Why We're Better Off Having No Twinkies

[cthulhu_waves]

If you want to read more about the circumstances that led to the company that made Twinkies to close down, read here.

[_Richard_]

"Some creditors question Hostess pay raises approved in late July.

Brian Driscoll, CEO, around $750,000 to $2,550,000.
Gary Wandschneider, EVP, $500,000 to $900,000.
John Stewart, EVP, $400,000 to $700,000.
David Loeser, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256.
Kent Magill, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256.
Richard Seban, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256.
John Akeson, SVP, $300,000 to $480,000.
Steven Birgfeld, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000.
Martha Ross, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000.
Rob Kissick, SVP, $182,000 to $273,008."

[BlackCrayon]

milk the cow dry and then shoot her.

[EddyTheDog]

"Why We're Better Off Having No Twinkies"

I wish people would stop saying that!!

[Sly]

Question. Does blaming management save those 18,000 jobs?

Or would those 18,000 jobs have been saved if the Bakers Union reached an agreement?

You can argue right or wrong all day long. At the end of the day, there are still 18,000 families wondering where their next paycheck is going to come from. But hey, so long as they are right… It's all good.

[GetSCORECash]

I believe those raises never went into effect and the last CEO lowered his salary to a $1.00

The issue is the consumer who buys from the local SuperMarket bakery a loaf of bread for $1.99 instead of Wonder Bread for $4 and change the last time I saw it.

[Minte]

Originally Posted by Sly

Question. Does blaming management save those 18,000 jobs?

Or would those 18,000 jobs have been saved if the Bakers Union reached an agreement?

You can argue right or wrong all day long. At the end of the day, there are still 18,000 families wondering where their next paycheck is going to come from. But hey, so long as they are right? It's all good.

That's the problem with Unions. The guys on the top do exactly the same as the top people in the company. The difference is the Union reps are never educated and are always using the employees money.

I just finished reading an article about how much the unions spent in this last election cycle and what they spent it on. You people that are so anti-business should read it. The unions are worse than the fortune 500.

http://news.yahoo.com/unions-flexed-...-election.html

[CurrentlySober]

i cunt afford a twinkie...

[Harmon]

These guys deserve raises. It's like Mike Jordan. Everybody cried when he was making ridiculous money.... but he fills seats.

Pay these people the money they are owed.

Being in this industry and not supporting a union is ludicrous.

This industry needs one.

[Spunky]

There is good and bad with Unions.I was a shop steward for 12 years.Trying to get a nickle out of the oil companies during negotiations was like they were going bankrupt.If the employer had their way we would all be working for 10 bucks an hour with no benefits.
If I didn't have Union support ,I would have paid thousands in lawyer fees fighting Workers Comp.I'll always be grateful.
I left the Union after 25 years as I was tired of the nickel and dime increases every year

[lazycash]

The bankruptcy judge has ordered Hostess and the union to go through mediation to try and work things out. There's a good chance that Hostess will continue operating. Seeing those executives raises makes one think they took one last cash grab with the idea that the end might be near. I don't see how we could be better off having another 18k people out of work.

[DatingFactory]

I would like to be the CEO for Nutella.

[CDSmith]

Are twinkies even bio degradable? Or am I thinking of moon pies? One of the two has a shelf life of like 1000 years.

I've never eaten either so they can all go tits up for all I care. They should be made to compensate their workers though. Those massive pay raises for top management looks like a blatant cash grab before the ship goes down.

[MiLo]

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Are twinkies even bio degradable? Or am I thinking of moon pies? One of the two has a shelf life of like 1000 years.

I've never eaten either so they can all go tits up for all I care. They should be made to compensate their workers though. Those massive pay raises for top management looks like a blatant cash grab before the ship goes down.

i haven't eaten twinkies since i was a kid but i remember being grossed out at always finding what looked like boogers on the bottoms of them. not sure what it really was but it put me off eating them.

[Emil]

Twinkies - It's a big deal in the USA.

[kane]

Originally Posted by lazycash

The bankruptcy judge has ordered Hostess and the union to go through mediation to try and work things out. There's a good chance that Hostess will continue operating. Seeing those executives raises makes one think they took one last cash grab with the idea that the end might be near. I don't see how we could be better off having another 18k people out of work.

I think we are seeing the last death rattle of a sinking ship here. Sure, the CEO's made a cash grab. The company has been operated by bankers that specialized in liquidating companies for a few years now. They just want to part it out and walk away with the cash and not look like the bad guys.

To be fair I was reading some stuff about the unions and there are some pretty ridiculous things going on. For example if they send a bread product and a cake product to the same location two different people have to unload it because bread guys can't touch cake products and so on. They could streamline things, but I don't think they really care to. I think the ultimate hope here by those controlling the company is that they sell it off to some other investor who either take production off shore or they break the union and keep things here. I'm not so sure the bankers really are interested in running this as a viable business.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Sly

Question. Does blaming management save those 18,000 jobs?

Or would those 18,000 jobs have been saved if the Bakers Union reached an agreement?

You can argue right or wrong all day long. At the end of the day, there are still 18,000 families wondering where their next paycheck is going to come from. But hey, so long as they are right? It's all good.

All you have to do is look at their track record to see its a horribly ran company for whatever reason. Management and Unions - both just a bunch of whiny twats running around the deck of the Titanic.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by kane

To be fair I was reading some stuff about the unions and there are some pretty ridiculous things going on. For example if they send a bread product and a cake product to the same location two different people have to unload it because bread guys can't touch cake products and so on.

That perfectly sums up unions. A group of thugs, organizing a group of uneducated nobodies, that force inefficiency and greater costs on a business and the consumer.

I have a lot of union members in my family and its horrible listening to them sit around trying to figure out how to do less work for more pay and explaining all day long how they are the victims, never "fairly" compensated etc.

My friend was managing a major remodel of the Edgewater Inn in Seattle and an electrical sub contractor was apparently using non union labor for their tiny piece of the job. So what happens? A bunch of uneducated, toothless turds stand out front of a very nice hotel with air horns trying to make customers stays as horrible as possible by blowing them day and night. They want the job, but they want to hurt the business as much as they can.

On the whole, unions are very corrosive and destructive. The lowest common denominator trying to steer a business.

Life is unfair. We have extensive labor laws. If people want a better job, if people want to be treated better, if you want everyone to bend to your will... then get a fucking education, risk your own capital and work 80-100hr weeks for a couple years while not paying yourself to make that dream happen.

[TisMe]

I'm sure that 18k former Hostess workers will give thanks this Thursday because you've gotten back at those evil bosses.

[John-ACWM]

Originally Posted by MiLo

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[brassmonkey]

there's companies making the version that hostess made long time ago.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Minte

That's the problem with Unions. The guys on the top do exactly the same as the top people in the company. The difference is the Union reps are never educated and are always using the employees money.

I just finished reading an article about how much the unions spent in this last election cycle and what they spent it on. You people that are so anti-business should read it. The unions are worse than the fortune 500.

http://news.yahoo.com/unions-flexed-...-election.html

worse by 18 Million? That's also only compared to PACs..

[Imortyl Pussycat]

this was the year i was going to make deep fried twinkies for my nieces and nephews at xmas. oh well, they are super unhealthy anyways

[kane]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

That perfectly sums up unions. A group of thugs, organizing a group of uneducated nobodies, that force inefficiency and greater costs on a business and the consumer.

I have a lot of union members in my family and its horrible listening to them sit around trying to figure out how to do less work for more pay and explaining all day long how they are the victims, never "fairly" compensated etc.

My friend was managing a major remodel of the Edgewater Inn in Seattle and an electrical sub contractor was apparently using non union labor for their tiny piece of the job. So what happens? A bunch of uneducated, toothless turds stand out front of a very nice hotel with air horns trying to make customers stays as horrible as possible by blowing them day and night. They want the job, but they want to hurt the business as much as they can.

On the whole, unions are very corrosive and destructive. The lowest common denominator trying to steer a business.

Life is unfair. We have extensive labor laws. If people want a better job, if people want to be treated better, if you want everyone to bend to your will... then get a fucking education, risk your own capital and work 80-100hr weeks for a couple years while not paying yourself to make that dream happen.

My brother has been in a union for 15 years and he talks all the time about the good and bad things. Luckily he has never really had to go on strike. The closest he came was when a fellow union was on strike at a job site, his union refused to work there. It took two days to get the situation resolved.

One of the things he hates is that guys that suck and don't work hard, or are just bad at the job, still end up sticking around. They might end up getting let go from one job, but they get put back on the list of guys waiting for work and end up being forced on another job. My brother is now a foreman and runs a pretty decent size crew. If he needs more guys he can call guys he knows and bring them in, but the union rules say for every two guys he "recruits" he has to take the next guy on the list. There have been a few cases where he knew the next guy on the list sucked so he just ran the crew a guy short until that guy was gone from the list so someone else got stuck with him. It is pretty sad when you are forced to hire shitty people.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat

this was the year i was going to make deep fried twinkies for my nieces and nephews at xmas. oh well, they are super unhealthy anyways

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-t...baking-2012-11 i switch it around a bit. you can use boxed cake mix and put filling in it i make suzy Q's

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

That perfectly sums up unions. A group of thugs, organizing a group of uneducated nobodies, that force inefficiency and greater costs on a business and the consumer.

I have a lot of union members in my family and its horrible listening to them sit around trying to figure out how to do less work for more pay and explaining all day long how they are the victims, never "fairly" compensated etc.

My friend was managing a major remodel of the Edgewater Inn in Seattle and an electrical sub contractor was apparently using non union labor for their tiny piece of the job. So what happens? A bunch of uneducated, toothless turds stand out front of a very nice hotel with air horns trying to make customers stays as horrible as possible by blowing them day and night. They want the job, but they want to hurt the business as much as they can.

On the whole, unions are very corrosive and destructive. The lowest common denominator trying to steer a business.

Life is unfair. We have extensive labor laws. If people want a better job, if people want to be treated better, if you want everyone to bend to your will... then get a fucking education, risk your own capital and work 80-100hr weeks for a couple years while not paying yourself to make that dream happen.

Don't paint all unions with the same brush.It took me 7 years of training to become a Journeyman in the petroleum Industry.We worked on all sorts of equipment for the oil companies which includes the airline industry. I've built huge pumps that were at least 25' long and over 9 ton.If you were a fuck up or a dog fucker,you didn't last long.It does take knowledge and skill to do that kind of work.
I was almost killed 3 times as it was dangerous work at times. I earned every cent while there,nothing was handed to me.

[Minte]

I can tell you my first hand experience with unions. The building we bought this summer once had 1100 employees working here. They had United Steel & Machinist and Aerospace unions. Every other year they went out on strike. And some of the strikes got real ugly.

The picture I attached is my new office. It was the former presidents. Those windows out to the front were bulletproof glass. I had them changed first thing to ones I can open and get some fresh air.

[Minte]

Another interesting feature that the former owners had installed here are those entrance doors you see in the righthand corner of the picture. Those are also bulletproof and there is another set of them inside the lobby that you had to be *buzzed* in. That we had changed. Anyone can just walk in now. Even my office door is security.

The point being, that the hostility between management and labor was so bad that it was like a fortress here in the offices.

We are dismantling most of it as time permits.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

That perfectly sums up unions. A group of thugs, organizing a group of uneducated nobodies, that force inefficiency and greater costs on a business and the consumer.

I have a lot of union members in my family and its horrible listening to them sit around trying to figure out how to do less work for more pay and explaining all day long how they are the victims, never "fairly" compensated etc.

My friend was managing a major remodel of the Edgewater Inn in Seattle and an electrical sub contractor was apparently using non union labor for their tiny piece of the job. So what happens? A bunch of uneducated, toothless turds stand out front of a very nice hotel with air horns trying to make customers stays as horrible as possible by blowing them day and night. They want the job, but they want to hurt the business as much as they can.

On the whole, unions are very corrosive and destructive. The lowest common denominator trying to steer a business.

Life is unfair. We have extensive labor laws. If people want a better job, if people want to be treated better, if you want everyone to bend to your will... then get a fucking education, risk your own capital and work 80-100hr weeks for a couple years while not paying yourself to make that dream happen.

Here here!




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[kane]

Originally Posted by Minte

Another interesting feature that the former owners had installed here are those entrance doors you see in the righthand corner of the picture. Those are also bulletproof and there is another set of them inside the lobby that you had to be *buzzed* in. That we had changed. Anyone can just walk in now. Even my office door is security.

The point being, that the hostility between management and labor was so bad that it was like a fortress here in the offices.

We are dismantling most of it as time permits.

That is crazy that things got bad enough they put bulletproof glass up, but when it comes to money and work passions run deep.

[brassmonkey]

union fucked over the company and put themselves out of a job 18,000 employees merry christmas assholes http://hostessbrands.com/Closed.aspx

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Minte

The unions are worse than the fortune 500.

but but but..unions save workers from evil employers, no?

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by kane

It is pretty sad when you are forced to hire shitty people.

Who cares, there are evil bosses and poor workers - worker goes first, doesn't matter if worker is a lazy loser, he goes first before the boss who worked hard and created all those jobs in the first place.
Fucking unions!

[kane]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Who cares, there are evil bosses and poor workers - worker goes first, doesn't matter if worker is a lazy loser, he goes first before the boss who worked hard and created all those jobs in the first place.
Fucking unions!

I think, in the past, unions did some great stuff for this country including safer working conditions and helping get pension plans for many employees.

Would these things have happened without unions? Maybe.

These days I think some union stuff is good and some is bad. Hearing my brother talk he has some good stuff and some bad stuff to say.

But, like you say, workers always go first before the boss union or not. If you are going to choose the life where you work for others the risk of losing your job is always there.