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Struggle4Bucks · 12-01-2013, 05:41 AM

Since when is this:

Your account has been terminated for violating our Terms of Service.
It has been reviewed by our Risk Management Department and your account is considered to be fraudulent.
Therefore and according to our Terms of Service your payments will be withheld.

a FUCKING explanation???

Closing an account without proper explanation sounds pretty fraudulent to me.

SilentKnight · 12-01-2013, 07:56 AM

If OP's version of the story is honest and accurate - this is not good for AWE.

Lichen · 12-01-2013, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyuLion

Cliff notes?

Cheaters never win.

spiederman · 12-01-2013, 09:45 AM

so not only are they now screwing over their models lately, but also their affiliates...big fucking EL OH EL

JesseQuinn · 12-01-2013, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Since when is this:

Your account has been terminated for violating our Terms of Service.
It has been reviewed by our Risk Management Department and your account is considered to be fraudulent.
Therefore and according to our Terms of Service your payments will be withheld.

a FUCKING explanation???

Closing an account without proper explanation sounds pretty fraudulent to me.

^^^^this

I don't understand why a sponsor wouldn't inform the affiliate as to what specific practice allegedly violated the ToS. I can understand a sponsor not wanting to reveal how they discovered a violation (why make it easier for scammers to cover their tracks in the future), but if the affiliate was violating the ToS the company wouldn't be revealing any sensitive info by simply naming the specific violation. If the affiliate was scamming he would already have that information.

It seems wrong to me that a company could close an account and withold funds without even giving a concrete reason as to why. If the OP is being truthful, he's being accused of something that he can't defend because he doesn't know what he's accused of doing.

Tjeezers · 12-01-2013, 10:59 AM

"Dear Affiliate,

As a result of this you will receive an additional $5.798.

Thank you for your understanding. If there is anything that we can do for you please let us know."

This showed me that I AM a respected webmaster

--------------------------

AWE is not showing anyone anything that comes close to any sort of qualification or gratification. If it was only possible to buy for 5 Bucks some sort of AWE guarantee you`ll never get Ducked in the @s$ . I bet every webmaster would buy one.

AdultKing · 12-01-2013, 11:04 AM

AWE support piracy, so do you expect them to play fair with you ?

Many big piracy sites like Planet Suzy have their AWE banners and popups intact.

Promote something more reputable. Just because AWE are big doesn't mean that they're reliable or honest.

adultmobile · 12-01-2013, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

I don't understand why a sponsor wouldn't inform the affiliate as to what specific practice allegedly violated the ToS.

I don't know details of this specific case and din't read thread details, but,

I am the guy who write these "you do fraud, you not paid" emails for my program, and I can tell that if you don't write why it is considered fraud, even when it is actually a fraud (and the affiliate knows it)... most will simply reaply threating to write bad review in forums, and some will write actually (more likely in russian or black hat forums, than in GFY, but here too). So I find it especially silly not to write some cause or details, to at least have a base over which the affiliate could reply you rather than go start boicott campaigns on internet.
I am talking of actual fraud affiliates, who know they breach your TOS: they want you to tell how you caught them. Perhaps, so next time they will do better cheating and not be caught. In fact, at times here in GFY I told some of the fraud methods, and a cam site owner wrote me private email, suggesting not to help fraudsters with information how we catch fake signups and such, or they may evolve into less detectable frauds.
So one reason for a program not to give details, it could be to safeguard their way to catch the fraud, and not to teach fraudster how he is being caught - still this is the details, and a program could still give a minimal detail enough for fraudster to get the message that his trick is identified, but, not exactly how.

Of course I am not considering the option that a program is not honest and will want to save money by avoid paying affiliates who deserve it - mine post only states that (wheter it was a real breach or not, and the program is honest or not) it is silly not to specify what term was in breach, either real or an excuse. As generic "you made but, I will not even tell you what" messages, simply will cause anger.

TheMoneyMan · 12-01-2013, 11:39 AM

Maybe you should work with a more reliable network

**hint hint**

mamaliga · 12-01-2013, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

AWE support piracy, so do you expect them to play fair with you ?

Many big piracy sites like Planet Suzy have their AWE banners and popups intact.

Promote something more reputable. Just because AWE are big doesn't mean that they're reliable or honest.

All sponsors support piracy when they receive sales from such traffic.

ravo · 12-01-2013, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mamaliga

All sponsors support piracy when they receive sales from such traffic.

Not true. Check your facts....

adultmobile · 12-01-2013, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

AWE support piracy, so do you expect them to play fair with you ?

Pirate sites would remove AWE adverts if AWE did not paid. If you see AWE in sites it means that was paid. Anyway - most of the bigger sites AWWE ads and popunders it is direct prepaid deals, media buy of ad spots, not really affiliate material.

money biz · 12-01-2013, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradBreakfast

They did the same thing to me:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=998027

... that thing about how people that get bad service tell at least 20 people? It's true.

My advice, sign up for Chaturbate Whitelabels, I'm making more money there then I ever did with AWE and it will surpass even VideoSecrets, which is a good company I just don't think they've kept their whitelabel templates up... my money with Chaturbate is has been snowballing. Sign up under my affiliate link please.

I wouldnt make a whitelabel because you don't even have to conferm email. When customer sees chaturbate all over a girls profile, hears them talking about it ect they going to go signup to chaturbate and you loose money.

cr_damian · 12-02-2013, 01:27 AM

any updates? i promote awe currently, but this thread (and other linked one, and the few others I've now found after searching for them..) makes me uneasy about them.

RandazzoXXX · 12-02-2013, 01:42 AM

AWE are shady. I used to use them a long time ago on pre-paid deals. That's the ONLY way you should use them. If you sign with them as an affiliate then expect to get ripped off.

eroticfem · 12-02-2013, 03:04 AM

I had a few chargeback from another program and i was informed via email, they never closed my account. I have been promoting Awe in past with whitelabels etc, now i have not used their banners in over a year. A few weeks a go i got an email where they asked "where are you" LOL... I am here and no i am not going to add banners from your program on my sites..

adultmobile · 12-02-2013, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroticfem

i have not used their banners in over a year. A few weeks a go i got an email where they asked "where are you"

This is cute anyway.

spiederman · 12-03-2013, 12:54 PM

free bump for drama

joco77 · 12-03-2013, 03:02 PM

Almost 4 days passed since I posted this, but AWE did not bother to reply. I did not even get a fucking answer to my email when I sent them the link to this post. Lesson learned?
Indeed.

adultmobile · 12-03-2013, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiederman

free bump for drama

Axeman · 12-03-2013, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joco77

Almost 4 days passed since I posted this, but AWE did not bother to reply. I did not even get a fucking answer to my email when I sent them the link to this post. Lesson learned?
Indeed.

I doubt you will. Best you can probably do, is follow through on your threat to sue, and see where that leads you.

JFK · 12-03-2013, 07:12 PM

hope this gets resolved

nexcom28 · 12-04-2013, 02:19 PM

I just don't get why AWE treat their affiliates with such disrespect.
A lot of affiliate programs bend over backwards to help you out. iFriends, Webcams.com, Pussyca$h, their affiliate managers work their asses off to help you make more money.

But not AWE, oh no, they would rather ignore you and hope you go away or threaten to ban you if you do something they don't like.

For a program that pays so well, it stinks.

bluebook18 · 12-04-2013, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joco77

Almost 4 days passed since I posted this, but AWE did not bother to reply. I did not even get a fucking answer to my email when I sent them the link to this post. Lesson learned?
Indeed.

they don't care, just pull your links

VinceRuth · 12-04-2013, 03:21 PM

You respect all terms of the AWE ?Are you very sure ?

Cyber Fucker · 12-04-2013, 03:25 PM

Well, this one is one of most shady ones ever, I remember times back in the second half of 2000s I sent them some nice chunk of good traffic, don't remember exactly how much (because I have not logged in to my account for years) but 7k-10k uniques for sure and I have never made a broken penny with it from that point I would never promote it again.

pornguy · 12-04-2013, 03:46 PM

Sorry to say this but anyone who works in Fraud will tell you that you NEVER EVER tell the webmaster how you caught them.

Never.

If you do, you are helping them improve their game.

I am not saying the OP did something wrong and I have seen a LOT of accounts get canned because the program did not understand how the person was getting the sales/traffic and or ratios they were getting.

And for who ever said that no one gets 1/100 or under? Sadly to say I know people that average 1/12 or just above.

Depends on what you do and how you do it.

TheMaster · 12-04-2013, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

And for who ever said that no one gets 1/100 or under? Sadly to say I know people that average 1/12 or just above.

just wanted to comment on the irony here:
many sponsors will still claim they're doing these numbers when they try to get you as an affiliate, but when someone achieves this, they don't trust it

TheStout · 12-04-2013, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

Sorry to say this but anyone who works in Fraud will tell you that you NEVER EVER tell the webmaster how you caught them.

Never.

If you do, you are helping them improve their game.

This

adultGeek · 12-05-2013, 12:51 AM

I hope you will get paid. Best of luck.

cr_damian · 12-06-2013, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

Sorry to say this but anyone who works in Fraud will tell you that you NEVER EVER tell the webmaster how you caught them.

Never.

If you do, you are helping them improve their game.

I agree, telling them how you caught them is a bad idea. However so is not saying what rules did they brake and ignoring a public post in my opinion.
I don't come here much, but these are exactly the kind of threads I check gfy for. There's lot to be learned about a sponsor from seeing how they treat other affiliates.

Ben - AWEmpire · 12-06-2013, 10:56 AM

Hi there,

Since this is confidential, business related information excuse us but we will not share it on a public forum. We contacted the Webmaster in a private message.

Best regards

spiederman · 12-06-2013, 12:04 PM

Funny though, when he tried to get info himself he found himself talking to a wall

kristin · 12-06-2013, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cr_damian

I agree, telling them how you caught them is a bad idea. However so is not saying what rules did they brake and ignoring a public post in my opinion.
I don't come here much, but these are exactly the kind of threads I check gfy for. There's lot to be learned about a sponsor from seeing how they treat other affiliates.

You can tell a cheater from a real WM because on fraud accounts we don't tell the webmaster, we just shut down their account. If it's a true webmaster they hit you up. 99.9% of the time, we don't get hit up and know it's fraud. Last year, it was getting bad that the frauders were hitting us up asking why their account was shut down. Rather ballsy. Many times, we get notification from the processor, so they have already shut down their account on that end and won't allow joins to process. The processors don't give a lot of info as to why they think their account is fraud. Once you ask the frauder how the joins were generated so we can explain it to the processors, they go away.

So, it's a balancing act ...

Lichen · 12-06-2013, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben - AWEmpire

Hi there,

Since this is confidential, business related information excuse us but we will not share it on a public forum. We contacted the Webmaster in a private message.

Best regards

So is he a scammer?

whOaKemosabe · 12-06-2013, 01:13 PM

good luck getting paid

adultmobile · 12-06-2013, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin

You can tell a cheater from a real WM because on fraud accounts we don't tell the webmaster, we just shut down their account. If it's a true webmaster they hit you up. 99.9% of the time, we don't get hit up and know it's fraud. Last year, it was getting bad that the frauders were hitting us up asking why their account was shut down. Rather ballsy.

Really, in my experience 50% of more of fraudster webmasters will hit you up to ask more info and play like they're innocent.
When new affiliate gets signups, the fraud dept checks it, then write an email to new affiliates with strange performance, just to ask more info. I just wrote to one who is doing a $80 pps signup every 8 hits, which could be real since sent very few hits from a cam site review site.
However when the fraud was super obvious, in the past I was simply shutting down "he will figure we busted him", but then 70% of frausters hit up. Then, is easier to write an email at every shut down, even when it is a super sure fraud.
Further, if if you only write "your signups is fraud/you made it yourself, pls stop and go doing this elsewhere", then most of them will reply, saying is not fraud, and I have no proof. Some threat that will write bad reviews in forums, of couse if forum is blackhat, that's not an issue, but GFY it would

So the standard email I send, always include some minimal info, for example: "all the signups you made come from proxy/vpn, example. xxx.xxx.xxx - please read instructions page, we do not allow signups mostly from proxy/vpn. Please send no more, we can't work with you, sorry".
Such a letter does NOT implies he signed up himself or this is a fraud (he can not take offense, can him?), and does not tell all the info (http referers, ratio etc.), still we give the guy one excuse why he breach the tos and we can't work with him.

On a side note, some carders are especially funny. More than one, proposed me: "we can cooperate, I submit there cards and we share 50/50". Obviously some of those carders does not know how merchant account and chargeback works. And some are persistent - another indonesian one who was returning many times (despite I wrote him many times to stop, and he could see I closed his accounts every time anyway), finally bored me enough, so I checked what passwords he used to create accounts, and used them to enter his own emails and messengers. There his stolen credit cards provider was online, and I sent him to hell in indonesian language. He no more returned.

Never understimate the fraudsters.

adultmobile · 12-06-2013, 05:18 PM

Update: some fraudsters do not read email often. I emailed one right before my previous post here. Now I go check again, he continue doing carding signups, did not read mail or check stats page yet. Ok, busy doing fake accounts, switching proxies, I can understand didn't check mail often.
So I redirected his proxy IP's to the FBI cybercrime home page. Had to ban the IP's anyway, best is to redirect to a scary page, so no doubt this is not accidental.

Something only the legitimate webmasters do, is "forgetting" to setup pay mode or ask for it, up to $1000+ amount or 1 year+ wait time. I often go to email them asking if they want the money, even check whois of their site to find other emails or contact means.
The fraudsters always hurry to be paid instead - some even contact beforehand asking payment methods (with fake skype id's, always USA flag/nation set) in order to be ready for quickest payment after signups.

This fraud check part of the job it is a little boring, if you ask me, wheter or not these anonymous trolls do drama in forums. Replying to hateful support request of camgirl in menstrual period days it is preferable, at least you know who they are and do not hide.

InfoGuy · 12-08-2013, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile

I checked what passwords he used to create accounts, and used them to enter his own emails and messengers.

Unauthorized access to computer networks is considered hacking and may be illegal depending on where you live.

Jonny69 · 12-17-2013, 05:44 AM

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19911949#post19911949 another AWEMPIRE successful story.

adultmobile · 12-17-2013, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Unauthorized access to computer networks is considered hacking and may be illegal depending on where you live.

Will be interesting a carder using proxies will sue the site he carded for entering his fake email, anyway you have a point.

sciweb · 12-20-2013, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by money biz

I wouldnt make a whitelabel because you don't even have to conferm email. When customer sees chaturbate all over a girls profile, hears them talking about it ect they going to go signup to chaturbate and you loose money.

I dont understand your logic here. Wouldn't that then apply to every type of affiliate content of banners for instance? They all have the sites they are promoting all over them. Youre saying it wouldnt work when its being done with other types of content? I would assume its just the way you market the material. If you place a banner ad for chaturbate or your whitelabel site mixed with say.... Interracial DP's, then yeah... you will get no conversions. Im kind of new but this is just an assumption of mine I could be wrong.

Why dont you just throw up a website, do some illegal shit with content to hide names of other providers, and then complain like this guy who left out the details of what he did. If there is atleast some people getting paid properly from a network, then Im sure the affiliate is the one doing grimey shit. Then again, i have not made nor lost 6k so I dont know...

Stephen · 12-21-2013, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMaster

many sponsors will still claim they're doing these numbers when they try to get you as an affiliate, but when someone achieves this, they don't trust it

This should be the standard copy-n-paste reply to many such threads...

xpimp · 01-01-2014, 08:05 AM

gosh, so many horror stories, you don't know who to believe anymore these days

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12-01-2013, 05:41 AM	#51
Struggle4Bucks Sieg Hi! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: Lissabon Posts: 3,613	Since when is this: Your account has been terminated for violating our Terms of Service. It has been reviewed by our Risk Management Department and your account is considered to be fraudulent. Therefore and according to our Terms of Service your payments will be withheld. a FUCKING explanation??? Closing an account without proper explanation sounds pretty fraudulent to me. __________________ Half troll half amazing!

12-01-2013, 09:45 AM	#54
spiederman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,216	so not only are they now screwing over their models lately, but also their affiliates...big fucking EL OH EL __________________ xcams-partners: up to €200 PPS\|crakrevenue: Promote MyFreecams @ crakrevenue\|Plugrush: Buy and sell your traffic icq# 610-522-509 <---- dont add me for crap i DON'T ask for isliveHD\| Latex tube\|Androidcams\|ipadcams

12-02-2013, 03:04 AM	#66
eroticfem Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 362	I had a few chargeback from another program and i was informed via email, they never closed my account. I have been promoting Awe in past with whitelabels etc, now i have not used their banners in over a year. A few weeks a go i got an email where they asked "where are you" LOL... I am here and no i am not going to add banners from your program on my sites.. __________________

12-03-2013, 12:54 PM	#68
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12-01-2013, 07:56 AM	#52
SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	If OP's version of the story is honest and accurate - this is not good for AWE.

12-01-2013, 10:59 AM	#56
Tjeezers Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP4L - NL/RO Posts: 16,536	"Dear Affiliate, As a result of this you will receive an additional $5.798. Thank you for your understanding. If there is anything that we can do for you please let us know." This showed me that I AM a respected webmaster -------------------------- AWE is not showing anyone anything that comes close to any sort of qualification or gratification. If it was only possible to buy for 5 Bucks some sort of AWE guarantee you`ll never get Ducked in the @s$ . I bet every webmaster would buy one.

12-01-2013, 11:04 AM	#57
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	AWE support piracy, so do you expect them to play fair with you ? Many big piracy sites like Planet Suzy have their AWE banners and popups intact. Promote something more reputable. Just because AWE are big doesn't mean that they're reliable or honest.

12-01-2013, 11:39 AM	#59
TheMoneyMan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 345	Maybe you should work with a more reliable network hint hint

12-02-2013, 01:27 AM	#64
cr_damian Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 5	any updates? i promote awe currently, but this thread (and other linked one, and the few others I've now found after searching for them..) makes me uneasy about them.

12-02-2013, 01:42 AM	#65
RandazzoXXX Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 141	AWE are shady. I used to use them a long time ago on pre-paid deals. That's the ONLY way you should use them. If you sign with them as an affiliate then expect to get ripped off.

12-03-2013, 03:02 PM	#69
joco77 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4	Almost 4 days passed since I posted this, but AWE did not bother to reply. I did not even get a fucking answer to my email when I sent them the link to this post. Lesson learned? Indeed.

12-03-2013, 07:12 PM	#72
JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,382	hope this gets resolved __________________ FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

12-04-2013, 02:19 PM	#73
nexcom28 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,716	I just don't get why AWE treat their affiliates with such disrespect. A lot of affiliate programs bend over backwards to help you out. iFriends, Webcams.com, Pussyca$h, their affiliate managers work their asses off to help you make more money. But not AWE, oh no, they would rather ignore you and hope you go away or threaten to ban you if you do something they don't like. For a program that pays so well, it stinks.

12-04-2013, 03:21 PM	#75
VinceRuth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 789	You respect all terms of the AWE ?Are you very sure ?

12-04-2013, 03:25 PM	#76
Cyber Fucker Hmm Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On an endless road around the world for rock and roll. Posts: 12,642	Well, this one is one of most shady ones ever, I remember times back in the second half of 2000s I sent them some nice chunk of good traffic, don't remember exactly how much (because I have not logged in to my account for years) but 7k-10k uniques for sure and I have never made a broken penny with it from that point I would never promote it again. __________________

12-04-2013, 03:46 PM	#77
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	Sorry to say this but anyone who works in Fraud will tell you that you NEVER EVER tell the webmaster how you caught them. Never. If you do, you are helping them improve their game. I am not saying the OP did something wrong and I have seen a LOT of accounts get canned because the program did not understand how the person was getting the sales/traffic and or ratios they were getting. And for who ever said that no one gets 1/100 or under? Sadly to say I know people that average 1/12 or just above. Depends on what you do and how you do it. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

12-05-2013, 12:51 AM	#80
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12-06-2013, 10:56 AM	#82
Ben - AWEmpire Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 78	Hi there, Since this is confidential, business related information excuse us but we will not share it on a public forum. We contacted the Webmaster in a private message. Best regards __________________ Bence - A.W. Empire Affiliate Support Manager - www.awempire.com [email protected]

12-06-2013, 12:04 PM	#83
spiederman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,216	Funny though, when he tried to get info himself he found himself talking to a wall __________________ xcams-partners: up to €200 PPS\|crakrevenue: Promote MyFreecams @ crakrevenue\|Plugrush: Buy and sell your traffic icq# 610-522-509 <---- dont add me for crap i DON'T ask for isliveHD\| Latex tube\|Androidcams\|ipadcams

12-06-2013, 01:13 PM	#86
whOaKemosabe So Fucking Stoned... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,968	good luck getting paid

12-06-2013, 05:18 PM	#88
adultmobile No, I am not banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ChatGF.com Posts: 5,345	Update: some fraudsters do not read email often. I emailed one right before my previous post here. Now I go check again, he continue doing carding signups, did not read mail or check stats page yet. Ok, busy doing fake accounts, switching proxies, I can understand didn't check mail often. So I redirected his proxy IP's to the FBI cybercrime home page. Had to ban the IP's anyway, best is to redirect to a scary page, so no doubt this is not accidental. Something only the legitimate webmasters do, is "forgetting" to setup pay mode or ask for it, up to $1000+ amount or 1 year+ wait time. I often go to email them asking if they want the money, even check whois of their site to find other emails or contact means. The fraudsters always hurry to be paid instead - some even contact beforehand asking payment methods (with fake skype id's, always USA flag/nation set) in order to be ready for quickest payment after signups. This fraud check part of the job it is a little boring, if you ask me, wheter or not these anonymous trolls do drama in forums. Replying to hateful support request of camgirl in menstrual period days it is preferable, at least you know who they are and do not hide. __________________ TubeCamGirl.com

12-17-2013, 05:44 AM	#90
Jonny69 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 87	https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19911949#post19911949 another AWEMPIRE successful story. __________________ Contact:[email protected]

01-01-2014, 08:05 AM	#94
xpimp Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 823	gosh, so many horror stories, you don't know who to believe anymore these days