Great Ellen Page Speech; Comes Out

[MediaGuy]

This makes her hotter than ever:

:D

[Scott McD]

[Gringo1]

Big Fuckin' Deal-- Sounds like another case of 'Look At Me-- I'm so Great-- Now put me in more movies'-- Who Fuckin' Cares She'll be out boning guys in a few years--

[Harmon]

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Gringo1

Big Fuckin' Deal-- Sounds like another case of 'Look At Me-- I'm so Great-- Now put me in more movies'-- Who Fuckin' Cares She'll be out boning guys in a few years--

We know who you are, Jocko.

[Gringo1]

Originally Posted by Harmon

We know who you are, Jocko.

And who's that DchBg?

[BlackCrayon]

i wouldn't mind seeing her eating some pussy...but when is the media going to stop telling us who is gay? i think people no longer care. lets just say all actors/actresses are gay and be done with it.

[dyna mo]

who is she and why should I give a shit what her, or anyone's, sexuality is?

[Scott McD]

Exactly. If i just read somewhere that she's gay, i'd have be like "oh". And that's it.

Why everyone feels the need for some huge speech to let the world know just seems odd now. People don't really care anymore...

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by Harmon

:D

[Gringo1]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Exactly. If i just read somewhere that she's gay, i'd have be like "oh". And that's it.

Why everyone feels the need for some huge speech to let the world know just seems odd now. People don't really care anymore...

Yep-- She's Just gettin' her name out there-- needs to book a film

[2MuchMark]

[MediaGuy]

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:D

[NEW XTC]

cant sit through that whole melodramatic self woshiping speach - anyone know the timer count when she actually comes out?

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by NEW XTC

cant sit through that whole melodramatic self woshiping speach - anyone know the timer count when she actually comes out?

It's a better speech than that, but yeah a little fullamelo... 5:20 is when she comes out directly.

Speech is worth watching because there's a beginning/middle/end, or at least a book-ending structure...

:D

[Marcus Aurelius]

Funny how this has been known for years. Like Jody Foster. How many times do they get to "come out"?

[MediaGuy]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

Funny how this has been known for years. Like Jody Foster. How many times do they get to "come out"?

Really? I dunno, I don't care about artists' personal lives myself. I just check out their stuff, their "output". Since I'm not LGBT myself, I may be insensitive to those people's personal issues over all, and I don't denigrate someone like Ellen Page's coming out, or the rumours John Travolta or Tom Cruise being gay, as if those things matter to me. Obviously they do, to them, but really I'm kinda cold on all that.

I'm aware of the issue of how "most people" or society feels about these things, but I think I'm either indifferent or unaware of how big a problem it is, probably because of a lack of exposure or knowledge of the personal experience of these "issues".

Makes me ask, who cares? What's the big deal? And really, apart from the "indifference" and "who fucking cares" attitude most people *should* have, I wonder if I should help more some how or give a fuck in a productive way...

:D

[SilentKnight]

And the world was waiting for the elephant in the room to be announced.





Not much.

[TidalWave]

So whats the announcement? Who cares? She's the one making it a bigger deal than it is.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by TidalWave

She's the one making it a bigger deal than it is.

And therein lies the problem. They make a big deal out their sexuality, rub it in people's faces, get boy scouts and children to feel the need to claim their sexuality and wear it on their sleeves.

The cause would be much further along if gays and lesbians actually made it less of a deal.
Yeah, I'm a lesbian/gay, no biggie. move along.

[DVTimes]

thats a shock




not

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

And therein lies the problem. They make a big deal out their sexuality, rub it in people's faces, get boy scouts and children to feel the need to claim their sexuality and wear it on their sleeves.

The cause would be much further along if gays and lesbians actually made it less of a deal.
Yeah, I'm a lesbian/gay, no biggie. move along.

In this case she was at an event put on the by the Human Rights Campaign and she was speaking to a group of counselors and people who help gay kids who are having trouble with their families/schools etc when they come out.

For them having an Oscar nominated actress who has been in some very big movies say this publicly can be a big deal. It helps show that there are a lot of gay people out there, not just the effeminate kid in gym class that everyone thinks is strange.

In a perfect world it wouldn't matter. You would be who you want to be, love who you want to love, and marry who you want to marry, but that is not the world we live in. There are many places in this country where being gay is a big deal. People are killed and assaulted just because they are gay.

To me what she did would be attention grabbing if she called a press conference and announced it or was presenting at an awards show and said it or something like that. But telling it to a group of people whose work she admires is different. I'm sure she knew it would become a big story (at least for a few days), but to me it didn't come off as being a publicity stunt.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

And therein lies the problem. They make a big deal out their sexuality, rub it in people's faces, get boy scouts and children to feel the need to claim their sexuality and wear it on their sleeves.

The cause would be much further along if gays and lesbians actually made it less of a deal.
Yeah, I'm a lesbian/gay, no biggie. move along.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

In this case she was at an event put on the by the Human Rights Campaign and she was speaking to a group of counselors and people who help gay kids who are having trouble with their families/schools etc when they come out.

For them having an Oscar nominated actress who has been in some very big movies say this publicly can be a big deal. It helps show that there are a lot of gay people out there, not just the effeminate kid in gym class that everyone thinks is strange.

In a perfect world it wouldn't matter. You would be who you want to be, love who you want to love, and marry who you want to marry, but that is not the world we live in. There are many places in this country where being gay is a big deal. People are killed and assaulted just because they are gay.

To me what she did would be attention grabbing if she called a press conference and announced it or was presenting at an awards show and said it or something like that. But telling it to a group of people whose work she admires is different. I'm sure she knew it would become a big story (at least for a few days), but to me it didn't come off as being a publicity stunt.

You really think that's OK? To encourage youngsters to come out and lead a life based on their sexuality?

That's fundamentally wrong. ANd I never said anything about attention grabbing.

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

You really think that's OK? To encourage youngsters to come out and lead a life based on their sexuality?

That's fundamentally wrong. ANd I never said anything about attention grabbing.

I think it is perfectly okay for a person to say, "I'm gay and I expect the same treatment as everyone else."

Currently that doesn't happen.

In most states it is still illegal for gay people to be married. In some countries around the world gay people are killed for being gay.

I don't condone the crazy gay pride parades. I don't think seeing a guy walking down the street doused in glitter and wear assless chaps is helping anyone. But I think demanding equal treatment is perfectly okay.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

I think it is perfectly okay for a person to say, "I'm gay and I expect the same treatment as everyone else."

Currently that doesn't happen.

In most states it is still illegal for gay people to be married. In some countries around the world gay people are killed for being gay.

I don't condone the crazy gay pride parades. I don't think seeing a guy walking down the street doused in glitter and wear assless chaps is helping anyone. But I think demanding equal treatment is perfectly okay.

YOu think it's OK for youngsters that don't even have pubic hair yet to not only make a decision about their sexuality, but to declare it and choose it to be a lifestyle?

That's wrong, man.

Moreover, It's insane that these adults who are insecure in their own sexuality feel the need to get up in front of our youth and tell them to declare their sexuality in some backwards attempt to feel better about themselves (the adults) being gay.

It's reprehensible.

[lezinterracial]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i wouldn't mind seeing her eating some pussy...but when is the media going to stop telling us who is gay? i think people no longer care. lets just say all actors/actresses are gay and be done with it.

On both counts. Scarlett Johansson and Ellen Paige hook up on an X-Men and Avengers crossover would be awesome.

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

YOu think it's OK for youngsters that don't even have pubic hair yet to not only make a decision about their sexuality, but to declare it and choose it to be a lifestyle?

That's wrong, man.

Moreover, It's insane that these adults who are insecure in their own sexuality feel the need to get up in front of our youth and tell them to declare their sexuality in some backwards attempt to feel better about themselves (the adults) being gay.

It's reprehensible.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Every gay person I have ever known said they knew from a young age that they were gay. Most of them were just scared shitless about telling anyone. Nobody is forcing anyone to declare anything or live any kind of lifestyle. What they are working for is an environment where a gay person can live openly and not have to worry about being attacked, killed, discriminated against.

These adults that you feel are using kids to make themselves feel better were once these scared and confused kids. They are simply trying to make it easier for these kids.

Should they just keep it to themselves? While everyone else dates, goes to dances, holds hands with their boyfriend/girlfriend etc should someone who is gay just keep it in the closet?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Every gay person I have ever known said they knew from a young age that they were gay. Most of them were just scared shitless about telling anyone. Nobody is forcing anyone to declare anything or live any kind of lifestyle. What they are working for is an environment where a gay person can live openly and not have to worry about being attacked, killed, discriminated against.

These adults that you feel are using kids to make themselves feel better were once these scared and confused kids. They are simply trying to make it easier for these kids.

Should they just keep it to themselves? While everyone else dates, goes to dances, holds hands with their boyfriend/girlfriend etc should someone who is gay just keep it in the closet?

you are aware I live in the world too right? You make it sound like you're the only one around gay people, you're not.

ANd there's no proof whatsoever that having kids declare their sexuality is somehow helping gays.

It makes zero sense to have youngsters feel the need to declare their sexuality at a time when they're still learning social skills. Kids get fucked with for any reason under the sun. I got fucked with because my names rhymes with a stupid word and because I was on the swim team instead of the football team.

No, no one is forcing youngsters to do it, but they are coercing them by having d-list celebrities tell them it's OK, because hey, I just did.

It's outrageous.

Be gay, be straight, there's no need to flaunt it, especially during your formative years and especially disguised as some sort of motivational bullshit speech.

As I said earlier, be yourself, don't make a big deal about it.

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you are aware I live in the world too right? You make it sound like you're the only one around gay people, you're not.

ANd there's no proof whatsoever that having kids declare their sexuality is somehow helping gays.

It makes zero sense to have youngsters feel the need to declare their sexuality at a time when they're still learning social skills. Kids get fucked with for any reason under the sun. I got fucked with because my names rhymes with a stupid word and because I was on the swim team instead of the football team.

No, no one is forcing youngsters to do it, but they are coercing them by having d-list celebrities tell them it's OK, because hey, I just did.

It's outrageous.

Be gay, be straight, there's no need to flaunt it, especially during your formative years and especially disguised as some sort of motivational bullshit speech.

As I said earlier, be yourself, don't make a big deal about it.

Who is asking anyone to flaunt anything?

Nobody is telling these kids to hold a press conference and tell the world they are gay. They are simply saying that being gay is okay.

In a perfect world a gay kid in school could be themselves and date whomever they wanted and it wouldn't be a big deal. We don't live in that world.

To me people like the HRC are simply telling people it is fine to be gay and they provide help to those who need it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

Who is asking anyone to flaunt anything?

Nobody is telling these kids to hold a press conference and tell the world they are gay. They are simply saying that being gay is okay.

In a perfect world a gay kid in school could be themselves and date whomever they wanted and it wouldn't be a big deal. We don't live in that world.

To me people like the HRC are simply telling people it is fine to be gay and they provide help to those who need it.

It's completely misguided and self-serving. There's no proof whatsover that what these adults are doing is a good thing for youngsters.

[dyna mo]

flaunt verb \ˈflȯnt, ˈflänt\
: to show (something) in a very open way so that other people will notice

[kane]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

It's completely misguided and self-serving. There's no proof whatsover that what these adults are doing is a good thing for youngsters.

Like I said above. We will have to agree to disagree on this.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by kane

Like I said above. We will have to agree to disagree on this.

That's fine. I don't debate here to get people to agree with me. I do it to keep my views grounded in reality.

[OneHungLo]

[cykoe6]

I don't really give a shit if the dumb bitch is a dyke..... but it does make her seem a little hotter now.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

It's completely misguided and self-serving. There's no proof whatsover that what these adults are doing is a good thing for youngsters.

Where is anyone suggesting there is proof of that?

I think you'd love it in Russia mate, it's illegal for kids to receive any education about homosexuality there, sounds right up your street.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

YOu think it's OK for youngsters that don't even have pubic hair yet to not only make a decision about their sexuality, but to declare it and choose it to be a lifestyle?

That's wrong, man.

Moreover, It's insane that these adults who are insecure in their own sexuality feel the need to get up in front of our youth and tell them to declare their sexuality in some backwards attempt to feel better about themselves (the adults) being gay.

It's reprehensible.

Putin is that you???

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Where is anyone suggesting there is proof of that?

I think you'd love it in Russia mate, it's illegal for kids to receive any education about homosexuality there, sounds right up your street.

You've completely distorted my view. I never said anything about sex education.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by arock10

Putin is that you???

zoolander, is that you?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

You've completely distorted my view. I never said anything about sex education.

Well you're so busy arguing against things no one said it's hard to see what point you are making?

You think it is bad for kids to get encouragement to be brave about their sexuality?

You think sexuality is something that shouldn't be discussed at school?

You hate faggots?

I'm unclear cos of all these straw men you keep putting up.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Well you're so busy arguing against things no one said it's hard to see what point you are making?

You think it is bad for kids to get encouragement to be brave about their sexuality?

You think sexuality is something that shouldn't be discussed at school?

You hate faggots?

I'm unclear cos of all these straw men you keep putting up.

I didn't start the argument. I posted my view that I disagree with our youth being prompted by celebrities to lead sexuality based lifestyles as youth- regardless of their sexuality and kane took issue with that. If charlie sheen was going around giving speeches to kids telling them that if they think they like banging porn chicks they should go around and make sure everyon knows they like to bang porn chicks, I'd disagree with that also.

Again, the speech wasn't given at school, I never said sexuality shouldn't be discussed at school, I'm OTR in my very first post here stating who gives a shit about someone's sexuality and that someone's sexuality should be considered no big deal.

decent attempt to troll, btw. Instead of trying to understand my view based on all of my posts, you pick and choose the ones you can use to make pointed accusations like "do I hate faggots?".

go fuck yourself.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I didn't start the argument.

Didn't suggest you did. Do you have shares in a straw man factory? You seem to fucking love them.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I posted my view that I disagree with our youth being prompted by celebrities to lead sexuality based lifestyles as youth

No idea what a 'sexuality based lifestyle' is? Please explain.

What age do you think they should be encouraged to be proud of their sexuality?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

If charlie sheen was going around giving speeches to kids telling them that if they think they like banging porn chicks they should go around and make sure everyon knows they like to bang porn chicks, I'd disagree with that also.

He isn't. Straw in the morning, straw in the evening, straaaaw, all day long.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Again, the speech wasn't given at school

No one said it was. Why do you keep doing this?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

someone's sexuality should be considered no big deal.

Sadly, it is. Kids are teased mercilessly about it, people lose their jobs over it, people lie to get in the army, etc do you not think that is a problem?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

go fuck yourself.

Erudite as ever.

[dyna mo]

for the gfyers that can't read good:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

why should I give a shit what her, or anyone's, sexuality is?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

The cause would be much further along if gays and lesbians actually made it less of a deal.

Yeah, I'm a lesbian/gay, no biggie. move along.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Be gay, be straight, there's no need to flaunt it,

As I said earlier, be yourself, don't make a big deal about it.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by kane

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Every gay person I have ever known said they knew from a young age that they were gay. Most of them were just scared shitless about telling anyone. Nobody is forcing anyone to declare anything or live any kind of lifestyle. What they are working for is an environment where a gay person can live openly and not have to worry about being attacked, killed, discriminated against.

These adults that you feel are using kids to make themselves feel better were once these scared and confused kids. They are simply trying to make it easier for these kids.

Should they just keep it to themselves? While everyone else dates, goes to dances, holds hands with their boyfriend/girlfriend etc should someone who is gay just keep it in the closet?

so kids in 3rd grade should think...am i gay or not?

[johnnyloadproductions]

Japan it's better, if you're gay over there they just shrug as that's the way you are.
Same way I feel, though the thought of a shaft enema whether straight or gay gives me sickening shivers... even with a condom!!!

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Gringo1

Big Fuckin' Deal-- Sounds like another case of 'Look At Me-- I'm so Great-- Now put me in more movies'-- Who Fuckin' Cares She'll be out boning guys in a few years--

seriously, who gives a fuck...

[ErectMedia]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Personally I don't care if your straight, gay, etc... whatever ya makes ya happy. Problem I have is it's okay for gay rights movements to speak yet we silence the straight guy that doesn't agree with it as it may be offensive. If you want freedom of speech it has to be full circle and not only allow what ya wanna hear and silence the opposition. Simple disclaimer "The opinions of the cast are not the opinions of the producers/show" covers their ass.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by ErectMedia

Personally I don't care if your straight, gay, etc... whatever ya makes ya happy. Problem I have is it's okay for gay rights movements to speak yet we silence the straight guy that doesn't agree with it as it may be offensive. If you want freedom of speech it has to be full circle and not only allow what ya wanna hear and silence the opposition.

that's just typical liberal horse shit... freedom of speech actually means "you can say anything I agree with" to minorities and liberals.. ... and if you strongly disagree than your 'reactionary'

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

that's just typical liberal horse shit... freedom of speech actually means "you can say anything I agree with" to minorities and liberals.. ... and if you strongly disagree than your 'reactionary'

They will also distort your view and words simply so they can do this, as evidenced by this very thread.