SilentKnight

Just received this from Verotel:

Now they want notorizied copies of my passport?! What for? So you can provide my info to identity thieves?

All I can say is - WHAT THE FUCK?!!

Verotel - you can kiss my ass.

After SIX years of doing business with you - we're finished.

Go fuck yourselves.

SomeCreep

If you aint got nothing to hide, just give it to them. Don't be so paranoid.

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SilentKnight

Not going to happen.

Sly

Are you going to shut down your sites?

Epoch/CCBill require similar money/documents. Merchant accounts require bank statements.

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SilentKnight

Not sure at this point. We're lookin' at our options. We've known about the Visa/MC deadline and charges for quite some time obviously - but it's the request for a copy of our passport that really has me mystified...and pissed.

Our sites have been in recycle/archive mode for the last while - basically winding them down and not actively promoting them.

We'll see what happens I guess...

Vendzilla

It's all part of the KYC (Know Your Customer) and AML (Anti-Money Laundering) requirements that everyone is having to adhere to

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sandman!

good luck not paying a fee for processing.

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Vendzilla

LOL, I here you.

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think about that

beemk

You can always go back to becoming a useless meter maid. Not sure why anyone would expect a company to require you to jump through all kinds of hoops to accept credit cards.

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SilentKnight

Talk to me nicely - I'll let you go back to sucking my dick.

Fat Panda

I say FUCK EM ALL and start accepting BITCOINS

BFT3K

If processors insist on intrusive IDs, then perhaps alternative currencies really will be the answer soon.

Social security numbers, copies of driver's licenses, passports - fuck that shit. Nobody needs that much information, especially faceless people across the ocean.

SilentKnight

Exactly my thoughts!

Thank you.

BFT3K

I would have been using Zombio (or whatever) years ago, until they wanted ID. At that point I was out - same with ClickPay (or whatever - I forget the names).

I was seriously planning to reinstate my Verotel account very soon for 500 Euros, but if they want my passport now, no way Jose!

Thanks for the heads-up SilentKnight

pornmasta

passport ? i don't have a passport, it's used to travel...

SilentKnight

Hopefully this thread will help dissuade others from considering processors that demand ID such as passports.

I recall several years ago Verotel hit us with a slew of chargebacks all at once - they claimed they hadn't been keeping track of a bunch that eminated from Europe. We had no way of verifying or appealing and wound up with revenue deductions that went on for ages. We got past that - but I never forgave Verotel for that shit at the time.

Now this - the last straw.

I'd enjoy a Verotel rep dropping into the thread and attempting justification for requiring copies of my passport - just to process for us.

Supz

Its how normal business is done on a day to day basis. Do you think because you are in porn you get to hide out anonymously and try not to pay taxes?

BFT3K

Name - Sure

Business Name - Sure

Bank Account Information - Sure

Tax ID Number - Sure

Owner's Social Security Number - Maybe

Copies of Driver's Licenses and Passport - Nope

Why does anyone need photo ID?

It's easier to buy a gun.

signupdamnit

What I find ironic is that it is the smaller players who get stuck paying but everybody knows it's always been the larger players who have been responsible for the scumbag shit in our industry for years. You know banging cards, hidden cross sales, chargeback roulette. It's not the little guys you see complaining who did all that crap. It's the big scumbags who in some cases are still around today and sitting pretty. These are the people who helped to bring about all the "compliance fees" for "regulation" we see now. And shit still happens. Remember agamegirlz.com just a few months ago?

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Konda

You won't be able to get any high risk processing (adult) without sending in your ID and all you personal details. These are requirements by the bank and Visa/Master.

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No it isn't.

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Barefootsies

Exactamundo.

I am not happy about it either, but it's basically a 'cost of doing business' in this new anti-terror bullshit era. Merchant accounts, banks, whatever all now ask you a shitload of fucking questions, and require docs. Whether for anti-terromism or proof of citizenship. That being said..... Remember, this is what many Americans wanted, begged, and asked for.... the government to protect them from the boogie man. This is the end result of that slippery slope.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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Fat Panda

How do Corporations provide a passport?

epitome

Beneficial owner. It all comes down to % of stock you own. Lots of places require for anyone holding more than 15% of stock.

Fat Panda

So when GM needs a processing account the US govt provides Obama's passport? Ya right

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pamon

so you expect a processor to process thousands of dollars for you without knowing whom they are processing for? Only reason you're hiding behind not providing a passport is because you are hiding, a criminal, a privacy freak, or a really wierd reason. would seem any bank or processor would want to know whom they are processing payments for regardless.

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BFT3K

What the fuck are you talking about, hiding?

Company Name
Owner's Name
SS Number
Company Address
Tax ID Number
Bank Name
Bank Account Number
Bank Address
2257 Address
Etc, etc...

Explain how a photo ID adds to this?

Why is everyone so eager and willing to bend over and take it?

Manfap

Do you have to show ID to open a bank account where you are?

helterskelter808

Do you show your passport and allow it to be copied when you use your credit card or when you go to McDonald's? Why not? Are you some kind of weirdo or privacy freak?

Criminals will use a fake ID or an ID of someone else if they need to.

OldJeff

This thread really delivers.........................How little many of those actually know about the business, funny how so many of them have the most opinions

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Manfap

In most places in the EU you do have to show ID with a cc.

Spain's got chip and pin now and they still want ID.

Wanting it for billing though.. Probably something to do with the US terror laws they pushed through for banking no?

tony286

yeah for those making less than 100 euro a week. lol

tony286

If you went to a bank to open an account or got a merchant account they would want the same things. Would you tell them WTF? The less hidden a person is the less of a chance of them committing fraud.If the internet was all based on real verifiable names only ,you would cut the bullshit out by 75 percent. lol
Personally we are dropping them they were a weak secondary at best.

Sly

You are comparing a consumer to a guy that is trying to run a business. The guy that owns McDonald's, yes, he will be providing his drivers license and bank records in order to process credit cards of the consumer.

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Sly

According to their website, they charge 15%. So 15% of €100 a week is about $19 a week, multiply that by 52 weeks a year and that's not even $1000. Take out the actual costs of running that card and add the various labor that is required to run that business, they are probably not making any money on that account. In fact, they are most likely losing money due to the wasted resources.

Is anyone in this thread running their business at a loss? My guess would be no, or at least a hopeful no. Not sure why anyone would expect another company to run their business at a loss. I would move away from doing business with anyone that I know is running at a loss, they could shut down any day and I could lose whatever I have invested with them.

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BFT3K

Showing a local bank teller your ID seems safe and reasonable. Scanning personal ID and emailing this very personal information to faceless strangers across the globe just doesn't feel right.

If banks talk to banks (and they do), then providing your local company banking details should cover it, as like you said - you already provided ID to set that account up (locally).

It just seems redundant, as you have already provided the details to the most important bank to begin with, to be in business in the first place.

Not the same thing, but kind of like when Visa charges you $750 to "review your sites" for one billing company, but then charges you the same $750 over and over to "review your sites" again and again, for every other processing company.

Shit just seems redundant and unnecessary.

Sly

I sent a wire to the Netherlands two months ago. It was a big bank. My bank could not even find that banks existence, even after I provided them with a very large, detailed list of bank information about the Netherlands bank.

You think Bank XYZ in your city gives your details to Bank ABC in another city on the other side of the world? And then on top of that, you think Bank ABC should simply blindly trust Bank XYZ and ignore any laws that they may have to follow in their own country?

Also, if Bank XYZ is the "only important bank", why are you messing with Bank ABC? Why don't you simply have Bank XYZ process for your sites? Oh wait? it's because they won't.

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BFT3K

When I wrote the "only important bank" I meant that it was the bank that confirms you are really in business to begin with. It is the bank information that SHOULD provide enough proof and credibility that you and your business actually exists.

Billing companies ask for all sorts of info, which includes your banking info, server info, and more. In a world riddled with identity theft, it would seem that these redundant photo copied ID requirements can only make things LESS safe - especially for business owners.

Wizzo

Its usually either the CFO or the CEOs and have it on file... I'm not sure what the big deal is, as this is nothing new.

Have you guys ever opened a bank account, brokerage account, paxum account? Its the way grown ups do business and have for many years.

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beemk

That's why they run banks and you don't. One of the two knows things about running banks, and the other is some idiot on gfy who doesn't know what he's talking about and making accusations.

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BFT3K

I used to think the porn biz was filled with radicals and tough guys, but instead... just the opposite.

Sly

Why?

A few years ago online poker in the United States was more or less shut down. Not completely due to gambling, but due to wire fraud. The poker site owners were in cahoots with banks, in the United States, committing a broad range of acts that amount to wire fraud. In short, the banks were paid off to look the other way when illegal acts were taking place. Again, this was in the United States, not some third world post-Soviet state.

Why on earth should Bank XYZ believe anything Bank ABC says in a completely different country? Do you want your local bank taking a local bank in Russia for its word?

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BFT3K

My corporation has been in business with the same bank since 1999. If I decide to go rogue at this point, what is the difference whether or not some shmoe in the Netherlands has a copy of my passport on file or not?