Dark Side of the Greens exposes Trump

[Paul Markham]

BBC Four - Dark Side of the Greens

I watched the program last night. It covers how big business is raping the landscape to build golf course for the 0.05%. Not even the 1% can afford some of the fees.

They install gold course for the very rich in places where they're not needed by the locals, have a huge impact on the environment and people. Most of the time there is huge local opposition to them, which is ignored by a few politicians who are only interested in money. Even ignoring referendums overwhelmingly against the development.

The damage the courses do to the environment is huge, the promised jobs for locals never appear.

Trump shows his skills of negotiation. In my opinion, he ignores the evidence, insults, slanders and sues opponents and just buys his way through. I have to say in my opinion, he has tried to sue those who speak out against him.

If you can watch it and ask if this is a man who should have the power of the White House behind him?

I have a copy for any interested.

[woj]

In what way do they impact the environment? certainly beats putting up a factory I would think? and golf course employs dozens, if not 100s of people, so what do you mean no jobs get created? and that's on top of all the jobs created to actually construct the golf course...

[CaptainHowdy]

Just passing by ...

[12clicks]

I like golf courses.

[JJ Gold]

Another has been zilch thinking their penny ante opinion means a damn thing.

You should be worried about how to avoid breaking a hip, not American politics.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by woj

In what way do they impact the environment? certainly beats putting up a factory I would think? and golf course employs dozens, if not 100s of people, so what do you mean no jobs get created? and that's on top of all the jobs created to actually construct the golf course...

The take water in huge amounts from dwindling supplies, they then add fertilisers, pesticides and other chemicals to grow grass where grass isn't meant to grow. They can also destroy natural habitat, if built close to the sea destroy natural barriers against the erosion. The amount of water they consume is scary, I believe there's a drought in California which feeds off the same water system as many golf courses.

Wait till the price of food goes up, or they build one close to you and your water gets expensive or contaminated.





They do create minimum wage jobs, waiters, bar staff, caddies, but little wealth flows out from the golf courses which are all enclosed and self contained.

As for world politics, these golf courses are built anywhere they can be. As for the President of the US and a Brit interested in who is in the White House. My cousin fought in Afghanistan and Iraq as part of the special forces.

[SmutHammer]

I'm guessing Mark hacked Paul's account.

I'm voting for Trump

[L-Pink]

As a native Floridian watching development is as natural as watching it rain. Foolish to think you can stop either.

[EonBlue]

I always laugh at greentards that think watering grass is "wasting water" as if that water is sucked into a black hole and gone forever. The amount of water on earth has been more or less constant for billions of years. The only way for the earth to truly lose water is for it to be stripped from the atmosphere by the solar wind and lost to space.



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[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

I always laugh at greentards that think watering grass is "wasting water" as if that water is sucked into a black hole and gone forever. The amount of water on earth has been more or less constant for billions of years. The only way for the earth to truly lose water is for it to be stripped from the atmosphere by the solar wind and lost to space.

yes and no...the total amount of water is constant this is completely true...but the amount of clean and available ground water is not...

the more you pump the more you "plug" the ground...lets take herbicides completely out of the picture and just focus on the effect of pumping mineral rich water, the minerals sediment in the ground and form a layer or plug...this never goes away ever...

when hanibal invaded the roman empire, the romans went to tunis (where hanibal is from) and pumped sea water all over their fertile fields and to this day, 2000 years later, the ground is still infertile...

ok sea water has tons more minerals than normal ground water but they pumped for just a few days, you get a good picture of what constant watering does to the ground...

now lets put herbicides in to the picture and fertilizers, lets take in to account that plants do not want to grow on desert sand but need nutrients...

in short: you guys will be fine for the next 50 years...but dont plan on having a golf course or anything green growing there for the next 1000 years after that...I guess you can play golf on astroturf

I own commercial greenhouses I know a bit about this ect...

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

yes and no...the total amount of water is constant this is completely true...but the amount of clean and available ground water is not...

the more you pump the more you "plug" the ground...lets take herbicides completely out of the picture and just focus on the effect of pumping mineral rich water, the minerals sediment in the ground and form a layer or plug...this never goes away ever...

when hanibal invaded the roman empire, the romans went to tunis (where hanibal is from) and pumped sea water all over their fertile fields and to this day, 2000 years later, the ground is still infertile...

ok sea water has tons more minerals than normal ground water but they pumped for just a few days, you get a good picture of what constant watering does to the ground...

now lets put herbicides in to the picture and fertilizers, lets take in to account that plants do not want to grow on desert sand but need nutrients...

in short: you guys will be fine for the next 50 years...but dont plan on having a golf course or anything green growing there for the next 1000 years after that...I guess you can play golf on astroturf

I own commercial greenhouses I know a bit about this ect...

Fair enough. I understand about water contamination and soil salinity. But properly applied herbicides and fertilizers should not persist in the environment though they will if over-applied. I guess that tends to happen more often in arid areas.

I agree that it is quite a fool's errand to be greening golf courses in the desert - just as I think it is ridiculous to have large cities there.

But for those of us that live in areas with abundant rainfall, abundant fresh water and abundant land I find the OP's generalized attack on golf courses to be ridiculous - especially when he makes it out to be a game for the uber-rich.


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[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Fair enough. I understand about water contamination and soil salinity. But properly applied herbicides and fertilizers should not persist in the environment though they will if over-applied. I guess that tends to happen more often in arid areas.

I agree that it is quite a fool's errand to be greening golf courses in the desert - just as I think it is ridiculous to have large cities there.

But for those of us that live in areas with abundant rainfall, abundant fresh water and abundant land I find the OP's generalized attack on golf courses to be ridiculous - especially when he makes it out to be a game for the uber-rich.


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rain has low minerals, unlike treated water and ground water...rainwater is fine...the problem is when you irrigate with treated water its like coating the plant with a thin layer of bleach...

[crockett]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

As a native Floridian watching development is as natural as watching it rain. Foolish to think you can stop either.

You should look into what all that development has done to FL's river. The fertilizer run off from all the dickheads that have to put chemicals on their lawns had taken a pretty significant toll.

[Paul Markham]

I was referring to the comments made by water conservationists, environmentalists, etc.

Taking millions of gallons out of the system that supplies drinking water and irrigation, then pouring into an area without a natural underground reservoir, or desert, or an area where water is already precious. Is insanity.

To do it in the face of local and expert opposition for the benefit of a very few. Is undemocratic.

The response from Trump, when faced with an expert on coastal erosion, was to bring in his expert. A golf course designer who couldn't answer the questions asked. About how much of the natural dunes that acted as a barrier to the sea. That needed to be removed to build the golf course.

Trump pulled out when the Government refused to cancel the wind farm as he demanded. It spoilt the view from his luxury hotel.

The damage they do to the natural environment is huge.

His "negotiation skills" is to pour money into a few of the top politicians coffers, and expect them to give what ever he demands. He will find that doesn't always work or very expensive for taxpayers.