Juicyads and tracking conversion - GoFuckYourself.com

lancehart · 01-30-2014, 12:34 PM

So I've been using Juicyads for about 6 months now to drive traffic to a few of my porn sites. I'm certainly getting a ton of traffic, but I have not seen one conversion yet.

I'm using sliiiing to try to track what traffic converts by creating links. Sliiing reports that I've had ZERO sales from any Juicy Ad ever (out of over 55,000 tracked hits) I typically spend $200 - $500 weekly on juicy ads, and this is dispersed over cheap and expensive ones, which different graphics.

When I'm using same sliiing link tracking method, I can see that traffic is converting from other sources.

I've also been running campaigns on Juicy Ads, which have given me a ton of traffic. I'm using their tracking pixel, and have seen a ZERO sales there either. I tested this by finding my ad on a campaign, doing a test transaction, and seeing the pixel tracker work that one time, but just that one time.

So, basically, all evidence points to Juicy Ads just not making me a penny at all after spending thousands of dollars on them. This is frustrating because I really want to like Juicy Ads. I like that I can buy multiple ad spots on multiple sites fairly easily. I like the logic they use with their campaigns (better than traffic junky). For months I've been assuming that I am getting sales from them, but I'm just tracking them wrong. After a lot of testing this week, I think they really just aren't making any money.

Am I missing something? Has anyone else had experience with this?

I have to make a decision on where to spend my ad budget. I can't keep doing the same thing with these results. I've also reached out to exoclick and eros, but have not started with them yet. After reading other threads, I see plenty of discussion of exoclick vs eros vs juicy ads. I am NOT trying to start that up. I'm sure they all have their strengths and weaknesses, and it mostly a matter of the right wrench for the right nut.

I'm mostly just wondering if anyone has been using juicy ads to sell porn and can actually see proven conversion. If so, how? Through a third party tracking/affiliate thing like sliiing or NATS?

Mediamix · 01-30-2014, 12:37 PM

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EroAdvertising Paul · 01-30-2014, 12:43 PM

If you ever need any help at Ero-advertising.com, just let us know.

Markul · 01-30-2014, 12:51 PM

Spend a few K on each network to test what works, different traffic for different people. I know a lot of people that do well with PlugRush. But others works great too. Juicyads works for some things for me, but that's very targeted stuff tbh.

Mediamix · 01-30-2014, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Markul

Spend a few K on each network to test what works, different traffic for different people. I know a lot of people that do well with PlugRush. But others works great too. Juicyads works for some things for me, but that's very targeted stuff tbh.

I really like the trade thing at Plugrush.

Feng-PD · 01-30-2014, 02:29 PM

Juicyads didnt work for me either... bounce rate was huge on banner clicks....

PR_Glen · 01-30-2014, 02:38 PM

it's not juicyads fault if you can't convert. Look into your marketing.

TheSquealer · 01-30-2014, 02:50 PM

The short and correct answer to your problems lies in understanding that media buys is a science - not just something you throw money at and make money with. You'll have to read everything you can on the subject and still lose 1000's before you turn a profit.

There is no easy answer and your first big hint at the issues you face should have been apparent in the fact that no one is promoting adult sites there.

Mediamix · 01-30-2014, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The short and correct answer to your problems lies in understanding that media buys is a science - not just something you throw money at and make money with. You'll have to read everything you can on the subject and still lose 1000's before you turn a profit.

There is no easy answer and your first big hint at the issues you face should have been apparent in the fact that no one is promoting adult sites there.

True.. It takes a lot of trying, filtering and money to make it work. But when you know your niche and you know the traffic it really works.. But sending 55000 hits with NO conversion is just terrible. I don't want to say Juicy Ads is bad, because I know a lot of people work with them and they know what they are doing. Maybe the OP should have asked for help at Juicy..

Some people just throw money at their screen and expect to make a 200% profit. That's not how it works.

BareBacked · 01-30-2014, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lancehart

So I've been using Juicyads for about 6 months now to drive traffic to a few of my porn sites. I'm certainly getting a ton of traffic, but I have not seen one conversion yet.

Is it not tracking or are you getting no sales? Seems bit crazy to buy a spot for 6 months and not get one sale :-)

tigermtb · 01-30-2014, 03:19 PM

We internally monetize a lot of our traffic, so the conversions are obviously there.

It would have been nice if you had actually contacted us first before setting up a slam thread on GFY; without mentioning your account or what you were promoting. Have you spoken with your account rep? Have you contacted me?

We wouldn't be in business if our advertisers weren't making money.

There could be problems with how you setup the campaign, the pixels, etc, who knows. Our tracking pixels are actually a little bit different than other places also. There's not enough information here, and this isn't the place to discuss how to make you more money. I find it unlikely also that you wouldn't see any conversions since even the worst internal tests we do yield results.

My inbox is open - [email protected]

BareBacked · 01-30-2014, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tigermtb

We internally monetize a lot of our traffic, so the conversions are obviously there.

My inbox is open - [email protected]

LOL isnt that a conflict of interest? You can see which spots convert ;)

tigermtb · 01-30-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BareBacked

LOL isnt that a conflict of interest? You can see which spots convert ;)

It would be if we backfilled with competing/same offers as our advertisers, which we don't.
We spend thousands of dollars testing just the same as anyone else.

All websites have feedback ratings and there are additional feedback metrics coming to the public platform which will make it pretty clear to our buyers which to buy and which to avoid.

Everyone here knows we run a reputable no-shadiness network.

Mediamix · 01-30-2014, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lancehart

For months I've been assuming that I am getting sales from them, but I'm just tracking them wrong.

There is the problem. Assuming... Targetting traffic needs a lot of focus and dedication

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Originally Posted by BareBacked

LOL isnt that a conflict of interest? You can see which spots convert ;)

Bullshit.. Every ad company needs to test which traffic works the best with every niche. OP could have asked for help and Juicy Ads would have helped him.

lancehart · 01-31-2014, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tigermtb

We internally monetize a lot of our traffic, so the conversions are obviously there.

It would have been nice if you had actually contacted us first before setting up a slam thread on GFY; without mentioning your account or what you were promoting. Have you spoken with your account rep? Have you contacted me?

We wouldn't be in business if our advertisers weren't making money.

There could be problems with how you setup the campaign, the pixels, etc, who knows. Our tracking pixels are actually a little bit different than other places also. There's not enough information here, and this isn't the place to discuss how to make you more money. I find it unlikely also that you wouldn't see any conversions since even the worst internal tests we do yield results.

My inbox is open - [email protected]

I had no intention of bad talking juicy ads on this post. I thought I was clear with that. This was also not my first action. My assistant has been on IM with juicy ads support all month long trying to figure out why the tracking pixels are showing zero sales in campaigns. You're support team was clear in their answer. There has been no sales. I'm simply sharing my experience and looking for help.

It's obvious that juicy ads works great for a lot of companies. Just not mine so far. If you have a higher level support person than I was able to reach, who may have a better understanding of your tracking pixels, I'd love to talk to them.

timlover · 01-31-2014, 11:56 AM

Sounds to me like you aren't targeting your campaigns properly and which sites they appear on. You could show a hamburger ad to 55,000 vegetarians and you wouldn't sell one hamburger.

Also, think about your ads. If you are delivering that amount of clicks an no sales, maybe you should change your ad to something that isn't so general with such a high blow through CTR. A high CTR only works when the content they end up on can convert. It might sound weirrd, but try toning your ad down so that you can get a lower CTR rate but a higher conversion rate by getting real interested buyers.

lancehart · 01-31-2014, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BareBacked

Is it not tracking or are you getting no sales? Seems bit crazy to buy a spot for 6 months and not get one sale :-)

That's the crazy thing that I've been trying to wrap my head around, and why I finally just decided to ask for help here. I'm honestly hoping to read someone's response and be like, "oh shit, i'm an idiot... THAT'S WHY..."

The deal is:

I get traffic from my previews on xhamster which, I CAN track to conversion with sliiing. So I know that works

I get traffic from content I put on pornhub, xvideos, and youporn. I can also track that to the point of conversion with sliiing, so I know that works.

I used traffic junky to run a week's worth of banners on Gaytube and extremetube. I used sliiing linking codes and tracked sales from that to conversion, so I know that works (it's just too expensive to keep up all month, and doesn't return enough sales to justify yet)

I also put content on my blogs and tumblr with sliiing linking codes, and I can track them to conversion.

Now here's the crazy part: My blog is just a blog. It only gets like 40 hits a day total, and drives only about 5 hits a day to my porn sites. Even that tiny amount of traffic has gotten me more sales than the zero that I can track through juicy ads.

I am not a great graphic designer, so I may be losing some clicks do to sub-par banners and gifs. But that's not the point. I AM getting lots of clicks. While my banners might not be pretty, they clearly express what kind of content a user will find if they click on them, and how they will get it. Example: "Click here to buy and download gay foot fetish vids" [with a pic of a dude and his feet...]

What I'm trying to get at is this:

Does anyone actually have experience with running a juicy ads campaign, successfully using their tracking pixels, (or their own system like sliiing or nats or something else) and has proven success? Does anyone have experience with doing the same thing successfully with Eros Advertising or Exo Clicks?

Again, I want to like Juicy Ads. They would not stay in business if they were not awesome for some companies. Totally not trying to bad mouth them. Just trying to share honest experience and try to get some help.

ctggls · 01-31-2014, 01:40 PM

Do you think that if bought traffic from ad networks would bring high sales, the webmasters would sell it for a $4 for 1000 clicks instead of sending it to a sponsor and maybe make $50 per 1000 clicks? All these ad networks are full lousy traffic.
I've bought traffic from juicy and did not had any conversions but in comparison to exoclick or other ad networks Juicy are really good.

ShowMe69 · 01-31-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lancehart

So I've been using Juicyads for about 6 months now to drive traffic to a few of my porn sites. I'm certainly getting a ton of traffic, but I have not seen one conversion yet.

I'm using sliiiing to try to track what traffic converts by creating links. Sliiing reports that I've had ZERO sales from any Juicy Ad ever (out of over 55,000 tracked hits) I typically spend $200 - $500 weekly on juicy ads, and this is dispersed over cheap and expensive ones, which different graphics.

When I'm using same sliiing link tracking method, I can see that traffic is converting from other sources.

I've also been running campaigns on Juicy Ads, which have given me a ton of traffic. I'm using their tracking pixel, and have seen a ZERO sales there either. I tested this by finding my ad on a campaign, doing a test transaction, and seeing the pixel tracker work that one time, but just that one time.

So, basically, all evidence points to Juicy Ads just not making me a penny at all after spending thousands of dollars on them. This is frustrating because I really want to like Juicy Ads. I like that I can buy multiple ad spots on multiple sites fairly easily. I like the logic they use with their campaigns (better than traffic junky). For months I've been assuming that I am getting sales from them, but I'm just tracking them wrong. After a lot of testing this week, I think they really just aren't making any money.

Am I missing something? Has anyone else had experience with this?

I have to make a decision on where to spend my ad budget. I can't keep doing the same thing with these results. I've also reached out to exoclick and eros, but have not started with them yet. After reading other threads, I see plenty of discussion of exoclick vs eros vs juicy ads. I am NOT trying to start that up. I'm sure they all have their strengths and weaknesses, and it mostly a matter of the right wrench for the right nut.

I'm mostly just wondering if anyone has been using juicy ads to sell porn and can actually see proven conversion. If so, how? Through a third party tracking/affiliate thing like sliiing or NATS?

Lance, give me a shout, I think our traffic might be bit more targeted at what your trying to do x3upload(at)Hotmail.com

Mediamix · 01-31-2014, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ctggls

Do you think that if bought traffic from ad networks would bring high sales, the webmasters would sell it for a $4 for 1000 clicks instead of sending it to a sponsor and maybe make $50 per 1000 clicks? All these ad networks are full lousy traffic.
I've bought traffic from juicy and did not had any conversions but in comparison to exoclick or other ad networks Juicy are really good.

I do sell some traffic to ad networks and I buy traffic from ad networks. Throwing money at your screen isn't going to work indeed. But filtering that traffic and advertising on the right website(s) can bring some nice conversions.

ravo · 01-31-2014, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ctggls

All these ad networks are full lousy traffic.
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He just said that he does indeed make sales from other ad networks, so that's not the issue. Stay on topic...

ctggls · 02-01-2014, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mediamix

I do sell some traffic to ad networks and I buy traffic from ad networks. Throwing money at your screen isn't going to work indeed. But filtering that traffic and advertising on the right website(s) can bring some nice conversions.

The thing is you sell at 0.070 per good click but buy the same click for 0.201 ... and who knows how much spider/bot traffic is there and you end up paying for 50% bot traffic.

Marcus Aurelius · 02-01-2014, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lancehart

Am I missing something? Has anyone else had experience with this?

You are not missing anything. Juicyads is just another one of the shady traffic broker parasites that take shitty traffic no one wants and re-selling it to the unsuspecting webmasters.

Traffic brokers deal with the shittiest traffic available. Most of the time the traffic is fake too - bot hits and whatnot. So traffic brokers basically take shit, wrap it up in a nice looking package and try to sell off to suckers.

IDM Marketing Guy · 02-01-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tigermtb

We internally monetize a lot of our traffic, so the conversions are obviously there.

It would have been nice if you had actually contacted us first before setting up a slam thread on GFY; without mentioning your account or what you were promoting. Have you spoken with your account rep? Have you contacted me?

We wouldn't be in business if our advertisers weren't making money.

There could be problems with how you setup the campaign, the pixels, etc, who knows. Our tracking pixels are actually a little bit different than other places also. There's not enough information here, and this isn't the place to discuss how to make you more money. I find it unlikely also that you wouldn't see any conversions since even the worst internal tests we do yield results.

My inbox is open - [email protected]

Honestly I'm a little shocked with your response here. We're the customer..and in no way was my partner 'blasting' your site. We have directly contacted your organization for assistance and couldn't get a proper explanation. We've spent thousands marketing with you and not gotten 1 provable sale (that was about the only thing your support staff could verify after several hours of back and forth communication) If you're in charge, why wouldn't you directly contact us after reading this? Have a little tact and business acumen...we're obviously not in the wrong if after 55,000 clicks there's not a single conversion but it's apparent to me that your more concerned with your image rather then the actual service you provide the customer. Good day sir.

fuzebox · 02-01-2014, 10:45 AM

Successful media buying is a complex skillset. You can't just throw money at an ad network and count the hits that come in... You should be testing dozens of banners, multiple landers, and accept the fact that the average surfer may not be interested in what you're trying to sell them. Making money off advertising is about figuring out what they want to buy, not trying to sell them something you want to sell.

3om3 · 02-01-2014, 02:45 PM

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lancehart · 02-01-2014, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Successful media buying is a complex skillset. You can't just throw money at an ad network and count the hits that come in... You should be testing dozens of banners, multiple landers, and accept the fact that the average surfer may not be interested in what you're trying to sell them. Making money off advertising is about figuring out what they want to buy, not trying to sell them something you want to sell.

I'm learning that this is SO true. I wish there were a resource to help with the learning curve with this skill set. I've been on the trial and error plan for 2 years now. I'm an occasionally smart person person when it comes to learning stuff from the internet, but getting porn advertising down is proving extra tricky.

I have spreadsheets for everything and track everything I can. Being a little analytical and creative got me to the top of clip4sale pretty easy, but this is a whole new game

Part of the problem is that I book my shoots, shop for costumes, edit everything, make my graphics, trouble shoot dev stuff with my sites, direct and model in my shoots, and model for other productions. There's not a ton of time to dedicate to becoming an expert porn ad buyer...

If I were to hire someone who was a pro porn advertiser to manage this for me, what would I call that person? Do people to that for a living?

Markul · 02-01-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lancehart

I'm learning that this is SO true. I wish there were a resource to help with the learning curve with this skill set. I've been on the trial and error plan for 2 years now. I'm an occasionally smart person person when it comes to learning stuff from the internet, but getting porn advertising down is proving extra tricky.

I have spreadsheets for everything and track everything I can. Being a little analytical and creative got me to the top of clip4sale pretty easy, but this is a whole new game

Part of the problem is that I book my shoots, shop for costumes, edit everything, make my graphics, trouble shoot dev stuff with my sites, direct and model in my shoots, and model for other productions. There's not a ton of time to dedicate to becoming an expert porn ad buyer...

If I were to hire someone who was a pro porn advertiser to manage this for me, what would I call that person? Do people to that for a living?

Yes media buyers do.

adultmobile · 02-01-2014, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Markul

Yes media buyers do.

TheSquealer · 02-01-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lancehart

If I were to hire someone who was a pro porn advertiser to manage this for me, what would I call that person? Do people to that for a living?

Traffic prices are determined largely by advertiser EPC's. It is VERY unlikely that you will do well trying to buy traffic to an adult site of any form because you will not compete with EPC's from penis pills, pharma, dating, pickup stuff and so on.

Your first questions should have been "why is no one selling what I am selling on Juicy Ads". That would have been your first real clue as to what you face.

There are plenty of people who will take your money - next to none that will make you money. Why would someone focus on buying traffic for you and sharing revenue when they can make much much more by doing it for themselves?

My point is not to be negative - but to make you stop and actually think about what you are doing and the questions you are asking. I would spend more time surfing, investigating and looking at who is buying traffic and what it's going to and less time asking this online haven for broke retards for help.

Anyone that says 55k and zero sales is not realistic, has no real media buying experience. Of course it's possible. Many many many sites have pure shit for traffic. The fact that you are calling it into question is proof positive that you do not have much or any experience as well. You have a lot to learn and gty is not a great place to do that.

fuzebox · 02-01-2014, 06:42 PM

This is a very common story in adult. Small paysite owners and/or content producers want a piece of the pie they see, and either desperately offer 50% revshare on ccbill to affiliates who are used to receiving $40+ for a paysite trial, or try to compete with dating companies who are used to working with a $150+ cpa. It's not worth trying to chase that business.

You're going to have to be creative to get joins to your paysite. If you want to buy traffic from the popular sources, you have to keep in mind that everyone is pushing dating sites that convert better than you, and pay 3x your cpa.

If shooting content is your forte, I'd focus on shooting for tubes and get a steady clip upload regiment going.

tigermtb · 02-01-2014, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

You are not missing anything. Juicyads is just another one of the shady traffic broker parasites that take shitty traffic no one wants and re-selling it to the unsuspecting webmasters.

Traffic brokers deal with the shittiest traffic available. Most of the time the traffic is fake too - bot hits and whatnot. So traffic brokers basically take shit, wrap it up in a nice looking package and try to sell off to suckers.

This is probably the rudest post I've seen regarding our company.

Not only do we have our traffic audited by a 3rd party company (and avoid out thousands of bad clicks) on top of our internal screening. We weed out bad traffic every single hour, and avoid our clients from paying for it.

I'm not going to speak for the other networks (because yes, there are shadies out there and several we have found that are selling nothing but hitbot traffic) but to try and suggest there's little value at JuicyAds (or any broker) is pretty ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is, adult has changed. The internet is widely advertising driven and if someone can make $30 and do very little work or make $50 and work harder ... a lot of people are going to take the easier route. The myth that only bad traffic is sent through a network is bogus.

Is that why people in Mainstream send their traffic to Google Adsense? Because its bad traffic? No. Its because they want a simple way to make money.

Rather than try to promote 100 different programs its sooooOOOoooo much easier to place our codes on your website and sell it to our clients. We pay for it all on CPC and CPM basis.

I was an affiliate for 10+ years with freesites. I've been on both sides of the fence.

I would just love to change your mind on the topic. But, your opinion seems very entrenched. Our clients represent many leading companies in adult. If these are the "suckers" then I don't even know what to say.

tigermtb · 02-01-2014, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IDM Marketing Guy

Honestly I'm a little shocked with your response here. We're the customer..and in no way was my partner 'blasting' your site. We have directly contacted your organization for assistance and couldn't get a proper explanation. We've spent thousands marketing with you and not gotten 1 provable sale (that was about the only thing your support staff could verify after several hours of back and forth communication) If you're in charge, why wouldn't you directly contact us after reading this? Have a little tact and business acumen...we're obviously not in the wrong if after 55,000 clicks there's not a single conversion but it's apparent to me that your more concerned with your image rather then the actual service you provide the customer. Good day sir.

You're right, my reply was a little short and I may have misread the intention of the original post.

I have a wide variety of people working here and I haven't seen any of the conversations and haven't seen any of the stats related to this.

I have an email from you in my inbox and I'll be getting to that shortly. I've just been busy with other things. I'm the one who deals with all the complaints, reviews, and decision making so I'm somewhat slow at replying most days. Weekends are pretty much the only catch-up I get, when I'm already super behind after the Vegas and LA shows.

I'm more concerned with finding out why things didn't work for you, but it takes time and I'm sorry for not getting back to you sooner.

Handling via email.

Creatine · 02-01-2014, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The short and correct answer to your problems lies in understanding that media buys is a science - not just something you throw money at and make money with. You'll have to read everything you can on the subject and still lose 1000's before you turn a profit.

There is no easy answer and your first big hint at the issues you face should have been apparent in the fact that no one is promoting adult sites there.

This is so true. I read a thread earlier about a guy who said he lost conversions because he had a pink background. He changed it to white and got a ton of sign ups.

Can you believe little details like that matter?

You have to figure out the perfect ad size, perfect banner, perfect network until you get it right.

Klen · 02-02-2014, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Creatine

This is so true. I read a thread earlier about a guy who said he lost conversions because he had a pink background. He changed it to white and got a ton of sign ups.

Can you believe little details like that matter?

You have to figure out the perfect ad size, perfect banner, perfect network until you get it right.

Yep,or you could try 10 sponsors annd nothing convert,then you put eleven and suddenly sales start to pour just like that.

Mediamix · 02-02-2014, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Successful media buying is a complex skillset. You can't just throw money at an ad network and count the hits that come in... You should be testing dozens of banners, multiple landers, and accept the fact that the average surfer may not be interested in what you're trying to sell them. Making money off advertising is about figuring out what they want to buy, not trying to sell them something you want to sell.

adultmobile · 02-02-2014, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Creatine

he lost conversions because he had a pink background. He changed it to white and got a ton of sign ups.

Problem solved, thread closed.

ErectMedia · 02-02-2014, 12:50 PM

The best traffic I ever bought from a broker isn't in business anymore. With that said I've made sales with Juicy Ads among a few others and over 33% of my cam income for years has come from paid traffic. I'm probably one of the few that hasn't sold ad spots on my own sites in 10+ years, prefer to circle my own traffic through my own network instead of selling it off.

So many variables...

1)What type of traffic are you buying? You can pull sales off from skimmed/blind/popunder but actual "clicked" traffic is the best for sales, so more of a cost/results analysis to see which type works best for ya.

2)What GEO are you buying? If you or the program can't convert certain countries then no use purchasing from those countries unless your simply looking for cheap Alexa boost or traffic trading boost on free sites.

3)Have ya optimized/tweaked your sales pages?, sometimes split testing and some minor change can improve conversions drastically, reason ya see companies whose whole business model is just tweaking other sponsors pages to find out what converts best. If your using banners/thumbs good to split test those as well and find some high CTR ones to use.

4)Are you buying from run of the network or are you actually buying from individual related sites that match your niche? Sending MILF traffic to a Teen site not gonna pan out as well.

In the beginning you will definitely be throwing some money out the window as most brokers have sellers/sites that will be a better match for what you are promoting along with shitty sellers that slip through the cracks that need to be eliminated/blocked from your purchases. Key is to track every buy with tagging combined with analytics and view sales, bounce rate etc... and eliminate shit buys and increase spending to what is working. So over time you swing the fail into the win category so the money you waste is actually paying for your traffic buying education.

Throwing thousands at any broker may make them happy but will never pan out without tweaking type of traffic, geo of traffic, niche matching traffic and split testing different landers as quality traffic doesn't usually come in bulk. Quality over Quantity.

Mediamix · 02-02-2014, 02:35 PM

Case closed...

arock10 · 02-02-2014, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Successful media buying is a complex skillset. You can't just throw money at an ad network and count the hits that come in... You should be testing dozens of banners, multiple landers, and accept the fact that the average surfer may not be interested in what you're trying to sell them. Making money off advertising is about figuring out what they want to buy, not trying to sell them something you want to sell.

Excel + ????? = profit!

01-30-2014, 12:34 PM	#1
lancehart Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: tampa Posts: 26	Juicyads and tracking conversion So I've been using Juicyads for about 6 months now to drive traffic to a few of my porn sites. I'm certainly getting a ton of traffic, but I have not seen one conversion yet. I'm using sliiiing to try to track what traffic converts by creating links. Sliiing reports that I've had ZERO sales from any Juicy Ad ever (out of over 55,000 tracked hits) I typically spend $200 - $500 weekly on juicy ads, and this is dispersed over cheap and expensive ones, which different graphics. When I'm using same sliiing link tracking method, I can see that traffic is converting from other sources. I've also been running campaigns on Juicy Ads, which have given me a ton of traffic. I'm using their tracking pixel, and have seen a ZERO sales there either. I tested this by finding my ad on a campaign, doing a test transaction, and seeing the pixel tracker work that one time, but just that one time. So, basically, all evidence points to Juicy Ads just not making me a penny at all after spending thousands of dollars on them. This is frustrating because I really want to like Juicy Ads. I like that I can buy multiple ad spots on multiple sites fairly easily. I like the logic they use with their campaigns (better than traffic junky). For months I've been assuming that I am getting sales from them, but I'm just tracking them wrong. After a lot of testing this week, I think they really just aren't making any money. Am I missing something? Has anyone else had experience with this? I have to make a decision on where to spend my ad budget. I can't keep doing the same thing with these results. I've also reached out to exoclick and eros, but have not started with them yet. After reading other threads, I see plenty of discussion of exoclick vs eros vs juicy ads. I am NOT trying to start that up. I'm sure they all have their strengths and weaknesses, and it mostly a matter of the right wrench for the right nut. I'm mostly just wondering if anyone has been using juicy ads to sell porn and can actually see proven conversion. If so, how? Through a third party tracking/affiliate thing like sliiing or NATS? __________________ Porn Model since 2009, Porn Producer since 2011 www.sweetfemdom.com www.manupbitches.com www.cumonyogapants.com

01-30-2014, 12:37 PM	#2
Mediamix Dutch Webmaster! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 3,230	How is your experience with EroAdvertising? __________________ Sig too big

01-30-2014, 12:43 PM	#3
EroAdvertising Paul Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 214	If you ever need any help at Ero-advertising.com, just let us know. __________________ Mail: paul[@]ero-advertising.com Skype: eroadvertising-paul Icq: That's for old people Ero-advertising.com

01-30-2014, 12:51 PM	#4
Markul Likes Pie Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The land that liberated porn Posts: 12,400	Spend a few K on each network to test what works, different traffic for different people. I know a lot of people that do well with PlugRush. But others works great too. Juicyads works for some things for me, but that's very targeted stuff tbh. __________________ Get 5% for life on Model Earnings and Fan token buys with AdultNode.com - Studio Link - Creators keep 100% of your earnings

01-30-2014, 02:29 PM	#6
Feng-PD www.PornDeals.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Netherlands Posts: 3,964	Juicyads didnt work for me either... bounce rate was huge on banner clicks.... __________________ PornDeals.com - WebcamDeals.com - GayDeals.com - PornCoupons.comnew! Skype : fengwu83 Email : feng{atter}porndeals{dotter}com

01-30-2014, 02:38 PM	#7
PR_Glen Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9,058	it's not juicyads fault if you can't convert. Look into your marketing. __________________ webmaster at pimproll dot com

01-30-2014, 02:50 PM	#8
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 23,945	The short and correct answer to your problems lies in understanding that media buys is a science - not just something you throw money at and make money with. You'll have to read everything you can on the subject and still lose 1000's before you turn a profit. There is no easy answer and your first big hint at the issues you face should have been apparent in the fact that no one is promoting adult sites there. __________________ Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

01-30-2014, 03:19 PM	#11
tigermtb Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,062	We internally monetize a lot of our traffic, so the conversions are obviously there. It would have been nice if you had actually contacted us first before setting up a slam thread on GFY; without mentioning your account or what you were promoting. Have you spoken with your account rep? Have you contacted me? We wouldn't be in business if our advertisers weren't making money. There could be problems with how you setup the campaign, the pixels, etc, who knows. Our tracking pixels are actually a little bit different than other places also. There's not enough information here, and this isn't the place to discuss how to make you more money. I find it unlikely also that you wouldn't see any conversions since even the worst internal tests we do yield results. My inbox is open - [email protected] __________________ Jay \| JuicyAds Founder Businessman of the Year [YNOT Awards 2013] The most awarded adult advertising network with 25+ XBIZ, GFY, and YNOT Awards.

01-31-2014, 11:56 AM	#16
timlover Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 540	Sounds to me like you aren't targeting your campaigns properly and which sites they appear on. You could show a hamburger ad to 55,000 vegetarians and you wouldn't sell one hamburger. Also, think about your ads. If you are delivering that amount of clicks an no sales, maybe you should change your ad to something that isn't so general with such a high blow through CTR. A high CTR only works when the content they end up on can convert. It might sound weirrd, but try toning your ad down so that you can get a lower CTR rate but a higher conversion rate by getting real interested buyers. __________________

01-31-2014, 01:40 PM	#18
ctggls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 898	Do you think that if bought traffic from ad networks would bring high sales, the webmasters would sell it for a $4 for 1000 clicks instead of sending it to a sponsor and maybe make $50 per 1000 clicks? All these ad networks are full lousy traffic. I've bought traffic from juicy and did not had any conversions but in comparison to exoclick or other ad networks Juicy are really good.

02-01-2014, 10:45 AM	#25
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 21,858	Successful media buying is a complex skillset. You can't just throw money at an ad network and count the hits that come in... You should be testing dozens of banners, multiple landers, and accept the fact that the average surfer may not be interested in what you're trying to sell them. Making money off advertising is about figuring out what they want to buy, not trying to sell them something you want to sell.

02-01-2014, 02:45 PM	#26
3om3 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: egypt Posts: 636	verey good topic plz keep going

02-01-2014, 06:42 PM	#31
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 21,858	This is a very common story in adult. Small paysite owners and/or content producers want a piece of the pie they see, and either desperately offer 50% revshare on ccbill to affiliates who are used to receiving $40+ for a paysite trial, or try to compete with dating companies who are used to working with a $150+ cpa. It's not worth trying to chase that business. You're going to have to be creative to get joins to your paysite. If you want to buy traffic from the popular sources, you have to keep in mind that everyone is pushing dating sites that convert better than you, and pay 3x your cpa. If shooting content is your forte, I'd focus on shooting for tubes and get a steady clip upload regiment going. Last edited by fuzebox; 02-01-2014 at 06:43 PM..

02-02-2014, 12:50 PM	#38
ErectMedia Confirmed Chicago Pimp Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 7,100	The best traffic I ever bought from a broker isn't in business anymore. With that said I've made sales with Juicy Ads among a few others and over 33% of my cam income for years has come from paid traffic. I'm probably one of the few that hasn't sold ad spots on my own sites in 10+ years, prefer to circle my own traffic through my own network instead of selling it off. So many variables... 1)What type of traffic are you buying? You can pull sales off from skimmed/blind/popunder but actual "clicked" traffic is the best for sales, so more of a cost/results analysis to see which type works best for ya. 2)What GEO are you buying? If you or the program can't convert certain countries then no use purchasing from those countries unless your simply looking for cheap Alexa boost or traffic trading boost on free sites. 3)Have ya optimized/tweaked your sales pages?, sometimes split testing and some minor change can improve conversions drastically, reason ya see companies whose whole business model is just tweaking other sponsors pages to find out what converts best. If your using banners/thumbs good to split test those as well and find some high CTR ones to use. 4)Are you buying from run of the network or are you actually buying from individual related sites that match your niche? Sending MILF traffic to a Teen site not gonna pan out as well. In the beginning you will definitely be throwing some money out the window as most brokers have sellers/sites that will be a better match for what you are promoting along with shitty sellers that slip through the cracks that need to be eliminated/blocked from your purchases. Key is to track every buy with tagging combined with analytics and view sales, bounce rate etc... and eliminate shit buys and increase spending to what is working. So over time you swing the fail into the win category so the money you waste is actually paying for your traffic buying education. Throwing thousands at any broker may make them happy but will never pan out without tweaking type of traffic, geo of traffic, niche matching traffic and split testing different landers as quality traffic doesn't usually come in bulk. Quality over Quantity. __________________ Domain Name Registration Web3 Domains

02-02-2014, 02:35 PM	#39
Mediamix Dutch Webmaster! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 3,230	Case closed... __________________ Sig too big