Internet Sales tax is stepping stone for cross boarder income tax

[onwebcam]

Let's say you live in New Jersey and work in New York, lots of people do this to avoid taxes. Well watch and see them propose this after the sheep bend over and take this internet tax ass fucking.

Not to mention it's Obama taking another shit on US history and it's Constitution.

[Fat Panda]

ya REPUBLICANS in congress have nothing to do with it. ROFL

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by SAC

ya REPUBLICANS in congress have nothing to do with it. ROFL

Oh it's a bipartisan fucking that's for sure. They all love more money to blow.

[L-Pink]

You're talking about the state sales taxes that consumers are already supposed to be paying right?

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Let's say you live in New Jersey and work in New York, lots of people do this to avoid taxes. Well watch and see them propose this after the sheep bend over and take this internet tax ass fucking.

Not to mention it's Obama taking another shit on US history and it's Constitution.

how does living in one state and working in another help someone avoid taxes?

[epitome]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

how does living in one state and working in another help someone avoid taxes?

It doesn't.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You're talking about the state sales taxes that consumers are already supposed to be paying right?

No taxing across state lines is a major reason for the Constitution itself. During the Articles of Confederation this was allowed and it didn't work because States were over taxing foreign businesses. It would be different if this were some sort of VAT like in England where the buyer pays the tax via some local taxation office.. But the burden is put on the business whom in most cases has no presence in the State or city and thus no representation. Taxation without representation.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by epitome

It doesn't.

It does. New York City has it's own income tax. If your primary residence isn't New York City you don't pay this tax. It's like this in cities all across America and States as well. Many people reside in TN and work in KY and avoid KY's state income tax. Many who live in TN cross into KY to buy goods to avoid TN's sales tax.

This bill is being passed to blur those lines.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

No taxing across state lines is a major reason for the Constitution itself. It would be different if this were some sort of VAT like in England where the buyer pays the tax. But the burden is put on the business whom in most cases has no presence in the State or city and thus no representation. Taxation without representation.

Wrong. The business is not being taxed. The business is simply collecting a sales/use tax already imposed on that states consumers of the product being sold.

Instate businesses have to collect it and pay the state why should an out of state business not have the same requirements? Again, you are simply collecting a tax on the consumer. The only taxes a business pays is on profit not sales.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Wrong. The business is not being taxed. The business is simply collecting a sales/use tax already imposed on that states consumers of the product being sold.

Instate businesses have to collect it and pay the state why should an out of state business not have the same requirements? Again, you are simply collecting a tax on the consumer. The only taxes a business pays is on profit not sales.

The busniess is being taxed by burden of collecting and making payments.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The busniess is being taxed by burden of collecting and making payments.

Oh come on, the local business has the burden of collecting what makes an out of state company special?

Complying with laws in a state you wish to do business in is a cost of doing business. And having the same legal burden as someone with a local presence is common sense. If you have enough volume to actually comply with this law you can easily comply.

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[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The busniess is being taxed by burden of collecting and making payments.

if you ever ran a business then you would know that usually you get a number per month or quarter from your tax accountant and simply send that amount.

at least thats how it works here.

why do so many of you people have such a cry baby attitude about things that are daily routine for the civilized rest of the world?

jeeeez

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It does. New York City has it's own income tax. If your primary residence isn't New York City you don't pay this tax. It's like this in cities all across America and States as well. Many people reside in TN and work in KY and avoid KY's state income tax. Many who live in TN cross into KY to buy goods to avoid TN's sales tax.

This bill is being passed to blur those lines.

My primary residence is Florida but I've paid Kentucky income tax for the last 15 years, and not because I can't afford a good CPA.

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[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

if you ever ran a business then you would know that usually you get a number per month or quarter from your tax accountant and simply send that amount.

at least thats how it works here.

why do so many of you people have such a cry baby attitude about things that are daily routine for the civilized rest of the world?

jeeeez

I think losing some of the price advantage has more to do with bitching that having to collect the taxes.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I think losing some of the price advantage has more to do with bitching that having to collect the taxes.

thats why it should be how it is everywhere else: one federal VAT that is already included in the prices.

actually most countries have 2 rates - a low one for groceries and a higher one for the rest

but as a consumer you never see the net prices

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

if you ever ran a business then you would know that usually you get a number per month or quarter from your tax accountant and simply send that amount.

at least thats how it works here.

why do so many of you people have such a cry baby attitude about things that are daily routine for the civilized rest of the world?

jeeeez

Originally Posted by L-Pink

My primary residence is Florida but I've paid Kentucky income tax for the last 15 years, and not because I can't afford a good CPA.

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As of now I don't need to afford a CPA because I handle my own accounting but because of it I will now have to.. It's an added expense which yes i will pass on to the consumer which as stated in another post increases my pricing advantage and thus will likely kill my internet biz. I sell high dollar items so 5-10% bump in price is much more noticeable. I feel for those who sell $5-$10 items more so though since their costs to collect and remit payments will likely exceed the tax revenue itself.

For the life of me I can't see how anyone in this business can support this law. This is going to turn out to be even more burdensome on small business than Obama care.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

For the life of me I can't see how anyone in this business can support this law. This is going to turn out to be even more burdensome on small business than Obama care.

The two combined are going to kill many small businesses. Obama and his cronies are laughing straight to the bank.

[kane]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

how does living in one state and working in another help someone avoid taxes?

I can give you a perfect example. Here in Oregon we have a state income tax, but no sales tax. If you are in Portland, you can drive across the bridge to Vancouver, Washington where they have a sales tax, but no state income tax. There are a ton of people who live in Vancouver, but work in Oregon and they do most of their major shopping in Oregon. There are actually big malls built right off the last exist of the freeway as you head towards Washington.

So by living in Washington you can save 7-8% by not having to pay the state income tax and by shopping in Oregon you can save more by not having to pay the state sales tax.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You're talking about the state sales taxes that consumers are already supposed to be paying right?

that's what I'm thinking too...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The two combined are going to kill many small businesses. Obama and his cronies are laughing straight to the bank.

Not trying to be a dick but ? If you have a business that only survives because of a sales tax advantage you have a business that was living on borrowed time.

And what kind of business plan sees long term viability based on not collecting existing sales taxes?

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[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Not trying to be a dick but … If you have a business that only survives because of a sales tax advantage you have a business that was living on borrowed time.

And what kind of business plan sees long term viability based on not collecting existing sales taxes?

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Most people shop online for the tax savings. Believing otherwise is ignorant. I can easily pay my cell phone bill anywhere around town but instead I buy cards online and save myself $5 per phone. After this law passes no need to do so anymore. There goes my business to those online companies.

[L-Pink]

"Obama and his cronies are laughing straight to the bank" … What? How does collecting state sales taxes put money in anyones pocket except the state government it's owed to?

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[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Most people shop online for the tax savings. Believing otherwise is ignorant. I can easily pay my cell phone bill anywhere around town but instead I buy cards online and save myself $5 per phone.

They shop on line to AVOID taxes! That loophole is being closed. It's not a NEW tax. What's wrong with the states wanting to collect based on what they are already owed?

[kane]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Most people shop online for the tax savings. Believing otherwise is ignorant. I can easily pay my cell phone bill anywhere around town but instead I buy cards online and save myself $5 per phone. After this law passes no need to do so anymore. There goes my business to those online companies.

This statement about your cell phone bill confuses me. What kind of cards are you buying that are allowing you to save $5 per phone on your bill?

Also, I'm not so sure how many people shop online just to avoid a sales tax. Where I live there is no sales tax so I don't pay one online. However, if there were a sales tax and I had to pay that tax when I shopped online I would still likely shop online because of the convenience.

I don't doubt that there are people who shop online to avoid a sales tax, but I don't think MOST people are shopping online to avoid a tax.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

"Obama and his cronies are laughing straight to the bank" … What? How does collecting state sales taxes put money in anyones pocket except the state government it's owed to?

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Obama is for big business. Large corporations already pay these taxes because they have a presence in most states. This bill is to further burden small business.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

They shop on line to AVOID taxes! That loophole is being closed. It's not a NEW tax. What's wrong with the states wanting to collect based on what they are already owed?

Yes many people do and the States aren't owed anything because the businesses have no local presence and the law makers have no accountability to those businesses.

What we will begin to see is States targeting businesses in other States solely for the purpose of putting them out of business. What do they have to lose since they aren't going to be voting for them next election?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

This bill is to further burden small business.

lol, no it's not.

Have you never owned a local business and had to go thru the steps of collecting sales tax?

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[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

lol, no it's not.

It is. Again large corporations already pay taxes to most States so who is this bill for then?

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Have you never owned a local business and had to go thru the steps of collecting sales tax?

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I currently collect local sales taxes but 95+% of my business is out of state business. It's a pain in the ass just sifting out the few local sales to remit payments there multiplying that by 50 is a nightmare waiting to happen.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It is. Again large corporations already pay taxes to most States so who is this bill for then?

It's for making up lost tax revenue on a state level.

Have you never owned a business that collect sales tax for the state?


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[sarettah]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Let's say you live in New Jersey and work in New York, lots of people do this to avoid taxes.

Um. wrong there. If you live in Jersey and work in New York, New York state income taxes are withheld and you file two income tax forms, one in New York as an out of state resident and one in New Jersey as an in state resident. You get credit from New Jersey for the taxes you paid to New York.

Same all across the country.

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[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It's for making up lost tax revenue on a state level.

And the only business that will be affected is small business.

[baddog]

What's a cross boarder?
A tenant that likes to cross-dress?

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by baddog

What's a cross boarder?
A tenant that likes to cross-dress?

Funny but in all seriousness, taxing income across State lines. So next they will say that since you produced income from whatever state you must pay the income tax from said State.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by baddog

What's a cross boarder?
A tenant that likes to cross-dress?

948 posts ? WTF???

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Funny but in all seriousness, taxing income across State lines. So next they will say that since you produced income from whatever state you must pay the income tax from said State.

My God you are clueless tonight …..

Goodnight.


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[tony286]

Fyi jefferson never said the quote in your sig.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

My God you are clueless tonight …..

Goodnight.

You haven't taken into consideration that not all States charge a sales tax. So how is it fair to those states? How will they make it fair? This isn't the end of this taxation you can bet. This is just a test to see what they can get away with and as it appears they can get away with anything and spineless Americans will take it in stride.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

You haven't taken into consideration that not all States charge a sales tax. So how is it fair to those states? How will they make it fair?

If some states don't have a sales tax then you don't collect it. What's the question?

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[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

if you ever ran a business then you would know that usually you get a number per month or quarter from your tax accountant and simply send that amount.

at least thats how it works here.

why do so many of you people have such a cry baby attitude about things that are daily routine for the civilized rest of the world?

jeeeez

yes that's how it is here Steven...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Funny but in all seriousness, taxing income across State lines. So next they will say that since you produced income from whatever state you must pay the income tax from said State.

think they already do that...

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

If some states don't have a sales tax then you don't collect it. What's the question?

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The question is when those States see the other States receiving increased revenue from this law what will be next? Will they just pass up on the additional revenue? No. Will they pass a sales tax accross the board just to receive those revenues? Highly unlikey because they have to answer to their citizens. Will those States pass laws that only out of State businesses pay a sales tax? Will they charge an income tax to out of state businesses? One way or another they are going to get theirs and either way this isn't the end of this law. It's just a stepping stone. Once they see that they can pass this they will then change it to what they are really after. Which will most likely end up being a national sales tax handled by our favorite people in Washington.

[KillerK]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Most people shop online for the tax savings. Believing otherwise is ignorant. I can easily pay my cell phone bill anywhere around town but instead I buy cards online and save myself $5 per phone. After this law passes no need to do so anymore. There goes my business to those online companies.

Bullshit!!

Most people shop online because the price of the item is CHEAPER.

For example,

EVGA - GeForce GTX 650 Ti 2GB GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card

BestBuy = $229.99
Newegg = $169.99

That's why i shop online.

Saving Tax is an added bonus. But newegg you pay tax if you live in California.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

think they already do that...

When I sell an item to KY living in TN I don't pay a KY income tax. So no they don't.

[kane]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Funny but in all seriousness, taxing income across State lines. So next they will say that since you produced income from whatever state you must pay the income tax from said State.

Actually, some people already do this. I was reading a little while back about how NFL players mus file and pay state income tax in every state they play in during a given year. This means if they visit 8 different states to play road games throughout the season they must pay state taxes in all 8 of those states.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

When I sell an item to KY living in TN I don't pay a KY income tax. So no they don't.

You are mixing two different concepts together.

Sales tax is usually based on where the buyer is at the time of the sale.

Income tax is based on where the income earner is at the time of earning the income.

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[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by sarettah

You are mixing two different concepts together.

Sales tax is usually based on where the buyer is at the time of the sale.

Income tax is based on where the income earner is at the time of earning the income.

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Some states tax via income, some tax via sales tax and some have a mixture of both. If the idea is really for lost revenues those states that tax an income tax and no sales tax will want to find a way to compensate so how will that happen? There is nothing "fair" about this law. It's meant to cause disrtuption so the solution can be introduced. All the politicians can see right now is dollar signs and as usual not thinking this through even remotely. Like Obama care "we'll find out whats in it after we pass it."

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by kane

This statement about your cell phone bill confuses me. What kind of cards are you buying that are allowing you to save $5 per phone on your bill?

Also, I'm not so sure how many people shop online just to avoid a sales tax. Where I live there is no sales tax so I don't pay one online. However, if there were a sales tax and I had to pay that tax when I shopped online I would still likely shop online because of the convenience.

I don't doubt that there are people who shop online to avoid a sales tax, but I don't think MOST people are shopping online to avoid a tax.

I have 3 prepaid phones. If I buy the cards locally then it's 9.25% tax. If I buy them online from an out of state retailer I don't pay that. Works out to about $5 each.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

948 posts ? WTF???

I am almost eligible for a t-shirt I think.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

If some states don't have a sales tax then you don't collect it. What's the question?

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Always with the tough questions.

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

think they already do that...

They do.

Originally Posted by onwebcam

The question is when those States see the other States receiving increased revenue from this law what will be next? . . . .

You don't think states without certain taxes have noticed that other states are generating revenue that they aren't? Really?

[kane]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

I have 3 prepaid phones. If I buy the cards locally then it's 9.25% tax. If I buy them online from an out of state retailer I don't pay that. Works out to about $5 each.

Another question.

Wouldn't this new tax just make it so the online place has to charge you a sales tax for the cards?

If that is the case why is that so evil? It is just evening the playing field so brick and mortar stores don't have to compete against sales tax free online shops.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by kane

Another question.

Wouldn't this new tax just make it so the online place has to charge you a sales tax for the cards?

If that is the case why is that so evil? It is just evening the playing field so brick and mortar stores don't have to compete against sales tax free online shops.

Brick and mortar businesses pay one maybe two taxes. We're talking 45 taxes at a minimum. You do the math.

[kane]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Brick and mortar businesses pay one maybe two taxes. We're talking 45 taxes at a minimum. You do the math.

Where are you getting these numbers? I haven't read anything about this law/tax. can you link to some info on it?