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Being a Ukrainian: ways to go out of your country
So, if you are a Ukrainian and sick of your Government and fellow Ukrainians,
and you're working online making 3k+ then you might wanna consider several ways to live out of your country within a whole year. The estimate is made for a single person of course, or a couple, adding kids would enlarge a budget up to 5k+. So, based on the latest visa free ( some are 90 days at once, some are indefintie stay) country list there are three ways. The cheapest would be Asian, then Central American and South American. Asian: ![]() Central American: ![]() South American: ![]() There is also another, probably the best way, if you have a B1/B2 5 year US visa you'd stick around USA, Mexico and Costa Rica for a whole year. All the countries mentioned allow 90 - 180 ( like Peru ) day stay, some are indefinite ( Georgia ). You wont need to care about visas or status change in that case. That's my report.
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That's an American way IMHO, your gun powered mentality is telling you, get cured ASAP.
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Just do it already, by the time you will make a decision everything will change.
Do you know how much time families had to think about this in 1990? 3 months max. Pack up and dosvedania. You have been thinking about it for at least 7 years! |
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Ask fellow GFY'ers for free hook ups with Air Azerbaijan and off you go.
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Will it be appropriate if I ask you to post tits first?
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huh?
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la gente está muy loca
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why you mad bro
you dont like mamaliga anymore |
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That's in Moldavia, as far as I know.
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You can get an FMT in mexico for 6 months in most cased and renew it by leaving the country for 24 hours. so you take a vacation from vacation and go to Belize and back.
Getting an FM3 residency is pretty easy as well if you can prove your income.
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Hint: if a country is easy for you to enter and stay long term, it's a bigger shithole than the one you're from.
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It's only partially true.
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Maybe. But I'd rather live in the Ukraine than any of the countries underlined above.
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Please, share your experience.
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I believe the Ukraine is more likely than the others to become a member of the EU.
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Not happening anytime soon.
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I like my country - Germany and I think I am going to stay here. But it is good to have some traveling from time to time and see other places. America seems tempting.
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I could not imagine what it feels like to want to leave your country...
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In your country people ask me why i speak English.
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And thanks for sarcasm.
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In fact there is no more country I was born in ... what's left its a parody.
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I'm sure there's a lot of obvious corruption in Ukraine (in the EU and US the powers that be do a better job of concealing it and keeping it to themselves), but I'd still say it's probably less than the others.
What do you hate about Ukraine? Remember, most people probably hate things about their country, especially politicians or politics, and think the grass is greener elsewhere. |
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Essentially I feel fine in Slavic countries like Poland, Slovakia. But their joining EU makes the move nearly impossible.
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Once you cross the border you see thing change. And it goes on and on... I currently reside out of Ukraine, fighting EU bureaucracy.
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http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/pol...s-i-v-ts-opros
thats because Ukrainians have connections with Russia. I'd cut the cheese in half and let them join Russia while allowing other side to join EU.
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Well, yeah, in the case of Eastern Europe compared to the US or Western Europe the grass is greener.
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as an independent work force means facing a ton of restrictions and requirements that doesnt touch locals or other EU citizens AT ALL.
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And its a crucial part in signing a EU association papers.
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Sid70, у тебя есть старые умирающие родители или дети, которым нужно закончить образование именно на Украине? Если нет, то каого хрена ты до сих пор еще там?
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На самом деле, вопрос "куда свалить", он реально очень сложный. Если ты думаешь, что в Шататах манна небесная, то ты очень сильно заблуждаешься. Для нас - людей, рожденных в СССР, там реальная жопа - с медициной, с полицейским беспределом и т.д. Поверь мне - человеку, который часто бывает в Штатах. Туризм там отменный, но путать его с эмиграцией я бы не стал...
Европа, она тоже разная. Из всех мест, где я побывал, наиболее близким по духу мне кажется Каталония (не Испания, заметь). Я бы пожил там, если была бы на то возможность, но ее нет. Пос семейным причинам. Человек вообще, очень сильно зависит от среды, в которой он вырос. Я сегодня вечером гулял по Москве и понял, что в мире очень мало мест, способных заменить мне ощущения спокойствия и "домашности", что я чувствую здесь. Вот как-то так.
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Google Translateski.
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What city do you live in? And what is the average salary in Ukraine?
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i dont have much idea about it, hope you find some decent place.
you should try asia btw , its not that expensive and you can live great life if you find perfect place. Best wishes.
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Ха! Это вопрос личной беседы. Не все так просто.
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Not in Ukraine now. The salary is not related question. Ukraine is sick.
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З.Ы. Меня тоже многое задолбало в России. Меня Задолбал Путин со своими-друзьями ворами. Меня задолбал парламент, принимающий идиотские законы и т.д. С одной стороны, хочется свалить от всех этих пидарасов. С другой - за границей своих пидарасов не меньше.
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a che tebe v kieve ploxo, ya tam bul nedavno, esli esti' deni'gi to dage sovcem neploxo tam (drygie goroda eto da pizdec )... interesno yznati' shto nehvataet ?
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Spain are giving away permits if you buy house. Loads of Russians arriving, I know you´re not Russian, but if they can get in you can.
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Shitty environment.
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200k+ cash? They can.
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