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Old 04-18-2013, 09:59 AM   #51
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Multiple addresses in 2 different states?

And thanks.

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Yep, that could do it.

Kinda like a credit report showing multiple addresses in multiple states. If they aren't sure where you really live, they are less likely to extend credit or they may need additional time to review your application.
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:05 AM   #52
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Not sure what that store may have been doing wrong for the local Government to close them down but no, it's nothing like an Amazon purchase.

Got any relevant links to the story on the store being shut down? I'd be interested in seeing what you've read that steered you in that direction.
Just reading this now..everything I knew about this came from the local television news.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwauk...164054036.html
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Just reading this now..everything I knew about this came from the local television news.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwauk...164054036.html
Interesting business plan there. It's obvious that they have taken some pretty significant steps to go above and beyond what the law requires. This is not something that most shop owners are likely to follow. Personally, I think it's a great idea.

It's a lot like the content business. When I sold to everybody who had a few bucks, I had a lot of headaches. The minute I eliminated the "cheaper" clients and started hand picking those I work with, things got much more simple and I was able to focus more attention on the higher valued clients.

Most gun stores focus on quantity of customers rather than quality. I've seen customers walk out of gun store A due to a long line only to drop 100k at gun store B 20 minutes later. Those same customers return regularly, spend a lot of money, and refer their friends.
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I just hope that GrantMercury NEVER gets his hands on a gun.

The hatred and vitriol that he spews in every post he makes (and notice he NEVER makes a business post) is downright scary!

The guy is a classic profile of a mass killer.
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I just hope that GrantMercury NEVER gets his hands on a gun.

The hatred and vitriol that he spews in every post he makes (and notice he NEVER makes a business post) is downright scary!

The guy is a classic profile of a mass killer.
It's called projection. The ones that are really unhinged with the anti-gun crap want them out of society because they think of what they would do with one in their hands so assume everyone elses brain is fucked like theirs

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I have a problem with the across the board applied "gun nut, redneck, illiterate country bumpkin, etc" label being applied to anyone who owns and wants to keep their firearms.


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Ok that's great. But you still just divert and maneuver around the question. Just straight up answer this, if possible. What's the problem with every single firearm purchase being checked?

I love guns too. At various times in my life I've owned a Glock .40, tz75, Beretta 92f, Mossberg 500 and an AR15 I built myself through mail-order. I even re-loaded my own rounds sometimes. But I think ALL gun purchases should be analyzed and scrutinized. Why don't you? Or do you? We don't know because you twist things around every time you're asked.
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:11 PM   #59
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e have this thing called a Constitution that protects the minority rights, even if 99% want to do something.
You're saying it's un-Constitutional to check the backgrounds of gun buyers?
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Aaron, the last 2 times I have purchased a gun from my local dealer my information was called into the FBI/ATF for approval. Both times my dealer said he would probably not hear back and to wait for the 3 day hold period to expire and he would sell me the guns based on a current drivers license.

He was correct, the government never responded and I was sold the guns anyway. Have you ever experienced this?

If this current system doesn't work for licensed dealers what chance does a system for private owners to private owners have except as a political feel good measure?

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is the 'no call back' a quasi form of approval?
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It's called projection. The ones that are really unhinged with the anti-gun crap want them out of society because they think of what they would do with one in their hands so assume everyone elses brain is fucked like theirs

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Every day the media lies and covers POTUS ass...but my life goes on.
Right. The old "liberal media" bullshit Limbaugh started blathering about 30 years ago.

The media are a bunch of corporate whores. The news is about making money. It's about selling shit - including war.

If the corporate media weren't such corporate whores, the Iraq invasion never would have happened, we'd have 4,488 more troops home with their families, and $3 trillion taxpayer dollars to put toward healthcare and education.

Give up on the "liberal media" shit. Rush lied.
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This is why the focus shouldn't be on adding new laws. They should be enforcing current laws and throwing the book at those who have illegal fire arms.
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Buying a gun has required a background check since the Brady Act took effect in 1994. (James Brady was badly wounded during the 1981 assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan; he was Reagan?s press secretary.) Under the law, federally licensed dealers must verify that a buyer has not been convicted of a serious crime or declared mentally incompetent or is blocked for any of about 10 reasons. Typically this is done online and takes less than a day.

But only licensed dealers must do this. The law doesn?t apply to private sellers at gun shows, flea markets, or people who post firearms for sale on the Internet. If a private seller suspects that a buyer would be disqualified under federal rules, then they can?t go through with the sale. But there is no background check, and no one needs to file any paperwork.
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Grant you do seem to have a lot of hate inside you. All of your threads are full of explicative's and anger.

I hope you are using this as an outlet. If you truly are this angry all the time, you really need to find a hobby away from the news and the Internet. It's very bad for your heart, your mind, and those around you.

You are the kind of person I'm afraid of, not "gun nuts." You have a very difficult time accepting opinions other than your own, people with that issue are very unstable and unpredictable.
Thanks for the input, Sly, and I feign appreciation for your feigned concern.

I'm not "this angry all the time." But sometimes, sure. It tends to happen when serious, emotional issues like mass murder collide with petulance.

It's insane that anyone thinks it's not a good idea to prohibit gun sales to individuals with violent criminal histories or significant mental illness. Encouragingly, 90% on Americans aren't that thick. Yet we have whores in DC taking money from a lobbying group that exists solely to maximize gun sales. And we have retards right here on GFY who think it's great, and that the disappointment on the face on the POTUS is funny. Why doesn't that make YOU angry?
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Thanks for the input, Sly, and I feign appreciation for your feigned concern.

I'm not "this angry all the time." But sometimes, sure. It tends to happen when serious, emotional issues like mass murder collide with petulance.

It's insane that anyone thinks it's not a good idea to prohibit gun sales to individuals with violent criminal histories or significant mental illness. Encouragingly, 90% on Americans aren't that thick. Yet we have whores in DC taking money from a lobbying group that exists solely to maximize gun sales. And we have retards right here on GFY who think it's great, and that the disappointment on the face on the POTUS is funny. Why doesn't that make YOU angry?
Actually my concern was not fake at all. Unlike you, I have no problem showing concern for people that may have different ideologies than my own.

Anger is a waste of my energy. I put my energy towards positive things. Like making my life and the life of those that I care about better. Ranting on GFY about "retards" is not positive or making anyone's life better.
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It's insane that anyone thinks it's not a good idea to prohibit gun sales to individuals with violent criminal histories or significant mental illness. Encouragingly, 90% on Americans aren't that thick. Yet we have whores in DC taking money from a lobbying group that exists solely to maximize gun sales. And we have retards right here on GFY who think it's great, and that the disappointment on the face on the POTUS is funny. Why doesn't that make YOU angry?

I'll answer that...

First off, I don't personally know anybody who thinks "it's not a good idea to prohibit gun sales to individuals with violent criminal histories or significant mental illness."

What would make me angry is passing laws that do more than requiring universal background checks and that's exactly what this last round of bullshit tried doing. This is typical behavior from the current administration. They love passing all sorts of other laws wrapped around a single point.

I received this email today from the National Shooting Sports Foundation:

Thank your Senator Today!

Yesterday, your senator, Dean Heller, voted against a number of gun-control measures that would have banned modern sporting rifles and other commonly owned semi-automatic rifles and standard sized magazines, as well as to shut down background checks from storefront retailers during weekends. Senator Heller voted to support the Second Amendment despite relentless political pressure from President Obama and gun-control advocates like Mayor Bloomberg.

Please call Senator Heller at 202-224-6244 today and thank him for standing up for our industry and the Second Amendment.
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I have a problem with the across the board applied "gun nut, redneck, illiterate country bumpkin, etc" label being applied to anyone who owns and wants to keep their firearms.


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Gimme a break. I posted this article yesterday. Your reply was "anti-gun asshole". Short, sweet, and stupid. How about a thoughtful, reasoned comment instead?

If you take offense at the gun-nut label, stop acting like one. Then it won't bother you when you hear "gun nut" or "redneck" because you'll know it doesn't apply to you.

BTW - you still haven't answered the question. Go back and look.
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I just hope that GrantMercury NEVER gets his hands on a gun.

The hatred and vitriol that he spews in every post he makes (and notice he NEVER makes a business post) is downright scary!

The guy is a classic profile of a mass killer.
I won't buy a gun for the same reason I don't buy lottery tickets. Lousy odds.

So don't worry, precious. You're safe. At least from me. But keep in mind that you live in a country where anyone can get as many guns as they want, no matter how demonstrably dangerous they are. The GOP whores keep it that way because they're paid to. So be careful out there.
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It's called projection. The ones that are really unhinged with the anti-gun crap want them out of society because they think of what they would do with one in their hands so assume everyone elses brain is fucked like theirs
Yeah. It's the people who don't want guns who are crazy. Got it.

Want guns = sane
Don't want = crazy
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But keep in mind that you live in a country where anyone can get as many guns as they want, no matter how demonstrably dangerous they are.
You mean the same way it's been for over 200 years?

I'm okay with that.

I just wouldn't want to have a hate-filled person like you going "postal" on me.
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Actually my concern was not fake at all. Unlike you, I have no problem showing concern for people that may have different ideologies than my own.

Anger is a waste of my energy. I put my energy towards positive things. Like making my life and the life of those that I care about better. Ranting on GFY about "retards" is not positive or making anyone's life better.
Anger is a normal human emotion. If you don't get angry about 20 first-graders turned to hamburger in a matter of minutes, that's some trick. You're superhuman, dude.
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Anger is a normal human emotion. If you don't get angry about 20 first-graders turned to hamburger in a matter of minutes, that's some trick. You're superhuman, dude.
Maybe you should be angry at the crazy person who did that crime instead of ranting on GFY at people who don't share your view that the govt. needs to control all of us.
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Actually my concern was not fake at all. Unlike you, I have no problem showing concern for people that may have different ideologies than my own.

Anger is a waste of my energy. I put my energy towards positive things. Like making my life and the life of those that I care about better. Ranting on GFY about "retards" is not positive or making anyone's life better.
And BTW - I asked you a question, and you dodged it.
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You mean the same way it's been for over 200 years?
I'm okay with that.
At least you admit you don't give a fuck. I appreciate that.

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I just wouldn't want to have a hate-filled person like you going "postal" on me.
But Rob, any hate-filled person CAN "go postal" on you. No matter what kind of criminal or mental health history they have. Thank the NRA, the GOP, and don't forget a pat on the back for yourself.
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And BTW - I asked you a question, and you dodged it.
And I asked you a question and you dodged it.

How many democrats does it take to pass ANY bill through the senate.


And my comment.. obama could not persuade his own damn team to line up with him..(again)
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Maybe you should be angry at the crazy person who did that crime instead of ranting on GFY at people who don't share your view that the govt. needs to control all of us.
Did I say "the government needs to control all of us?" What's with the stupid exaggerations? Why?

And there's not a single thing I or anyone else can do about that murderous nut now. But what we can do is have adult discussions about how we can reduce the chances of another tragedy. But who wants to do that? People would rather talk shit and act like it's a game.
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But Rob, any hate-filled person CAN "go postal" on you. No matter what kind of criminal or mental health history they have. Thank the NRA, the GOP, and don't forget a pat on the back for yourself.
Really?

Wow, I didn't know the GOP and the NRA were around when the constitution was written.

You need emotional and mental help brother. You are definitely losing touch with reality.
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What's with the stupid exaggerations? Why?

People would rather talk shit and act like it's a game.
You do realize that ironically you just described your own posts...
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And I asked you a question and you dodged it.

How many democrats does it take to pass ANY bill through the senate.
It was a GOP filibuster, Minte. If there is a Dem who is truly to blame it's that little sap Harry Reid. He had the chance to get meaningful filibuster reform done, and he simply wouldn't - after he promised he would! Perhaps he's afraid of what the Repiggies could do when they get back in power (because the pendulum always swings), but I think he profoundly sucks and needs to go. And yes, I personally think Obama should have turned up the heat on Harry, but he didn't. It's extremely disappointing to me. And the 5 pussy blue-dog Dems who bowed to the NRA are pitiful. All true. But the fact remains it was another sleazy Republican filibuster that needed to be overcome. And the fact that you think it's all funny doesn't say much for you.
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And BTW - I asked you a question, and you dodged it.
No, I didn't. I said anger is a waste of my energy. I don't get angry. I have better things to do with my life than worry about politicians in Washington DC that I have minimal control over. I put my energy towards creating a good life for myself, the ones I care about, and contributing to society in a positive way.
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You do realize that ironically you just described your own posts...
I'd love to have a substantive conversation. But if people are going to talk shit what am I to do? Take them seriously?
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Did I say "the government needs to control all of us?" What's with the stupid exaggerations? Why?

And there's not a single thing I or anyone else can do about that murderous nut now. But what we can do is have adult discussions about how we can reduce the chances of another tragedy. But who wants to do that? People would rather talk shit and act like it's a game.
Your threads are not adult conversations. Anyone that disagrees with you gets called a name.
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Really?
Wow, I didn't know the GOP and the NRA were around when the constitution was written.
Since in 1787 there were no universal background checks on internet musket sales, why change now, right?

It's the NRA and the GOP that are obstructing even marginal progress TODAY.
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I'd love to have a substantive conversation. But if people are going to talk shit what am I to do? Take them seriously?
But you don't have intelligent conversations. You started this whole thread with this post:

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Gun nuts WANT felons and crazies to have guns. 90% of Americans, and the majority of gun owners, want universal background checks. The GOP doesn't care.
If I walked up to a person in real life and said that to their face to START a "conversation", I'd get my ass kicked.

You did the same thing all through 2012 during the election. Calling people names, thinking that your point of view is the only one that is right... you act a lot like our current president does on some issues: arrogant.

You either don't have any idea how to have an intelligent conversation and possibly sway people's opinions...or, more likely...you are just trolling.

The fact that you have never ONCE started a business thread leads most of us to think you are just trolling. Another surfer playing games on a adult webmaster board.

If that's not true, then start acting like you are a member of this community and toss a biz thread in here and there.

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It's the NRA and the GOP that are obstructing even marginal progress TODAY.
All change is not neccessarily "progress"
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Your threads are not adult conversations. Anyone that disagrees with you gets called a name.
Not necessarily true. Disagreements don't bother me - in fact sometimes I appreciate it.

For example, Minte reminded me of how culpable the Dems were in this mess. (But he's still a jerk for thinking it's all funny).

That fucking Harry Reid.
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Did I say "the government needs to control all of us?" What's with the stupid exaggerations? Why?

And there's not a single thing I or anyone else can do about that murderous nut now. But what we can do is have adult discussions about how we can reduce the chances of another tragedy. But who wants to do that? People would rather talk shit and act like it's a game.
NOT ONE of these laws would of stopped ANY of these killings...
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The Boston bombings should teach you something.
It's completely illegal to own any form of a bomb right now and has been for a long time.

Yet some lunatic still got their hands on them and caused massive injuries and death.

It doesn't matter what laws they pass.
Lunatics will still find guns of all forms and kill people.
It's what lunatics do...
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But you don't have intelligent conversations. You started this whole thread with this post:

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Gun nuts WANT felons and crazies to have guns. 90% of Americans, and the majority of gun owners, want universal background checks. The GOP doesn't care.

If I walked up to a person in real life and said that to their face to START a "conversation", I'd get my ass kicked.
90% of Americans do want universal background checks. That's true. The GOP doesn't care. That's also true. The first sentence is somewhat hyperbolic, I'll admit. I should have said the NRA, rather than "gun nuts".
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NOT ONE of these laws would of stopped ANY of these killings...
Exactly. If GrantMercury's precious federal govt. was REALLY concerned or gave a shit at all...they would simply repeal the 2nd amendment.

That's what Congress has the power to do. CHANGE the constitution. They've done it before when it suited them (Presidential term limits, prohibition, the repeal of prohibition, etc.).

Then the govt. would be free to make gun control laws and even ban them. But Obama is just another con man, shyster, politician. He could care less about GrantMercury or anybody. Just like ALL the politicians in Washington D.C.

That's what GrantMercury doesn't care to debate is that the Federal govt. are the biggest crooks and power hungry group of people in the world.
Every new law = less freedom for people.

Yes, laws are neccessary for a civilized society...but we have too MANY laws against EVERYTHING we do everyday! And everyday Congress tries to make NEW ones!

GrantMercury, some of us don't feel that we should give up our rights because of a few crazy people. BUT...having said that...IF Congress had the balls to actually do something that would work (repeal the 2nd Amendment) then the right to bear arms would no longer exist and they wouldn't be infringing on my rights anymore.

See the difference? You don't give a bunch of shady con men in Washington D.C. the power to infringe on your rights. You FORCE them to do the right thing (repeal the 2nd amendment) and take the political consequences.

THAT is how our republic is supposed to work.
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The Boston bombings should teach you something.
It's completely illegal to own any form of a bomb right now and has been for a long time.

Yet some lunatic still got their hands on them and caused massive injuries and death.

It doesn't matter what laws they pass.
Lunatics will still find guns of all forms and kill people.
It's what lunatics do...
So why have any laws at all?
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The Boston bombings should teach you something.
It's completely illegal to own any form of a bomb right now and has been for a long time.

Yet some lunatic still got their hands on them and caused massive injuries and death.

It doesn't matter what laws they pass.
Lunatics will still find guns of all forms and kill people.
It's what lunatics do...
that's a false equivalency.

A bomb is built, not bought...and if you did want to build a gun, it would be a hell of a lot more difficult than building a bomb.
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It was a GOP filibuster, Minte. If there is a Dem who is truly to blame it's that little sap Harry Reid. He had the chance to get meaningful filibuster reform done, and he simply wouldn't - after he promised he would! Perhaps he's afraid of what the Repiggies could do when they get back in power (because the pendulum always swings), but I think he profoundly sucks and needs to go. And yes, I personally think Obama should have turned up the heat on Harry, but he didn't. It's extremely disappointing to me. And the 5 pussy blue-dog Dems who bowed to the NRA are pitiful. All true. But the fact remains it was another sleazy Republican filibuster that needed to be overcome. And the fact that you think it's all funny doesn't say much for you.
I could care less what you think of me. I said earlier that the bill should've been passed.
The humor was in Obama and Bidens big pouty scenes on the news.


Due to procedural steps agreed to by both sides, all the amendments considered Wednesday required 60 votes to pass in the 100-member chamber, meaning Democrats and their independent allies who hold 55 seats needed support from some GOP senators to push through the Manchin-Toomey proposal.

The final vote was 54 in favor to 46 opposed with four Republicans joining most Democrats in supporting the compromise. With the outcome obvious, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, cast a "no" vote to secure the ability to bring the measure up again
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So why have any laws at all?
Tell me a LAW that would of stopped these killings???
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NOT ONE of these laws would of stopped ANY of these killings...
You know this how?
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Exactly. If GrantMercury's precious federal govt. was REALLY concerned or gave a shit at all...they would simply repeal the 2nd amendment.

That's what Congress has the power to do. CHANGE the constitution. They've done it before when it suited them (Presidential term limits, prohibition, the repeal of prohibition, etc.).

Then the govt. would be free to make gun control laws and even ban them. But Obama is just another con man, shyster, politician. He could care less about GrantMercury or anybody. Just like ALL the politicians in Washington D.C.

That's what GrantMercury doesn't care to debate is that the Federal govt. are the biggest crooks and power hungry group of people in the world.
Every new law = less freedom for people.

Yes, laws are neccessary for a civilized society...but we have too MANY laws against EVERYTHING we do everyday! And everyday Congress tries to make NEW ones!

GrantMercury, some of us don't feel that we should give up our rights because of a few crazy people. BUT...having said that...IF Congress had the balls to actually do something that would work (repeal the 2nd Amendment) then the right to bear arms would no longer exist and they wouldn't be infringing on my rights anymore.

See the difference? You don't give a bunch of shady con men in Washington D.C. the power to infringe on your rights. You FORCE them to do the right thing (repeal the 2nd amendment) and take the political consequences.

THAT is how our republic is supposed to work.
So they should just change the 2nd Amendment? That's all? We can't get something as simple as universal background checks through...but we're going to alter the Constitution? WTF?
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You know this how?
LOL,

You just proved you are a TROLL.

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Tell me a LAW that would of stopped these killings???
A common sense law that required background checks on all firearm transfers may have stopped some of them. What if it only stopped one? Would it be worth it?

Speed limits don't stop all car crashes. Should we get rid of them?
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LOL,

You just proved you are a TROLL.

Welcome to my Short Ignore List!
Oh no! Don't ignore me!!!!

Like I give a fuck.

But you didn't answer the question. It's very easy for you to say none of the bloodshed could have possibly been averted, but you don't know that.
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Due to procedural steps agreed to by both sides...
AKA filibuster by the GOP.
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If you believe in real gun control, then how come the government can have all the guns in the world?
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