clear that cams aren't a priority for them in their business development. Webcams.com probably has some pretty bad economics and it makes more money to promote streamate at a straight 35% than to try to develop their own and try to make > 50%

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 09:00 AM

A few months back Fabian eluded to the launch of an upcoming cam project from them. I figured it was probably going to be an MFC style clone. I've always found it interesting that they own webcams.com, yet push streamate white labels on all their tubes and within their paysites.

TheSquealer · 10-08-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

A few months back Fabian eluded to the launch of an upcoming cam project from them. I figured it was probably going to be an MFC style clone. I've always found it interesting that they own webcams.com, yet push streamate white labels on all their tubes and within their paysites.

I would guess it converts so poorly as is, that its not worth it. It was probably shelved for a massive redevelopment and re-launch.

digitalfantasies · 10-08-2012, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I've always found it interesting that they own webcams.com, yet push streamate white labels on all their tubes and within their paysites.

there is probably another reason for that... probably has something to do with advertising and more money for them

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I would guess it converts so poorly as is, that its not worth it. It was probably shelved for a massive redevelopment and re-launch.

Yeah, I agree, plus they had most of the streamate white labels in place before the webcams.com acquisition and had already built up a nice stream of revshare. I used to convert webcams.com nicely then ratios went to hell right after the Manwin buyout.

beks001 · 10-08-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

there is probably another reason for that... probably has something to do with advertising and more money for them

Yatzee! They prob sell the spot and make more on the spot versus pushing them selves. Sums it all up there.

slapass · 10-08-2012, 09:50 AM

So why would Streammate make a deal where they lose money? In the old days, I would say they make it up by volume at other sites so keeping the models filled with customers is good thing etc. Now days where is the other big source of traffic? If you are losing cash on the deal with 50% of your traffic then...???

I know focus on my shit and leave them alone. They are the big whale in this industry so it is hard not to reflect on what they are doing.

AllAboutCams · 10-08-2012, 09:51 AM

Im going to give them a try looks interesting

adultmobile · 10-08-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Webcams.com probably has some pretty bad economics and it makes more money to promote streamate at a straight 35% than to try to develop their own and try to make > 50%

New or small cam site + tins of tube traffic = fail too, not necessarily a success.
As example xhamster sure got traffic, they lanched own cams:

http://xhamster.com/cams

There's less models online than my site, and those models there I know say there's so few tips or pay users really. I am 101% sure if xhamster sends same traffic to a streamate whitelabel this is lots more $$ for them.

Run a cam site is not a joke unless you're one of the top 3-4 cam sites already, and so in general you make more money by whitelabel traffic to the top 3-4 cam site than take "all" from traffic sent to your own cam site = 100% of little sales.
This is true for everyone including manwin.
Webcams.com is cute but is too small. They had to buy streamate or livejasmin but probably too much expensive. Manwin is too smart to think they send traffic to "new cam site" or to webcams.com and it becomes the #1 cam site, eventually they may have tried a few months too.

arock10 · 10-08-2012, 10:18 AM

Cams is a giant revshare model versus paysites which is closer to fixed costs for content the larger you scale up.

Paul Markham · 10-08-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

New or small cam site + tins of tube traffic = fail too, not necessarily a success.
As example xhamster sure got traffic, they lanched own cams:

http://xhamster.com/cams

There's less models online than my site, and those models there I know say there's so few tips or pay users really. I am 101% sure if xhamster sends same traffic to a streamate whitelabel this is lots more $$ for them.

Run a cam site is not a joke unless you're one of the top 3-4 cam sites already, and so in general you make more money by whitelabel traffic to the top 3-4 cam site than take "all" from traffic sent to your own cam site = 100% of little sales.
This is true for everyone including manwin.
Webcams.com is cute but is too small. They had to buy streamate or livejasmin but probably too much expensive. Manwin is too smart to think they send traffic to "new cam site" or to webcams.com and it becomes the #1 cam site, eventually they may have tried a few months too.

http://xhamster.com/view_cam.php?id=2807483 seen more excitement watching paint dry.

http://xhamster.com/view_cam.php?id=2616247 bit better.

http://xhamster.com/view_cam.php?id=3091044 it's a guy

http://xhamster.com/view_cam.php?id=3779264

http://xhamster.com/view_cam.php?id=2781042

Seriously total shit.

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by beks001

Yatzee! They prob sell the spot and make more on the spot versus pushing them selves. Sums it all up there.

Uh no, both of you are wrong, they push their own white labels.

RyuLion · 10-08-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

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slapass · 10-08-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

New or small cam site + tins of tube traffic = fail too, not necessarily a success.
As example xhamster sure got traffic, they lanched own cams:

http://xhamster.com/cams

There's less models online than my site, and those models there I know say there's so few tips or pay users really. I am 101% sure if xhamster sends same traffic to a streamate whitelabel this is lots more $$ for them.

Run a cam site is not a joke unless you're one of the top 3-4 cam sites already, and so in general you make more money by whitelabel traffic to the top 3-4 cam site than take "all" from traffic sent to your own cam site = 100% of little sales.
This is true for everyone including manwin.
Webcams.com is cute but is too small. They had to buy streamate or livejasmin but probably too much expensive. Manwin is too smart to think they send traffic to "new cam site" or to webcams.com and it becomes the #1 cam site, eventually they may have tried a few months too.

Sorry we are not talking about the same size of deal here. See the thread on big tube's traffic. Manwin has 10 times the traffic with one tube then xhamster.

slapass · 10-08-2012, 11:46 AM

And what brought this to mind is that LJ is going public and is worth millions. They do it with Manwin's traffic. That has got to make them think.

mikesouth · 10-08-2012, 11:54 AM

And then manwin launches a free cam site and devalues that market so they can buy it all up

Roald · 10-08-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

And then manwin launches a free cam site and devalues that market so they can buy it all up

You mean like myfreecams did?

DWB · 10-08-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald

You mean like myfreecams did?

Did MFC cripple everyone and buy them up? No.

MFC doesn't have the brainpower, finances, or ability to do the kind of damage Manwin can do. MFC really isn't even that big. It's just popular because.... wait for it... 96% of the guys there get a free show.

Roald · 10-08-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Did MFC cripple everyone and buy them up? No.

MFC doesn't have the brainpower, finances, or ability to do the kind of damage Manwin can do. MFC really isn't even that big. It's just popular because.... wait for it... 96% of the guys there get a free show.

Oh ok

slapass · 10-08-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Did MFC cripple everyone and buy them up? No.

MFC doesn't have the brainpower, finances, or ability to do the kind of damage Manwin can do. MFC really isn't even that big. It's just popular because.... wait for it... 96% of the guys there get a free show.

The other 4% tip like hell though.

adultmobile · 10-08-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Did MFC cripple everyone and buy them up? No.

MFC doesn't have the brainpower, finances, or ability to do the kind of damage Manwin can do. MFC really isn't even that big. It's just popular because.... wait for it... 96% of the guys there get a free show.

Tell me any site even old times where more than 4% of the people buy after watch a tgp gallery? That's even a very very good ratio, 1:24... so I wished I got 1:24 sale ratio on tube traffic, any else wished?

lazycash · 10-08-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Did MFC cripple everyone and buy them up? No.

MFC doesn't have the brainpower, finances, or ability to do the kind of damage Manwin can do. MFC really isn't even that big. It's just popular because.... wait for it... 96% of the guys there get a free show.

MFC didn't cripple anyone, but their emergence in the cam arena the last 5 years brought on change within many of the top cam programs. VS offering free public nudity, Streamate launching "gold" public nude tipping and cams.com launching stripshow.

You're probably right with respect to MFC not being able to do what Manwin could, but I've never had the feeling Leo wants to do anything like Manwin is doing. He does one thing well and continues attracting some of the top cam talent. As far as MFC not being big, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this. They are right up there with Streamate and LJ for biggest cam site.

mikesouth · 10-08-2012, 02:04 PM

and manwin buys streamate

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1084543

hmmmm

rabbit · 10-08-2012, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

Did MFC cripple everyone and buy them up? No.

MFC doesn't have the brainpower, finances, or ability to do the kind of damage Manwin can do. MFC really isn't even that big. It's just popular because.... wait for it... 96% of the guys there get a free show.

its obvious you've never sent traffic to mfc revshare and compared to traffic sent to other cam sites

adultmobile · 10-08-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

and manwin buys streamate

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1084543

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	So why would Streammate make a deal where they lose money? In the old days, I would say they make it up by volume at other sites so keeping the models filled with customers is good thing etc. Now days where is the other big source of traffic? If you are losing cash on the deal with 50% of your traffic then...??? I know focus on my shit and leave them alone. They are the big whale in this industry so it is hard not to reflect on what they are doing.

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	And what brought this to mind is that LJ is going public and is worth millions. They do it with Manwin's traffic. That has got to make them think.

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