Materials implicating Syrian govt in chemical attack prepared before incident

[wehateporn]

Materials implicating Syrian govt in chemical attack prepared before incident

http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-prepared-advance-901/


"Materials implicating the forces of Syrian president Bashar Assad in chemical weapons use near Damascus were prepared prior to the alleged incident on August 21, the Russian foreign ministry said.

Moscow continues to monitor closely the event surrounding the ?alleged? chemical attack near Damascus, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Aleksandr Lukashevich, said in a statement.

?We?re getting more new evidence that this criminal act was of a provocative nature,? he stressed. ?In particular, there are reports circulating on the Internet, in particular that the materials of the incident and accusations against government troops had been posted for several hours before the so-called attack. Thus, it was a pre-planned action.?

Below are the three videos posted on Youtube said to be showing the child victims affected by chemical weapons near Damascus. Despite the date of the alleged attack ? August 21 ? being mentioned in their titles, they were posted on YouTube one the previous day, August 20.

(Videos here if you want them http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-prepared-advance-901/ )

Despite the 7-hour time difference between Syria and the US, where the YouTube server is located, the mismatch of the dates in the videos raised concerns among some experts about the exact time of the upload.

The Damascus chemical attack accusations indicate the launch of ?another anti-Syrian propaganda wave? and, in this context, the calls on the UN Security Council to immediately use force in Syria ?heard from some EU capitals? are ?unacceptable?, Lukashevich said.

The Foreign Ministry spokesman said that Assad?s government has demonstrated a ?constructive approach? to the chemical weapons issue by allowing UN experts into the country.

But it?s alarming that the ?same signals? aren?t coming from the Syrian opposition, which so far hasn?t displayed willingness to ensure the safety and efficient operations of UN investigators on the territory it controls, he said.

?This directly impedes the objective investigation of allegations of possible cases of chemical weapons use in Syria, which is called for by a number of countries and which the Russian side supports,? Lukashevich noted.

The Russian foreign ministry ?strongly appeals to those who should put pressure on the opposition, making it take the necessary steps in order to ensure the full realization of the objectives of the international expert mission,? the spokesman said.

Meanwhile, the UK has put the blame for the Damascus chemical attack on Assad?s forces, saying it thought the Syrian government had ?something to hide.?

"I know that some people in the world would like to say that this is some kind of conspiracy brought about by the opposition in Syria,? William Hague, British Foreign Secretary, is cited as saying by Reuters. ?I think the chances of that are vanishingly small and so we do believe that this is a chemical attack by the Assad regime.?

The reports of a chemical weapons use in the suburbs of the Ghouta region on the outskirts Damascus appeared in the pro-opposition media on Wednesday, August 21, coinciding with the arrival of the UN investigators to the Syrian capital.

The Islamist rebels claimed that over a 1,000 people, including many children, were killed in the attack, with the government saying that the accusations were fabricated in order to cover up the opposition?s battle losses and undermine the work of the UN mission. "

http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-prepared-advance-901/

[Rochard]

I always trust a website that says "question more" on it.

[bronco67]

Stating something as fact in the thread title, then going on to say the Russian foreign ministry said it -- pretty much nullifies it. They're an ally of Syria and sell arms to kill civilians.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I always trust a website that says "question more" on it.

RT is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than the US and British press

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Stating something as fact in the thread title, then going on to say the Russian foreign ministry said it -- pretty much nullifies it. They're an ally of Syria and sell arms to kill civilians.

They posted the videos in the thread

[mikesinner]

I don't trust anything the Russian government says, They are scum.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I don't trust anything the Russian government says, They are scum.

On what basis?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

RT is far from perfect, but it's a lot better than the US and British press

We have freedom of the press here. I have no idea what they have in Russia.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Rochard

We have freedom of the press here. I have no idea what they have in Russia.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I don't trust anything the Russian government says, They are scum.

Yeah... Rumsfeld could be Russian

[Barry-xlovecam]

I cannot see why Assad's regime would order a chemical attack the same week the UN chemical weapons inspectors are in Syria.

I cannot see why the rebels would use poisonous gas on themselves.

I cannot see how it would be possible to stage a chemical attack false flag operation with such veracity.

The only option that makes sense is that there is a serious breakdown in the command structure of the Syrian government army -- if true that is extremely dangerous.

CNN may be asshats but RT News is a Russian government tool same as the Voice of America is a USA government tool ...

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT]I cannot see why Assad's regime would order a chemical attack the same week the UN chemical weapons inspectors are in Syria.

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I cannot see why the rebels would use poisonous gas on themselves.

It was Rebels using weapons on Civilians

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I cannot see how it would be possible to stage a chemical attack false flag operation with such veracity.

Defense contractors are pretty good at this stuff

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The only option that makes sense is that there is a serious breakdown in the command structure of the Syrian government army -- if true that is extremely dangerous.

...

^^^ I'll hold out for the 3th option

I am not buying into conspiracy theories -- the truth will come out on this one eventually (I hope )

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

^^^ I'll hold out for the 3th option

I am not buying into conspiracy theories -- the truth will come out on this one eventually (I hope )

Hopefully the UN can get in there, but it's a rebel held zone so there's no guarantee of safety

[wehateporn]

[wehateporn]

[directfiesta]

It is nothing for the " rebels " to sacrifice a few thousands civilians to get arms, no-fly zone, intelligence , etc ...

To the government, it would be the end for them ...


PS: why are western powers supporting the sunnis Al-Quaeda foreign insurgents ?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

It is nothing for the " rebels " to sacrifice a few thousands civilians to get arms, no-fly zone, intelligence , etc ...

To the government, it would be the end for them ...


PS: why are western powers supporting the sunnis Al-Quaeda foreign insurgents ?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

^^^ I'll hold out for the 3th option

The Syrian army is made up of Syrian people, even if they weren't under the command of Assad they're still not going to want to use chemical weapons of Syrian civilians. They will certainly want to attack/defend against the 'Rebels', but given that they're winning they have no need to use chemical weapons. Everyone in Syria will have heard Obama warn about a 'Chemical Weapon' "red-line" so anyone pro-Assad knows that a chemical attack will not benefit them. We have to ask who benefits? The 'Rebels' and the West are the ones who benefit when they get NATO on the scene and the eventual (desired) regime change.

[Barry-xlovecam]

I won't drink the Kool Aid. No Sale ...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

[INDENT]I cannot see why Assad's regime would order a chemical attack the same week the UN chemical weapons inspectors are in Syria.

That's a very good point really. They can't use such weapons; They know the world is watching.

[Si]

Going off on one again? Perhaps you need to look into who is turning you into a drone.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I always trust a website that says "question more" on it.

sheep question nothing.

[Si]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

sheep question nothing.

And thus you, and wehateporn are sheep.

Look into who is promoting this "conspiracy theorist" rhetoric. It will shock you.

[DTK]

Originally Posted by Rochard

We have freedom of the press here.

The times, they are a' changin'...

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

On what basis?

How about when the United States banned 18 Russians from entering our country because of human rights violations -- then Russia stops the adoptions of all children in the process of being adopted by American couples? There's that.

There's also arresting 3 women in a punk band for speaking out against Putin.

Then there's the whole gay people are illegal thing that's been going on -- and the Edward Snowden asylum thing.

and the giving of high tech arms and overall support to a government that's murdering their own citizens. I'm sure there's a ton of other shit too. Putin has been the worst thing to happen to Russia (and the world) in a long time. It would be great if a bullet could find that stupid looking melon. The world would be a better place.

They're a great bunch.

[EddyTheDog]

The biggest scandal is that conspiracy nuts like WeHatePorn are being used to cover up the real drama...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I cannot see why Assad's regime would order a chemical attack the same week the UN chemical weapons inspectors are in Syria.

I cannot see why the rebels would use poisonous gas on themselves.

I cannot see how it would be possible to stage a chemical attack false flag operation with such veracity.

The only option that makes sense is that there is a serious breakdown in the command structure of the Syrian government army -- if true that is extremely dangerous.

CNN may be asshats but RT News is a Russian government tool same as the Voice of America is a USA government tool ...

Funny thing is, I listen to Al Jazeera all day long and not once have they suggested anything besides Assad did it. They also say it was coincidental that the UN is there but the stuff dissipates enough that they could be stalled so that there was little evidence.

They also report that Russia is condemning the Syrian govt for the attack.

RT is like Fox News; extremely biased.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Then there's the whole gay people are illegal thing that's been going on

That is not even close to being true. Whose Kool-Aid are you drinking?

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by baddog

That is not even close to being true. Whose Kool-Aid are you drinking?

I love the half-assed informed ones telling me whats what. American leftists have successfully spun the actual laws regarding gays into something bizarre.

As far as I can tell, getting rid of Assad benefits US and Israel and maybe with a stretch, Turkey. Most Muslims do not have a love relationship with Turkey anyway. Way too complicated a situation to lay out on this board. No one will read it and I don't know enough about it. My bailey wick is Maghreb Al Aqsa.

Eddy, Si, please tell us who is behind the conspiracies? Let me get my heart meds not sure I can handle the shocking news. Call Harvey at TMZ tell him we got some juice on Syria for the 11pm show.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by baddog

That is not even close to being true. Whose Kool-Aid are you drinking?

This is kool-aid?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/22/op...down.html?_r=0

So then you're saying even if it's half as bad as what's been reported everywhere, it's totally fine how they're treating gay people over there? This was a major story on every news agency -- not some half baked propaganda piece.

[DTK]

Originally Posted by baddog

RT is like Fox News; extremely biased.

Fox News is extremely biased? The hell you say, man?!

Don't you know their slogan is "Fair and Balanced"? They couldn't say it if it wasn't true, could they? Wait, nevermind...

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by baddog

Funny thing is, I listen to Al Jazeera all day long and not once have they suggested anything besides Assad did it. ...
RT is like Fox News; extremely biased.

Al Jazeera has a Sunni Muslim bias -- the Assad family are Alawite (a branch of the Twelver school of Shia Islam) -- I suppose presstv.ir would be the pro-Assad mouth-piece

I don't think there is any unbiased reporting of the events in Syria -- that a is big part of the complex problem there. But I would caution to say the WW2 Allies when confronted with evidence of Hitler's concentration camps did nothing ... That did not turn out well ...

Regardless of the truth, Syria is a lose-lose proposition that will turn out ugly.

[just a punk]

[just a punk]

The only government I trust to is the US one because it's not a scum. See the picture above.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

The only government I trust to is the US one because it's not a scum. See the picture above.

The French and the British are leading the cries for intervention.

The Bush legacy again ... The Russians have their head up Assad's ass -- Syria is the last Russian military outpost they have in the Middle East. Quid pro quo ... Russia has a vested interest in the preservation of the current regime while most of NATO would prefer Assad gone at this point.

There is no objective opinion.

This is a civil war with outside intervention on all sides. Like I said, a lose-lose for all -- the worst losers are the Syrian civilians. With the addition of chemical weapons it is worse than the Lebanese ongoing civil strife ongoing for over twenty tears now.

[scottybuzz]

after watching this RT documentary about the amazing, wealthy and rich lives that the privileged North Koreans live in my trust in this Russian propaganda is limited.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tv57s_8TB-M

[femdomdestiny]

same ,well working scenario as in Bosnia, Iraq or Kosovo. Staged incidents to start war. Crazy that people are so stupid and still believe to anything said.

[femdomdestiny]

http://rt.com/news/rebel-tunnel-damascus-chemical-940/

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

after watching this RT documentary about the amazing, wealthy and rich lives that the privileged North Koreans live in my trust in this Russian propaganda is limited.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tv57s_8TB-M

These are pics from some usual Russian tourist who has been to NK:

















Full story here: http://translate.google.com/translat...st%2F172001%2F

So you decide was that RT documentary true or not

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by baddog

Funny thing is, I listen to Al Jazeera all day long and not once have they suggested anything besides Assad did it. They also say it was coincidental that the UN is there but the stuff dissipates enough that they could be stalled so that there was little evidence.

They also report that Russia is condemning the Syrian govt for the attack.

RT is like Fox News; extremely biased.

AlJazeera... aha...

[onwebcam]

Beirut, (SANA)- Chief of the International Human Rights Commission (IHRC), Muhammad Shahid Amin Khan stressed that the Syrian army doesn't use any chemical weapons in facing the terrorists, but those who exploit the mottos of democracy, freedom and human rights are the ones who use these weapons against all Syrians.

Khan told al-Mayadeen TV Channel on Friday that the Syrian government is well cooperating with the UN investigation mission on the use of chemical weapons, therefore an independent objective investigation based on clear evidence should be conducted.

He pointed out that the armed terrorist groups are using the chemical weapons against the Syrians and accuse the Syrian government, in cooperation with some media.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d1_1...cBtiq0SvYdf.99


So once again it's Obama and McCain's Al Qaeda Rebels doing it.

[deltav]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Beirut, (SANA)- Chief of the International Human Rights Commission (IHRC), Muhammad Shahid Amin Khan stressed that the Syrian army doesn't use any chemical weapons in facing the terrorists, but those who exploit the mottos of democracy, freedom and human rights are the ones who use these weapons against all Syrians.

So once again it's Obama and McCain's Al Qaeda Rebels doing it.

Dude, you are aware that the "IHRC" is a known pro-Assad organization from Pakistan that's been delivering boilerplate propaganda for the Syrian government for years?

Oh wait - you're the guy who posts articles from Iran's state-run propaganda station as gospel truth, and basically any other source that supports his worldview without checking who's actually saying it. Because you're an annoying nutjob.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by baddog

Funny thing is, I listen to Al Jazeera all day long and not once have they suggested anything besides Assad did it. They also say it was coincidental that the UN is there but the stuff dissipates enough that they could be stalled so that there was little evidence.

They also report that Russia is condemning the Syrian govt for the attack.

RT is like Fox News; extremely biased.

Let me educate you .. as you seem to be in great need :

Al Jazeera belongs in majorityto the governement of Quatar :

Al Jazeera Satellite Channel was launched on 1 November 1996 following the closure of the BBC's Arabic language television station, a joint venture with Orbit Communications Company, owned by Sa`udi King Fahd's cousin, Khalid bin Faisal Al Sa`ud. The BBC channel had closed after a year and a half when the Sa`udi government attempted to suppress a documentary on executions under sharia law.[7]

The Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa, provided a loan of QAR 500 million ($137 million) to sustain Al Jazeera through its first five years, as Hugh Miles detailed in his book Al Jazeera: The Inside Story of the Arab News Channel That Is Challenging the West. Shares were held by private investors as well as the Qatar government.

now, to further your education, here is the position of Quatat ( Sunnis ) in regards to Syria ( Shiites ):

DUBAI | Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:43am EDT

(Reuters) - Qatar's new emir will keep helping Syrian rebels until President Bashar al-Assad's rule ends, Syria's opposition envoy to Doha said on Wednesday, seeking to dampen speculation the rich Gulf state had scaled back its role in supporting the revolt.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96N0OZ20130724

Now, Baddog, do I need to connect the dots for you or you have a few braincells lefts to maybe do it on your own?

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by deltav

Dude, you are aware that the "IHRC" is a known pro-Assad organization from Pakistan that's been delivering boilerplate propaganda for the Syrian government for years?

Oh wait - you're the guy who posts articles from Iran's state-run propaganda station as gospel truth, and basically any other source that supports his worldview without checking who's actually saying it. Because you're an annoying nutjob.

I'm aware that Obama and McCains Al Qaeda rebels have already been caught once using chemical weapons and blaming on the other side and would put money on this being the same.