Starting with DSLR

[pgmorin]

I want to start photographie courses to reduce my production cost and I wonder if the Nikon 7100 would be enough to start with? Here what use I have for it.

-Record 10-20 minutes vidéos in a studio of girls doing strip and masturbate ( 2 videos every shooting day)
-Shoot softcore pictures in a studio with a white background setup (1 800 pictures every shooting day)
-pictures resolution on my website of 2532x3764

I'm not sure if I would be better with the cheaper D5200 with the mobile screen but I think the 7100 have better focus for the video . I dont have any lens so I dont really need the build in motor. Only worry I got about the D5200 is the lack of wireless sync with remote flash.

Also I can have a new never use D3200 with the lens kit, bag, memory card for 500$ no tax could that be enough or I gonna regret in a couple month?

Thank a lot!

[dyna mo]

i like chatting about piture takin so this is just that, ok!

anyhoo, tough choice b/w the 7100 and the 5200 huh. i like the 5200 due to the expeed 3 processor and the moveable screen, since it sounds like you're shooting in studio with this kit then no need for crazy iso and shutter speeds right?

the thing i do like about the 7100 is it should be sharper, with the olpf removed.

that all said, grapesoda advices yesterday that full-frame is the way to go and after thinking about it, that is really good advice in my experience, my taking pitures took off after i went full-frame, in fact, this is the 1st time i've ever shot full manual! not counting auto-focus, of course, but i do program the auto-focus to do what i want it to.

but up until full-frame, the most i could handle on my own was aperture priority. nothing like full manual!! wow. and my 1st camera was a christmas gift, minolta xd-5, brand new.

[marlboroack]

It's not the camera. It's the pornographer.
Your camera is good now you need to invest in some good lighting. ( don't buy the cheap stuff )

[dyna mo]

i read it as he doesn't have a camera now?

[Bman]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that all said, grapesoda advices yesterday that full-frame is the way to go and after thinking about it, that is really good advice in my experience, my taking pitures took off after i went full-frame, in fact, this is the 1st time i've ever shot full manual! not counting auto-focus, of course, but i do program the auto-focus to do what i want it to.

but up until full-frame, the most i could handle on my own was aperture priority. nothing like full manual!! wow. and my 1st camera was a christmas gift, minolta xd-5, brand new.

Telling the difference from full frame to a crop sensor.I know I can not tell the difference.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bman

Telling the difference from full frame to a crop sensor.I know I can not tell the difference.

what do you mean?

[Bman]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what do you mean?

full frame vs crop sensor?(relation to the size of the sensor the camera has)

automatic vs manual camera? (relation to the functions the camera has)

are you getting them interchanged?

[pgmorin]

I dont have a camera now and I have zero experiance. I hire somone to take the picture on cosplay-mate.com right now. I would like to learn to save money on the long run.

Full frame look better but it really expensive and it gonna add something to my pictures even if I only shoot in a studio on a white background? do I really need the extra wide from a full frame or could I just scale with a lens wider for the same result at lower cost?

[pgmorin]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i like chatting about piture takin so this is just that, ok!

anyhoo, tough choice b/w the 7100 and the 5200 huh. i like the 5200 due to the expeed 3 processor and the moveable screen, since it sounds like you're shooting in studio with this kit then no need for crazy iso and shutter speeds right?

the thing i do like about the 7100 is it should be sharper, with the olpf removed.

that all said, grapesoda advices yesterday that full-frame is the way to go and after thinking about it, that is really good advice in my experience, my taking pitures took off after i went full-frame, in fact, this is the 1st time i've ever shot full manual! not counting auto-focus, of course, but i do program the auto-focus to do what i want it to.

but up until full-frame, the most i could handle on my own was aperture priority. nothing like full manual!! wow. and my 1st camera was a christmas gift, minolta xd-5, brand new.

Thank for the advice. I read about the 7100 olpf removed but I also read that is something you can only notice on really high end top of the line lens. It true that I dont need crazy speed since it just for portrait in studio and studio lightning.

[Bman]

Originally Posted by pgmorin

I dont have a camera now and I have zero experiance. I hire somone to take the picture on cosplay-mate.com right now. I would like to learn to save money on the long run.

Full frame look better but it really expensive and it gonna add something to my pictures even if I only shoot in a studio on a white background? do I really need the extra wide from a full frame or could I just scale with a lens wider for the same result at lower cost?

you dont need full frame, you wont be able to tell the difference.
I know I cant from my full frame to cropped frame pics.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Bman

Telling the difference from full frame to a crop sensor.I know I can not tell the difference.

your eye can due to eye strain when shooting on a cropped sensor

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by pgmorin

I dont have a camera now and I have zero experiance. I hire somone to take the picture on cosplay-mate.com right now. I would like to learn to save money on the long run.

Full frame look better but it really expensive and it gonna add something to my pictures even if I only shoot in a studio on a white background? do I really need the extra wide from a full frame or could I just scale with a lens wider for the same result at lower cost?

here's what I would do if I were you based on this statement: the El Camino's not much of a car, but then again it's not much of a truck either.

if you really want to produce content get:
a small HD consumer video camera for about $600 and a few sd cards for another $150
2 used kino flo divas w/ stands for about $1400
small dslr kit for wi a few cards for about $2000
set of consumer strobes w/ umbrellas and stands for about $1200
light meter with radio chip $300
3 pocket wizards @ about $80-90 each I think....

[pgmorin]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

your eye can due to eye strain when shooting on a cropped sennsor

talking about that I did read that the 7100 viewfinder is more confortable and display a more realistic view from what the picture gonna look like vs the 5200 viewfinder. It really show that much you think?

[pgmorin]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

here's what I would do if I were you based on this statement: the El Camino's not much of a car, but then again it's not much of a truck either.

if you really want to produce content get:
a small HD consumer video camera for about $600 and a few sd cards for another $150
2 used kino flo divas w/ stands for about $1400
small dslr kit for wi a few cards for about $2000
set of consumer strobes w/ umbrellas and stands for about $1200
light meter with radio chip $300
3 pocket wizards @ about $80-90 each I think....

Yes true I was thinking about that but for now the most important is that I get a nice all rounded DSLR to start my class and then later I can get a better camcorder ( already have a decent one but I think the dslr would be better since it a entry level one)

[SplatterMaster]

Some of you may need to read about crop factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor

You?ll basically get the same field of view, from a different distance to the subject.

The real difference you might notice come from wide angle lens only.

[dyna mo]

can someone please point me to where in the post below i mentioned anything about crop factor? in fact when did i recommend a full frame to the op?

oh, i see where, NO FUCKING WHERE.

you fucking camera snobs should go hang out at dpreview.

if you take the time to read wtf i wrote you'll see i wrote that my own personal fucking experience evolved when i made the switch to full-frame and that has nothing to do with crop fucking factor or aps-c.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i like chatting about piture takin so this is just that, ok!

anyhoo, tough choice b/w the 7100 and the 5200 huh. i like the 5200 due to the expeed 3 processor and the moveable screen, since it sounds like you're shooting in studio with this kit then no need for crazy iso and shutter speeds right?

the thing i do like about the 7100 is it should be sharper, with the olpf removed.

that all said, grapesoda advices yesterday that full-frame is the way to go and after thinking about it, that is really good advice in my experience, my taking pitures took off after i went full-frame, in fact, this is the 1st time i've ever shot full manual! not counting auto-focus, of course, but i do program the auto-focus to do what i want it to.

but up until full-frame, the most i could handle on my own was aperture priority. nothing like full manual!! wow. and my 1st camera was a christmas gift, minolta xd-5, brand new.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by pgmorin

Thank for the advice. I read about the 7100 olpf removed but I also read that is something you can only notice on really high end top of the line lens. It true that I dont need crazy speed since it just for portrait in studio and studio lightning.

that's a good point, which lenses are you considering? it might make sense to get that extra bit of sharpness, if it's critical to you.

[Bman]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i like chatting about piture takin so this is just that, ok!

anyhoo, tough choice b/w the 7100 and the 5200 huh. i like the 5200 due to the expeed 3 processor and the moveable screen, since it sounds like you're shooting in studio with this kit then no need for crazy iso and shutter speeds right?

the thing i do like about the 7100 is it should be sharper, with the olpf removed.

that all said, grapesoda advices yesterday that full-frame is the way to go and after thinking about it, that is really good advice in my experience, my taking pitures took off after i went full-frame, in fact, this is the 1st time i've ever shot full manual! not counting auto-focus, of course, but i do program the auto-focus to do what i want it to.

but up until full-frame, the most i could handle on my own was aperture priority. nothing like full manual!! wow. and my 1st camera was a christmas gift, minolta xd-5, brand new.

see above not a biggie...

[dyna mo]

see above the part you highlighted *my experience* *my picture taking* *i could handle*


no biggie. i.e. no fucking biggie that you continue to discount my experience to highlight your own experience that crop = full frame.

jesus fucking christ camera snobs are worse than music snobs.

[dyna mo]

i got to looking, here's a pic of my 1st 35mm slr, i got this new in 1981

[SplatterMaster]

Reading above I took it as a suggestion that you could not shoot full manual until you went full frame. Full frame has nothing to do with shooting in manual and you can shoot just as good in manual on a crop sensor.

Sorry for any confusion. Carry on

[Bman]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

see above the part you highlighted *my experience* *my picture taking* *i could handle*


no biggie. i.e. no fucking biggie that you continue to discount my experience to highlight your own experience that crop = full frame.

jesus fucking christ camera snobs are worse than music snobs.

I underlined where you wrote "full-frame" bro.
I believe you meant to write "full manual"

Why you taking it so serious?
Its not a biggie lets just leave it.

[dyna mo]

again, if anyone can read, i never even recommended full frame to the op, i went on in-depth about the 2 aps-c cameras he mentioned.

i then skipped at least 2 spaces, in the online world, that means change of topic. i also prefaced my entire shit with the *i'm just chatting* to try and ward off the snobs.

yet when i simple share my experience of my own picture taking advancing forward enough to excite me to write about it, got a couple gfy dimwits swinging by to try and knock that down.


got it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bman

I underlined where you wrote "full-frame" bro.
I believe you meant to write "full manual"

Why you taking it so serious?
Its not a biggie lets just leave it.

why am i taking it so serious? certainly you can't be serious? i wrote about my own personal experience you choose to disect that and then ask me why so serious/

seriously.



no, i wrote full frame and full manual, i meant both and wrote both. if you can't get that, dont' come at me about it, ask further, or i will just have to come right back.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bman

I underlined where you wrote "full-frame" bro.
I believe you meant to write "full manual"

Why you taking it so serious?
Its not a biggie lets just leave it.

yeah, here's how it would read if i meant to write full manual as you are trying to cya with

that all said, grapesoda advices yesterday that full-manual is the way to go and after thinking about it, that is really good advice in my experience, my taking pitures took off after i went full-manual , in fact, this is the 1st time i've ever shot full manual! not counting auto-focus, of course, but i do program the auto-focus to do what i want it to.

but up until full-manual , the most i could handle on my own was aperture priority. nothing like full manual!! wow. and my 1st camera was a christmas gift, minolta xd-5, brand new





yes, makes more sense your way.

[dyna mo]

i also intentionally did not put a comma in this phrase.

that is really good advice in my experience

that means that his advice rings true for me.

reading is fundamental.

[icymelon]

check out philip bloom if you want to do video with a dslr he has tons of stuff. But for video canon 7d. Nikon might be better for stills. No matter what camera you buy get a really nice prime lens. if you are in studio that is all you need. 50mm prime. Another option might be to use a gopro HD camera for the video. If you want to keep it simple. but you would want to be sure the lighting is done properly. So keep in mind lights and lens.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by pgmorin

talking about that I did read that the 7100 viewfinder is more confortable and display a more realistic view from what the picture gonna look like vs the 5200 viewfinder. It really show that much you think?

I shoot a lot so I need all the relief I can get... a little here and a little there adds up plus the small bodies are uncomfortable to hold in my hands....

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by pgmorin

Yes true I was thinking about that but for now the most important is that I get a nice all rounded DSLR to start my class and then later I can get a better camcorder ( already have a decent one but I think the dslr would be better since it a entry level one)

shooting video with an dslr is a night mare if you want to produce and serious amount of content. I shoot 10-14 sets a day and 3-4 vids... no way I could do that with a low level camera and dslr video... dslr's don't pull focus and every shot must be set and focused manually. you don't need class. start shooting, ask questions... get photoshop and a good machine as well

[dappz-datton]

this is interesting

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by SplatterMaster

Some of you may need to read about crop factor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor

You?ll basically get the same field of view, from a different distance to the subject.

The real difference you might notice come from wide angle lens only.

the real difference is in focus because the cropped sensors are usually in the cheaper cameras and eyes strain... plus there is a DOF, add a stop for cropped sensor

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

can someone please point me to where in the post below i mentioned anything about crop factor? in fact when did i recommend a full frame to the op?

oh, i see where, NO FUCKING WHERE.

you fucking camera snobs should go hang out at dpreview.

if you take the time to read wtf i wrote you'll see i wrote that my own personal fucking experience evolved when i made the switch to full-frame and that has nothing to do with crop fucking factor or aps-c.

here's what I do outside without strobes: I set the camera to shutter priority... look around at what I want to shoot with the camera meter and them pick an ISO, and f stop... maybe even a different shutter speed then go back to manual.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

here's what I do outside without strobes: I set the camera to shutter priority... look around at what I want to shoot with the camera meter and them pick an ISO, and f stop... maybe even a different shutter speed then go back to manual.

good advice, i appreciate that.
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sometimes, i'll put the camera in full auto just to see what settings it defaults to, then i will switch to manual, take a stab at a new set of values ( shutter speed, aperture and iso) and try to get the same exposure. it's helping me get better at guessing the proper exposure values for a particular scene.

[pgmorin]

thank a lot for all the advices I was thinking that lense Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8G would be a good starter. I gonna get the 7100 since it have more functions, better construction, should be more futur proof and use a camcorder for the video instead of the dslr so I can have a flip screen and a good auto focus to record in a confortable way. I gonna get that by next week and let you know how it is

[candyflip]

Someone's (Dyna Mo) panties sure are twisted.

I believe I made a comment to you about something else recently and you jumped on me like I was trying to insult you.

Welcome back, too bad you couldn't have chilled the fuck out while you were gone.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Someone's (Dyna Mo) panties sure are twisted.

I believe I made a comment to you about something else recently and you jumped on me like I was trying to insult you.

Welcome back, too bad you couldn't have chilled the fuck out while you were gone.

a thread derailed by others who not only went off on me about full-frame, they contributed absolutely nothing to the actual topic of the thread, instead using it as a platform to dissect my comments about my own experience, skipping right over the part where i do in fact comment re: the topic is an opportunity for you to jump at me about chilling out during a time in my life which you know nothing about?


that's your contribution here? and i'm the one you think needs advice from you.

got it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by pgmorin

thank a lot for all the advices I was thinking that lense Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8G would be a good starter. I gonna get the 7100 since it have more functions, better construction, should be more futur proof and use a camcorder for the video instead of the dslr so I can have a flip screen and a good auto focus to record in a confortable way. I gonna get that by next week and let you know how it is

i've read great things about that lens, it's very close to the 1.4, nice setup i think!