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08-15-2014, 10:14 AM | #1 |
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Combating Piracy in your Members Area
There is a thief uploading my updates to tube sites within a couple hours of them going live.
Does anyone have some tips or solutions to combating this kind of theft in your members area? My updates instantly lose value, and I lose money, when they are uploaded WITHIN HOURS to a tube and file locker site. Any tips and advice are appreciated |
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Well for start check do you have any hacked accounts,it is often how such users dont even buy membership,they just hack someone else account or even find security hole in your system.
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08-15-2014, 10:28 AM | #3 |
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What Klen said. If you don?t have member management software, consider getting it. It will make looking at member?s activities easier. Without member management software you?ll need to look at server logs.
If you allow members to pick their own username and password you should know that hundreds of them have already been hacked. Pirates just brute forces with those known usernames and passwords until they find one that works. Then they rip your site and post it all over the web. |
08-15-2014, 10:33 AM | #4 |
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I do let members choose their own user/pass, maybe I should change that. I just felt them choosing their own login credentials makes the site more user friendly. |
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08-15-2014, 10:42 AM | #6 |
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It does and it?s not that bad of a thing. Just be aware that a lot of usernames and passwords are shared and are already known. Some members will use the same username and password all across the web. Pirates usually protect these usernames and password and will not share them so 1 or 2 IPs may not trigger your management software. You may have to check manually.
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Any other tips or advice? |
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08-15-2014, 11:25 AM | #9 |
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Considering the average net user recycles usernames and passwords on multiple sites any leaked database becomes a username and password list.
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08-15-2014, 11:39 AM | #10 |
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One word, steganography.
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08-15-2014, 11:51 AM | #11 |
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even considered it's a regular member, a tube owner or a someone linked to tube owners, getting the freshest content for a funny amount of money? getting tens of thousands bookmarks a month for 30 bucks?
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08-15-2014, 12:03 PM | #12 |
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Ha! Gotcha, and thanks for that ;) Potentially a LOT of work.
So we have this ^ and weeding out by IP by combing through logs, in addition to member management software & possibly not letting users choose their own login credentials. I know there has to be more yeah? Proactive: Member management software Users don't choose logins credentials and AdultKing's mention Reactive: Comb through logs |
08-15-2014, 12:19 PM | #13 |
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Here's a real time example:
Just got a subscription notice from CCBill with a username I randomly remember being blocked a lot previously. I instantly manually block the name and check his signup info. User is from China, signed up using a US IP. His previous subscriptions are from all different IP's from other countries, not China. As I'm looking up his history in CCBill I notice ProxyPass blocking lots of Chinese & Canadian IP's trying to login. As I type this now I've got 3 new block notices. |
08-15-2014, 12:20 PM | #14 |
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I also use ProxyPass for my sites. But let me just say this:
You cannot 100% avoid piracy because a legit paying Member may be the culprit. Someone who works for a tube maybe? Do you fingerprint your vids? Easier to track. Do you insert each members IP into the video halfway through? LOL This may work for streaming....but really, if it's a paying Member there's no way to totally stop it. I hope I am wrong! LOL Good luck man, that sucks.
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I'd like to insert their username into the video. Do you know of a solution that does this? I've looked high and low and cannot find a thing that will get their username on the fly and insert into the video. This would be a big help to my business if it's affordable. |
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08-15-2014, 01:21 PM | #16 |
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Another possibility to bare in mind is password trading amongst seemilngly good members. It's not uncommon for a member who has joined your site many times and appears good on paper, to actually trade passwords with others in order to get access to more member areas of their interest.
We catch quite a few each month doing this and they always have a good number of various website passwords that they want to trade for others. One client had a member who had been joining many of their programs different websites since 2006 and there he was, trading his passwords throughout that whole time for others that he wanted. You only need one of those guys to trade with the wrong person.
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I completely understand paying members doing a little password trading with paying members of other sites. If one of them did trade with the wrong guy that's doing all this damage then it really kinda sucks because I'm putting a lot of time and effort into getting rid of the bad guy, time I'd usually be using focusing on content, site improvements, etc. |
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08-15-2014, 02:29 PM | #19 |
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I didn't know about that site thanks for the heads up.
My sites are listed there. From the top rated logins I checked, none are valid. I also checked out their chrome & firefox extension. Pretty messed up that the extension has access to the users web & browsing data, which I would assume could include login info as you type. just fueling the flame wow. Thanks again I appreciate it |
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I was also thinking of going through the members IP's and checking if they belong to a VPN service. Do you think that would be useful? I'm going to add it to the list for now. So far - Proactive: Member management software Users don't choose logins credentials and AdultKing's mention Country blocking software Reactive: Comb through logs for user accesses using multiple IP's Check if user's IP is from VPN service I know there's more, anymore suggestions? . |
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Also get ccbill or whatever billing processor you use to rebuild your password file. Sometimes, a cancellation doesn't actually delete the user/pass from the file. We've come across a number of situations where the password is old, no ones paying for it but it still gives member area access and people are using it.
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08-15-2014, 07:59 PM | #27 |
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Copy Control has already developed some prototype software that will imprint onto images (we haven't tackled video yet but the concept is the same) but it's got a simple API and will run anywhere you can run PHP & ImageMagick and allows unique invisible watermarking of up to 28 characters of text.
It survives cropping, resizing, reformatting image type and other changes of up to 60% of the image. One of the things I hope that Adult IP will take up is providing such tools at low cost to it's members, which will also help with combatting piracy as we'll know exactly who's responsible. |
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Grab a zip file (or any archive file) of images, mark them with the data you supply via command line or function call, re-archive them and let them download. Providing you already supply a direct download link to the zip file then it's invisible to the user. On the other side of the equation our crawlers have the built in capacity to detect those image files and then flag if they are found on the sites we crawl. Then our back end system can catalog them into infringements if they are found on one of the target sites in our database. I suspended development of it while we worked on other things, but it's a proof of concept, it works well from our testing and is just the kind of tool that we should be providing to members of Adult IP when it's ready for release. |
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You can also (with a bit of programming) stamp the video file properties with unique member ids so if the pirate is able to decrypt the video file url and upload to torrents, you can trace back to the member. Of course, a very very clever thief will easily bypass all this shit |
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Blocking countries like Russia, China and India (along with many eastern european countries) can help. Do some research on where the majority of your Members come from. Lots of people use proxy servers and VPNs so as not to be seen viewing porn. Family, job or religious reasons maybe. Finally, if you don't already, employ Remove Your Content and have those guys monitor your stuff. Each month they will take down literally thousands of links for you. PS: Old-school tip. Watermark your vids on the lower-left corner instead of lower-right corner. This is for Members Area vids only. This way, the pirated stuff will be easier to spot plus some tubes do not allow such watermarks (they all want it on the lower-right corner) so they would inadvertantly help. Plus makes it easier for companies like RYC to spot stolen stuff. PLUS it helps with branding since lower-left corner is unusual so more memorable.
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