What if Affiliates boycott sponsers who use tubes?

[SmutHammer]

Fact, Tubes kill sales, Their traffic is shit. TGP ratios and any other form of advertisements are way beyond what sponsors get from tube sites. Are there any Affiliates with enough balls to say "fuck it" I will no longer work with any company who allows their content to be used on tube sites?

Why does everyone just give up? Why not fight back in any way you can...

I know tubes have been around for a long time, But that doesn't mean things can not change.

[notinmybackyard]

You know what I don't understand?

Why the media is more than willing to report on any subject about the porn industry except when it comes to any issue regarding the large number of under age children accessing porn tube sites or how many children are uploading video of themselves.

I had a 19 year old model last month show me clips of herself on hub that she has been uploading since she was 13.

You know what you americiains should try this approach.
Contact some of those crazy militant Baptist churches in your local areas and tell them about the problem of uncontrolled tube sites. Then sit back and see what happen.

[Mutt]

What are these 'affiliates' you speak of? My memory is failing, I have a faint memory of these people called 'affiliates' but not sure who they were or what they did.

[lock]

Damn those newsgroups, Damn those TGP's, Damn those tubes, Damn those surfers are getting smarter. If sponsors drop free sites where do you think they will get their traffic from?

[the Shemp]

[PornDiscounts-V]

When I first got started in adult I tried posting pics of little April to newsgroups with my own URL on the pics. I noticed 100 or more people a day typed in my unpublished URL. So I forwarded that traffic to her site with my affiliate code. It converted at 1:20 and they instantly hit me up to see how I was sending the sign ups. Then they instantly closed my account for posting to newsgroups.

All of my content was nonnude. There were plenty of tgp's actually giving away her nice fhg content. They couldn't wrap their thick heads around the fact that newsgroups could be used to make money.

I posted here at gfy asking if any other sponsors would want to try newsgroups and several did. We made a killing.

Sponsors work with tube site owners because they bring them lots of memberships. Not to mention plenty of affiliate programs own tube sites of their own that push their all access pass as a premium option.

So yeah. Adapt or die.

[Three.Thousand]

About once a year someone in our industry comes up with this unique idea, thinking we somehow can unite.....
This is a dog eat dog industry, no one cares about you.

[Nurgle]

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand

About once a year someone in our industry comes up with this unique idea, thinking we somehow can unite.....
This is a dog eat dog industry, no one cares about you.

True story

[12clicks]

thats so cute.
after most programs decided they don't need affiliates, affiliates are going to pretend they don't need those sponsors.

[Magnetron]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Fact, Tubes kill sales, Their traffic is shit. TGP ratios and any other form of advertisements are way beyond what sponsors get from tube sites. Are there any Affiliates with enough balls to say "fuck it" I will no longer work with any company who allows their content to be used on tube sites?

Why does everyone just give up? Why not fight back in any way you can...

I know tubes have been around for a long time, But that doesn't mean things can not change.

I did for a while, but concluded that sponsors would give up on affiliates completely if they had no sales coming in from small affiliates.

But no matter how many affiliates boycott, it won't make a dent now that sponsors are dependent on those tube sales.

Especially sponsors that jumped on the tube bandwagon during the recession, believing it was the affiliate model that was faltering rather than poor sales due to the economy that eventually rebounded.

[Tdash]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

thats so cute.
after most programs decided they don't need affiliates, affiliates are going to pretend they don't need those sponsors.

Care to name a few of these programs?

[30SalesPlus]

Just about the only affiliates worth a program's time are either tubesites themselves or those buying traffic from them. If you don't want to work with tubes try Burgerking.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand

This is a dog eat dog industry, no one cares about you.

No, that's just business in general. There has never been a time where everyone wins...

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand

About once a year someone in our industry comes up with this unique idea, thinking we somehow can unite.....
This is a dog eat dog industry, no one cares about you.

Unfortunately this industry only gossips in unity. If some penis has a bad day on set, by the end of the week everyone in the industry is talking about his wood problems. The same can be said about every facet of this business. It will never unite for something that truely is important.

The problems will only go away when someone finally angers the wrong person or when someone finally listens to a whistle blower about what is truely going on.

I am content that I am old timer because I would hate to have to be trying to make a career in porn today. As brutal and savage some of us were in the 1960s and 1970s. At least we had actual stars and made good quality films for theatres. There is some great talent in this generation but it is wasted. My only advice to producers today is to find ways to get back into an actual theatre.

But other than that good luck to all of you.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Fact, Tubes kill sales, Their traffic is shit. TGP ratios and any other form of advertisements are way beyond what sponsors get from tube sites. Are there any Affiliates with enough balls to say "fuck it" I will no longer work with any company who allows their content to be used on tube sites?

Why does everyone just give up? Why not fight back in any way you can...

I know tubes have been around for a long time, But that doesn't mean things can not change.

You're somewhere between 5-8 years too late. It might have worked then but it's too late now. The good news is many affiliates have voted with their feet. If they haven't left the industry altogether then they have left some portion of it.

You'd have to pay me by the hour to get me to even consider promoting an adult paysite as an affiliate again. It's not worth it to me and I see it as a waste of time. So I've shifted my focus elsewhere.

Despite what some people say the paysite industry as a whole is hurting and it's obvious to even those outside the industry. So you might derive some revenge in a sense by seeing the people involved crash and burn over time. Look at what already happened to Manwin/Fabian/Mindgeek and it's not finished yet.

[Bryan G]

Affiliates need programs more than programs need affiliates.

[brassmonkey]

build a time machine go back to 1997

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by vvvvv

When I first got started in adult I tried posting pics of little April to newsgroups with my own URL on the pics. I noticed 100 or more people a day typed in my unpublished URL. So I forwarded that traffic to her site with my affiliate code. It converted at 1:20 and they instantly hit me up to see how I was sending the sign ups. Then they instantly closed my account for posting to newsgroups.

All of my content was nonnude. There were plenty of tgp's actually giving away her nice fhg content. They couldn't wrap their thick heads around the fact that newsgroups could be used to make money.

I posted here at gfy asking if any other sponsors would want to try newsgroups and several did. We made a killing.

Sponsors work with tube site owners because they bring them lots of memberships. Not to mention plenty of affiliate programs own tube sites of their own that push their all access pass as a premium option.

So yeah. Adapt or die.

There is a big difference between giving out some photos and giving out full scene movies though. If you fail to take into account that by giving out increasing amounts of your product you are cannibalizing potential sales then eventually you will be stuck with diminishing returns and scratching your head wondering where all the sales went. I've seen it happen here over the course of a few years. It goes something like this.

1. Sponsor is doing great. Has many affiliates.
2. Tubes rise, overall sales start dropping, affiliates leaving.
3. Sponsor starts working with tubes.
4. Sponsor starts picking up all sorts of extra sales from the tubes. Thinks "this is great!"
5. Affiliates start leaving more (the biz altogether or the sponsor)
6. Sponsor thinks "fuck those affiliates! I don't need em anyway!"
7. Sponsor shuts down affiliate program or 90% of affiliates leave (no sales anyway)
8. Sponsor ramps up content distribution on tubes
9. Sponsor revenue keeps falling as it's not sustainable, most people don't buy what is free.
10. Sponsor goes out of business (or is sold) with all 10,000 scenes on every tube known to man remaining up.
11. The reps and bros from GFY come up with an excuse for why the sponsor failed other than the tubes and piracy.
12. Add. Rinse. Repeat. Even the bros start falling and the tubes themselves as well start failing.

In summary all the industry is doing is cannibalizing potential sales. It doesn't take an MBA to see where this leads. The hope was that instead of selling porn the industry would sell mainstream goods or ads. This was the only hope since the paysites were being made worthless by all the free content

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Affiliates need programs more than programs need affiliates.

There is no law which says any affiliate must promote paysites or must only work in the adult industry. There is a huge market outside of adult.

I know of forums where if you talk about wanting to be an affiliate of an adult paysite they all laugh at you. There is a reason for that.

[SmutHammer]

Just because this is an old subject doesn't matter, the traffic is shit, I really don't care at all about tube traffic myself. And as far as affiliates needing programs, Programs who don't give their content away will convert better for affiliates..

It really is a shame to see someone post looking for full length videos and tons of sponsors are begging to have theirs used.. Don't see how they are ok with killing their own businesses. Seems they would rather have pennies today than dollars tomorrow.

I'm not innocent here, I have tried tube traffic, and it's not worth it.

[Lykos]

It will never happen.

[BareBacked]

what if artists boycotted Itunes

[Jel]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

You know what I don't understand?

Why the media is more than willing to report on any subject about the porn industry except when it comes to any issue regarding the large number of under age children accessing porn tube sites or how many children are uploading video of themselves.

I had a 19 year old model last month show me clips of herself on hub that she has been uploading since she was 13.

You know what you americiains should try this approach.
Contact some of those crazy militant Baptist churches in your local areas and tell them about the problem of uncontrolled tube sites. Then sit back and see what happen.

surprised about that fact, and that the tactic hasn't been tried too.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by BareBacked

what if artists boycotted Itunes

artists are program owners, not affiliates
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anyway, as stated already, adapt or die, as always.

[Tom_PM]

Each affiliate can do that if they choose.

[ITraffic]

there are paysite affiliates left?

[Sly]

Affiliates can bypass sponsors whenever they like. Start your own paysite and market however you wish.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

There is no law which says any affiliate must promote paysites or must only work in the adult industry. There is a huge market outside of adult.

I know of forums where if you talk about wanting to be an affiliate of an adult paysite they all laugh at you. There is a reason for that.

I am well aware of this. 98% of my business is Mainstream.

[Rochard]

I am guessing in most cases affilaites cannot "boycot" certain sponsors. It's bad enough when a sponsor closes and I need to remove all links across hundreds of blogs.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

There is no law which says any affiliate must promote paysites or must only work in the adult industry. There is a huge market outside of adult.

I know of forums where if you talk about wanting to be an affiliate of an adult paysite they all laugh at you. There is a reason for that.

probably about as funny as someone coming on to an adult webmaster board who admittedly doesn't make money from adult who gives people advice on selling adult...

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I am guessing in most cases affilaites cannot "boycot" certain sponsors. It's bad enough when a sponsor closes and I need to remove all links across hundreds of blogs.

It's like in cards. You have to be ready to walk away. It took me too long...

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

probably about as funny as someone coming on to an adult webmaster board who admittedly doesn't make money from adult who gives people advice on selling adult...

Well I don't know about that. You make some money from adult by getting paid a salary from Pimproll (or the new ventures they switched to after the paysite market crashed) so I don't think you are a total joke. You do kind of come off as an angry drunk at times though...

[SmutHammer]

I wouldn't say paysites have crashed...

I make a good living, pretty much have everything I want/need in life. But am still staying up every night to 5 am getting content ready for launching new sites. If there was no money left, No way I would be doing this for months straight...

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

I wouldn't say paysites have crashed...

I make a good living, pretty much have everything I want/need in life. But am still staying up every night to 5 am getting content ready for launching new sites. If there was no money left, No way I would be doing this for months straight...

Yeah it's relative. What I mean is the same amount of work 10 years ago would have yielded you 20 to 50 times the profit. The situation is a bit better for the owners rather than the affiliates. Congrats on still doing well enough.

[JA$ON]

will never happen. You are assuming tens of thousands of people will organize like a union and while it might increase revenues long term, not enough of those people could afford to give up the short term $.

Plus, even if you got 90% to do it (huge win) the other 10% would be more than happy to jump in and make the extra money promoting sponsors that would now be FAR LESS saturated.

Nice idea, like world peace 2c

[scottybuzz]

you think affiliates are one unit and will come together and fight evil?

What comic book strip are you living in?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Jel

surprised about that fact, and that the tactic hasn't been tried too.

My guess is: The media all LOVE the free porn. And those crazy Baptist preachers almost always turn out to have a secret perverted sex life (remember Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, etc) and they too LOVE the free porn.

So they keep their mouths shut.

Hell, if other industries started giving away their product for free..I'd be happy too.

Food...FREE! A new car? FREE!
It would be awesome.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Jel

surprised about that fact, and that the tactic hasn't been tried too.

Well I am way too old for this shit and my business is doing well after a little restructuring. Otherwise I would probably take a more affirmative action. As it is, I am not effected so these days I just keep my ears open to make sure no one fucks me over and to know who is talking to who.

Originally Posted by Robbie

My guess is: The media all LOVE the free porn. And those crazy Baptist preachers almost always turn out to have a secret perverted sex life (remember Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, etc) and they too LOVE the free porn.

So they keep their mouths shut.

Hell, if other industries started giving away their product for free..I'd be happy too.

Food...FREE! A new car? FREE!
It would be awesome.

News is supposed to be news and the bigger the catastrophe the more it sells. Shit disturbing is how the news biz makes its money.

In my old age and years of experience the only time the news is not news... Is when there are spooks involved.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Robbie

My guess is: The media all LOVE the free porn. And those crazy Baptist preachers almost always turn out to have a secret perverted sex life (remember Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, etc) and they too LOVE the free porn.

So they keep their mouths shut.

Hell, if other industries started giving away their product for free..I'd be happy too.

Food...FREE! A new car? FREE!
It would be awesome.

probably has a bit to do with it actually, no cc used = no trail = no outing in the media = image preserved

[woj]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Yeah it's relative. What I mean is the same amount of work 10 years ago would have yielded you 20 to 50 times the profit. The situation is a bit better for the owners rather than the affiliates. Congrats on still doing well enough.

so in other words, easy money is gone... whatever the cause is is irrelevant... it wouldn't have lasted forever anyway... at best we all could have milked the easy money for a few extra years...

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

thats so cute.
after most programs decided they don't need affiliates, affiliates are going to pretend they don't need those sponsors.

Cue Metallica's "Sad But True"

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

thats so cute.
after most programs decided they don't need affiliates, affiliates are going to pretend they don't need those sponsors.

^^^ This is a gem!
ds

[Bladewire]

Content is king

[Struggle4Bucks]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Programs who don't give their content away will convert better for affiliates..

Yeah well... i'm not really on the tubes... and the conversion-rates in my sig are reality...
Still... where are the affiliates??? A lot of them are clueless... sorry to say...
They only promote big and very known programs and continue to wine about their 1:10000 conversions... while they COULD try something new and less saturated...

On all their pages i see the same old shit everyone knows by now...

Really really clueless....

[adultmobile]

I seem to have read this thread hundred times, is it just me?

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

thats so cute.
after most programs decided they don't need affiliates, affiliates are going to pretend they don't need those sponsors.

LOL Yep.

More or less my thoughts as well.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Yeah well... i'm not really on the tubes... and the conversion-rates in my sig are reality...
Still... where are the affiliates??? A lot of them are clueless... sorry to say...
They only promote big and very known programs and continue to wine about their 1:10000 conversions... while they COULD try something new and less saturated...

On all their pages i see the same old shit everyone knows by now...

Really really clueless....

I used to promote almost exclusively fetish programs like yours. I did very well. In the last three years it's hard to justify the time. Conversions are worse. CTR is worse. It's harder for affiliates to get organic traffic. That all adds up to around 1/3 the income of before from the raw hits to my site to the surfer signing up on your site. Not to mention the attitude in the industry is increasingly anti-affiliate (just read this topic for proof) so why should someone gamble with their future on pushing adult paysites?

We've all heard the claims before many times. But usually when we go to promote the site the end conversions are nowhere near what the owner claims. We do not get reimbursed for our time. But the owner profits because we all know the tracking is very shitty and no one has bothered to improve it because "Hey, fuck those affiliates! LOLz they are all losers who should work for me for $1.50 an hour."

If you really do that well then maybe consider an alternative system where you will pay per click or guarantee revenue to affiliates who send a certain volume? Something reasonable and not the usual crap. Maybe that might work? The truth is if there are other things to promote and getting good tier 1 organic traffic is harder why should someone take the risk of sending it to "Yet another paysite which claims 1:300 conversions"?

Affiliates aren't leaving the industry for no reason. They are going because the money isn't there for them.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

I seem to have read this thread hundred times, is it just me?

I started posting in late 2001. I have read the same sentiments every year.

It's really pretty simple, if a particular promotion or business model does not work for you, don't use it. Move on. Keep in mind that just because a model does not work for you, does not mean that it doesn't work for others. Amazing to me how many people cannot comprehend this simple concept. My experiences are different than yours, vice versa. I will never shoot a three point basket, that doesn't mean that nobody else can.

[Best-In-BC]

Old ways stillw ork, 1:10k, lol, maybe bots

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Sly

I started posting in late 2001. I have read the same sentiments every year.

It's really pretty simple, if a particular promotion or business model does not work for you, don't use it. Move on. Keep in mind that just because a model does not work for you, does not mean that it doesn't work for others. Amazing to me how many people cannot comprehend this simple concept. My experiences are different than yours, vice versa. I will never shoot a three point basket, that doesn't mean that nobody else can.

I think everyone knows that some people still do very well. But it's weird to watch the Bro circle jerk and the "head in the sand" approach when you even have both trade organizations and outside sources all declaring that overall revenues are DOWN, DOWN, DOWN. Someone asks why things are the way they are now. Well the truth is because most of the people in the industry are fucking morons and brown nosers.

No one admits being wrong. Everyone pretends things are "better than ever" right up until the very end. It's like a cult. And that's why it never gets better.