A Thought/Suggestion For Processors (CCBill, Epoch, etc.) - GoFuckYourself.com

BFT3K · 08-31-2013, 12:18 PM

The owner of Clips4Sale often spends some of his profits on advertising C4S and the stores within. This helps drive traffic to C4S which benefits store owners AS WELL AS the owner of C4S.

Maybe it's time for 3rd party processors to invest in traffic building methods as well, as it would help all concerned.

Another example of a way to help clients, would be to offer something like a processor owned blog network, like thumblogger was for AFF, where CCBill and Cave Creek (for example) offer their clients free blogs to promote their sites, which all bill exclusively through CCBill.

Or, they just offer a comprehensive directory or review site of some sort, which notifies surfers of site updates, or deals, or whatever, and they pay to get the word out.

Maybe I'm not communicating this idea perfectly, but in a nutshell, the idea would be that processors who ALSO stand to benefit from more site joins, pony up a few pennies to help the collective cause.

What say you?

Sly · 08-31-2013, 12:21 PM

I would rather they spend their money on creating a better processing platform nonstop.

geedub · 08-31-2013, 12:25 PM

Comparing a clip store engine to third party processors is like apples to oranges. Like Sly says, they should be spending their money on creating a better processing platform, which epoch at least seems to do.

BFT3K · 08-31-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by geedub

Comparing a clip store engine to third party processors is like apples to oranges. Like Sly says, they should be spending their money on creating a better processing platform, which epoch at least seems to do.

I don't see it that way.

Clips4Sale is a giant hub of stores (sites) that sell clips, and when a clip is sold, C4S and the store owner both benefit.

CCBill is a processor for a number of sites that sell joins, and when a join is sold, CCBill and the site owner both benefit.

Not apples to oranges to me.. pretty much the same thing as far as I'm concerned.

And, as far as they using all of their money to work on back-end technologies, instead of promoting sales, that does not make any sense to me either, as long as my join pages are working.

Everything else is just like inside baseball... it's not nearly as important as money invested to make more sales.

geedub · 08-31-2013, 12:41 PM

If you think your credit card processor should focus on getting you traffic versus processing your customer's credit card data.. I really don't know what to say. Does your hosting company help with your graphic design?

BFT3K · 08-31-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by geedub

If you think your credit card processor should focus on getting you traffic versus processing your customer's credit card data.. I really don't know what to say. Does your hosting company help with your graphic design?

Processing companies have been successfully charging credit cards for over 15 years. Perhaps it's time to expand their services to help people make money and get more joins now.

The wheel has been round since its inception.

geedub · 08-31-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Processing companies have been successfully charging credit cards for over 15 years. Perhaps it's time to expand their services to help people make money and get more joins now.

The wheel has been round since its inception.

The good ones help by improving their service they specialize in... You need to help yourself if you want your products to sell better.

BFT3K · 08-31-2013, 01:00 PM

Free content will diminish the value of what we are selling.

Industry Reply: Adapt or die.

Tube sites will kill off 90% of this industry.

Industry Reply: That's your own fault. Thieves should be rewarded.

Processors should help people (including themselves) promote sites and make more money..

Industry Reply: That's not their job.

What a shortsighted, idiotic, fucking self-destructive industry this is... run by total fools.

Sad.

fitzmulti · 08-31-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Processing companies have been successfully charging credit cards for over 15 years. Perhaps it's time to expand their services to help people make money and get more joins now.

The wheel has been round since its inception.

So...how would say, CCBILL, "fairly" decide who to "help" get their traffic?
A smaller program like mine...or one that sells like mad already?

Would they join various affiliate programs and "double dip"?

I'd just as soon let them stay a processor only...

bean-aid · 08-31-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Processing companies have been successfully charging credit cards for over 15 years. Perhaps it's time to expand their services to help people make money and get more joins now.

The wheel has been round since its inception.

I absolutely agree. 15% Is a shitload and deserves more value. I pay 2.9% for mainstream and I do not expect any more then to process the money and put into my bank. For 15% should include much more then whatv is currently offered.

epitome · 08-31-2013, 01:09 PM

They should start a babysitting service too so that site owners that are parents can focus on their business more.

epitome · 08-31-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by beaner

I absolutely agree. 15% Is a shitload and deserves more value. I pay 2.9% for mainstream and I do not expect any more then to process the money and put into my bank. For 15% should include much more then whatv is currently offered.

Many companies do not pay 15%. They're in the position to negotiate. If you don't like 15% work harder to put yourself in the same position. If you'd rather not do that, find or build your own solution.

geedub · 08-31-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

They should start a babysitting service too so that site owners that are parents can focus on their business more.

That would be very thoughtful of them.

BFT3K · 08-31-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fitzmulti

So...how would say, CCBILL, "fairly" decide who to "help" get their traffic?
A smaller program like mine...or one that sells like mad already?

Would they join various affiliate programs and "double dip"?

I'd just as soon let them stay a processor only...

There are plenty of ways to fairly assist their clients. A free blog service along the lines of what thumblogger used to be, could be a very effective first step.

bean-aid · 08-31-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Many companies do not pay 15%. They're in the position to negotiate. If you don't like 15% work harder to put yourself in the same position. If you'd rather not do that, find or build your own solution.

Majority pay around 15%.

I pay 5.5% for adult. That is not the point though. And good idea, I am working on something.

pornguy · 08-31-2013, 02:35 PM

CCBill had something like this a LONG time ago. Not blogs but a system to connect with other similar sites etc etc.

was a complete waste.

Mutt · 08-31-2013, 03:13 PM

CCBILL and Epoch should charge less, 14.5% is ridiculous in my opinion, they get away with it because they know the majority of their clients are mom and pop operations who can't or don't want to get their own merchant account and run their own affiliate program software - so no reason for them to drop their fees a couple points. The 5% holdback is another money grab, we know it's not necessary because Epoch has survived and thrived without it.

CCBILL does have features that are meant to make more money for their clients and themselves - access to your customer emails you can mail to, cross-sales, and one click upsells/upgrades. The one click upsells, both to the clients other sites or sites owned by other processed by CCBILL should be much much easier to implement, most CCBILL clients I know don't do it simply because they don't know how.

BFT3K · 09-03-2013, 06:25 AM

AmeliaG · 09-03-2013, 08:37 AM

In my experience, a lot of surfers have a preference for a specific billing company and CCBill does seem to come up well here as a join page surfers trust.

BFT3K suggested a useful idea and something which CCBill could afford to outsource cheaply or otherwise use minimal resources to do.

C4S is almost precisely the same thing as an IPSP except they take like 40%, which makes that 15% or whatever seem pretty sweet.

CCBill did used to have a sort of database for finding other CCBill sites by keyword, but almost nobody put any keywords into the system, and it had a kind of awful UX. So they are not wholly opposed to the concept, just could do with something more robust.

08-31-2013, 12:18 PM	#1
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	A Thought/Suggestion For Processors (CCBill, Epoch, etc.) The owner of Clips4Sale often spends some of his profits on advertising C4S and the stores within. This helps drive traffic to C4S which benefits store owners AS WELL AS the owner of C4S. Maybe it's time for 3rd party processors to invest in traffic building methods as well, as it would help all concerned. Another example of a way to help clients, would be to offer something like a processor owned blog network, like thumblogger was for AFF, where CCBill and Cave Creek (for example) offer their clients free blogs to promote their sites, which all bill exclusively through CCBill. Or, they just offer a comprehensive directory or review site of some sort, which notifies surfers of site updates, or deals, or whatever, and they pay to get the word out. Maybe I'm not communicating this idea perfectly, but in a nutshell, the idea would be that processors who ALSO stand to benefit from more site joins, pony up a few pennies to help the collective cause. What say you? Last edited by BFT3K; 08-31-2013 at 12:21 PM..

08-31-2013, 12:21 PM	#2
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,244	I would rather they spend their money on creating a better processing platform nonstop. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Fully Managed VPS, Daily Backups Included - Starting at $25. Contact for more info. Sell me your: Paysites and Hosting Company. Buy my: Aged Domains and Sites

08-31-2013, 12:25 PM	#3
geedub Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: concrete jungle Posts: 3,487	Comparing a clip store engine to third party processors is like apples to oranges. Like Sly says, they should be spending their money on creating a better processing platform, which epoch at least seems to do. __________________ Reliable web host that actually cares, tell em geedub sent ya. Vacares

08-31-2013, 12:41 PM	#5
geedub Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: concrete jungle Posts: 3,487	If you think your credit card processor should focus on getting you traffic versus processing your customer's credit card data.. I really don't know what to say. Does your hosting company help with your graphic design? __________________ Reliable web host that actually cares, tell em geedub sent ya. Vacares

08-31-2013, 02:35 PM	#16
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08-31-2013, 01:00 PM	#8
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Free content will diminish the value of what we are selling. Industry Reply: Adapt or die. Tube sites will kill off 90% of this industry. Industry Reply: That's your own fault. Thieves should be rewarded. Processors should help people (including themselves) promote sites and make more money.. Industry Reply: That's not their job. What a shortsighted, idiotic, fucking self-destructive industry this is... run by total fools. Sad.

08-31-2013, 01:09 PM	#11
epitome So Fucking Lame Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 12,158	They should start a babysitting service too so that site owners that are parents can focus on their business more.

08-31-2013, 03:13 PM	#17
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	CCBILL and Epoch should charge less, 14.5% is ridiculous in my opinion, they get away with it because they know the majority of their clients are mom and pop operations who can't or don't want to get their own merchant account and run their own affiliate program software - so no reason for them to drop their fees a couple points. The 5% holdback is another money grab, we know it's not necessary because Epoch has survived and thrived without it. CCBILL does have features that are meant to make more money for their clients and themselves - access to your customer emails you can mail to, cross-sales, and one click upsells/upgrades. The one click upsells, both to the clients other sites or sites owned by other processed by CCBILL should be much much easier to implement, most CCBILL clients I know don't do it simply because they don't know how. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

09-03-2013, 06:25 AM	#18
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764

09-03-2013, 08:37 AM	#19
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,417	In my experience, a lot of surfers have a preference for a specific billing company and CCBill does seem to come up well here as a join page surfers trust. BFT3K suggested a useful idea and something which CCBill could afford to outsource cheaply or otherwise use minimal resources to do. C4S is almost precisely the same thing as an IPSP except they take like 40%, which makes that 15% or whatever seem pretty sweet. CCBill did used to have a sort of database for finding other CCBill sites by keyword, but almost nobody put any keywords into the system, and it had a kind of awful UX. So they are not wholly opposed to the concept, just could do with something more robust. __________________ Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio