Obama asking for 5.5 billion to give to insurance companies

[Vendzilla]

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/politics...s.html/?ref=YF

Among the billions of dollars in fresh spending aimed at spurring economic growth, the $3.9-trillion budget for the 2015 fiscal year that President Barack Obama delivered to Congress on Tuesday, which has been labeled a populist wishlist primed for election year politics, included $5.5 billion in potential payments to insurance companies that suffer losses as result of the Affordable Care Act. When the healthcare reform was drafted, a temporary feature was created to reimburse insurers in the event that fewer than expected healthy individuals enrolled. This was intended to serve a cost buffer during the experimental early years of the health care reform by limiting the risk they will face by entering the new insurance market. But Republican Senator Marco Rubio of Florida branded the risk corridors, as they are called, as a ?bailout? for the insurance industry.

Man reading this article, Obamacare has some really big problems to overcome

Although several aspects of the healthcare reform have yet to be implemented, Gallup found that as of late February and early March, 23 percent of respondents have found the healthcare law has hurt them or their families, while 10 percent of respondents have found it has helped them so far. Still, the majority of respondents, 63 percent, felt the law has had no impact on them or their families. ?Despite the extraordinary emphasis on fixing problems with the healthcare exchanges that marred the initial rollout of the law, and a national campaign to enroll more Americans through the exchanges, most Americans remain unconvinced that the law will be beneficial to their families in the long run,? noted Gallup?s Justin McCarthy. ?By 40 percent to 21 percent, Americans say the law is more likely to make their families? healthcare situations worse rather than better, with the rest saying it will make little difference.?

[Ross]

It really shouldn't be this hard to give your citizens affordable healthcare, in the UK people laugh when you tell them that US people pay for health insurance. I can't wrap my head around it at all, amazes me that huge companies are allowed to make obscene amounts of money and regular people are having to choose between putting food on the table or insuring themselves just in case they get sick.

And before you all start, I know it isn't as simple as that, but still plenty of countries provide it, the USA should be able to provide free healthcare.

[pornguy]

Here is an idea. instead of this Affordable Health care. How about they open clinics country wide and staff them with Doctors that still owe student loans etc.

Then the US people can stand in line for health care like the rest of the world.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Ross

It really shouldn't be this hard to give your citizens affordable healthcare, in the UK people laugh when you tell them that US people pay for health insurance. I can't wrap my head around it at all, amazes me that huge companies are allowed to make obscene amounts of money and regular people are having to choose between putting food on the table or insuring themselves just in case they get sick.

And before you all start, I know it isn't as simple as that, but still plenty of countries provide it, the USA should be able to provide free healthcare.

Most of the Original people that were for the ACA, thought it was going to be a universal healthcare, it is not and never was intended to be that. They just figured out a way to make people that were paying for insurance to pay more so people that had less money could get insurance. Obama thinks he's Robin Hood. He's not!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Here is an idea. instead of this Affordable Health care. How about they open clinics country wide and staff them with Doctors that still owe student loans etc.

Good Idea, but as you know, it will never happen

Then the US people can stand in line for health care like the rest of the world.

LOL, That's ok, I started using the VA and couldn't be happier with the service. I see my doctor now faster than I did before.....

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Good Idea, but as you know, it will never happen



LOL, That's ok, I started using the VA and couldn't be happier with the service. I see my doctor now faster than I did before.....

Yeah I know but its wishful thinking.

My Mom worked at the VA for many years and they usually processed people about 10 times faster than a regular hospital.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/politics...s.html/?ref=YF

Among the billions of dollars in fresh spending aimed at spurring economic growth, the $3.9-trillion budget for the 2015 fiscal year that President Barack Obama delivered to Congress on Tuesday, which has been labeled a populist wishlist primed for election year politics, included $5.5 billion in potential payments to insurance companies that suffer losses as result of the Affordable Care Act. When the healthcare reform was drafted, a temporary feature was created to reimburse insurers in the event that fewer than expected healthy individuals enrolled. This was intended to serve a cost buffer during the experimental early years of the health care reform by limiting the risk they will face by entering the new insurance market. But Republican Senator Marco Rubio of Florida branded the risk corridors, as they are called, as a ?bailout? for the insurance industry.

Man reading this article, Obamacare has some really big problems to overcome

Although several aspects of the healthcare reform have yet to be implemented, Gallup found that as of late February and early March, 23 percent of respondents have found the healthcare law has hurt them or their families, while 10 percent of respondents have found it has helped them so far. Still, the majority of respondents, 63 percent, felt the law has had no impact on them or their families. ?Despite the extraordinary emphasis on fixing problems with the healthcare exchanges that marred the initial rollout of the law, and a national campaign to enroll more Americans through the exchanges, most Americans remain unconvinced that the law will be beneficial to their families in the long run,? noted Gallup?s Justin McCarthy. ?By 40 percent to 21 percent, Americans say the law is more likely to make their families? healthcare situations worse rather than better, with the rest saying it will make little difference.?

You hate Obama. We get it.

Obamacare has a long way to go. It's such a shame that Republicans are less interested in doing their job and making improvements to the lives of Americans, and more interested in bitching like little girls.

[sandman!]

everyone be scamming $$$

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You hate Obama. We get it.

Obamacare has a long way to go. It's such a shame that Republicans are less interested in doing their job and making improvements to the lives of Americans, and more interested in bitching like little girls.

Don't blame the republicans, it was passed without their consent, but nice try, I mean when you fuck up something, always blame someone that had nothing to do with it!

[Due]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Most of the Original people that were for the ACA, thought it was going to be a universal healthcare, it is not and never was intended to be that. They just figured out a way to make people that were paying for insurance to pay more so people that had less money could get insurance. Obama thinks he's Robin Hood. He's not!

I thought they made it in a way so everyone had to pay the same and insurance companies can't turn people down because of pre existing conditions ? Is there something I misunderstood?

[Matt 26z]

That's $17.32 per American. Why not just tack on $1.44 per month for each person's coverage?

Why funnel the money through the IRS and treasury?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Due

I thought they made it in a way so everyone had to pay the same and insurance companies can't turn people down because of pre existing conditions ? Is there something I misunderstood?

From what I have read, people with preexisting conditions can get coverage, they can't be denied, but it has it draw backs. If you need a medicine that's not on the "list" You are fucked.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

That's $17.32 per American. Why not just tack on $1.44 per month for each person's coverage?

Why funnel the money through the IRS and treasury?

You have to remember that the cost will be to those that can afford it, which means more like $300 per person

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by Ross

It really shouldn't be this hard to give your citizens affordable healthcare, in the UK people laugh when you tell them that US people pay for health insurance. I can't wrap my head around it at all, amazes me that huge companies are allowed to make obscene amounts of money and regular people are having to choose between putting food on the table or insuring themselves just in case they get sick.

And before you all start, I know it isn't as simple as that, but still plenty of countries provide it, the USA should be able to provide free healthcare.

Once you understand its not about healthcare but its all about government control and dependency.
If the number one priority was to provide healthcare(not insurance) it would have cost way less to provide healthcare to those who can't afford it by either paying their insurance premiums or give them free healthcare by government programs already in place.

[HelmutKohl]

It is funny to see unemployed people with no health insurance bitch about something they can actually benefit from, Vendzilla. Typical republican talk

[Captain Kawaii]

Obama is nothing more than an Uncle Tom.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by HelmutKohl

It is funny to see unemployed people with no health insurance bitch about something they can actually benefit from, Vendzilla. Typical republican talk

Hey shit for brains, I have a job.
I won't benefit from Obamacare because I started using the VA which is treating me better than private health insurance ever treated me, so as for your post, your an ignorant fuck that wants to attack me instead of commenting on the post doing nothing but getting you closer to your goals of becoming a top troll on the forum. Get someone to blow in your ear, the air supply is getting low.

[Due]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

From what I have read, people with preexisting conditions can get coverage, they can't be denied, but it has it draw backs. If you need a medicine that's not on the "list" You are fucked.

That's how it had always been. Sometimes they only cover the brand and not the genetic so it sounds like it's a win win solution.
Can you name any drugs that is no longer covered? Just wondering what kind of real world examples you have as it sounds like you are shooting blanks.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Ross

amazes me that huge companies are allowed to make obscene amounts of money

There's your problem right there Ross.

Nobody is "allowed" to do that. People just DO it. It's called freedom.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Robbie

There's your problem right there Ross.

Nobody is "allowed" to do that. People just DO it. It's called freedom.

On top of that, we all have different definitions of "obscene." To many in the world, every single one of us makes an "obscene" amount of money and should (and could) be giving more away.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Sly

On top of that, we all have different definitions of "obscene." To many in the world, every single one of us makes an "obscene" amount of money and should (and could) be giving more away.

Yep. And that will NEVER happen in my case.

I don't work to give my money to other people. I work to give MY family a better life.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yep. And that will NEVER happen in my case.

I don't work to give my money to other people. I work to give MY family a better life.

Are you telling me that you don't sit behind your computer 18 hours a day for the betterment of mankind? Shame on you!

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Sly

Are you telling me that you don't sit behind your computer 18 hours a day for the betterment of mankind? Shame on you!

I know...I must be a bad person.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

From what I have read, people with preexisting conditions can get coverage, they can't be denied, but it has it draw backs. If you need a medicine that's not on the "list" You are fucked.

I can actually speak to this with some authority. I used to have a catastrophic only policy. I work for myself and I have asthma so I was never able to buy regular health insurance and had to pay for most things out of pocket.

With Obamacare that changed. . . mostly. I am paying more for my coverage, but I get a whole lot more and in the long run I will end up saving money each year (not a lot, but I will save some and I have much better coverage).

There are many different medications for asthma. When I got my insurance they sent me a list of "approved" medications. These are medicines that I can get with a small co-pay (after the annual deductible is met). They had a separate list of medicines that I would have to pay more for. Typically my co pay would be around 30% of the cost of the medicine. There were still other medications that they would only cover if I had tried other (read cheaper) types of medication and my doctor wasn't happy with how they worked.

Luckily for me, the medicine I use was on the approved list otherwise I would have pay more for it or jump through a bunch of hoops in order to get a medicine covered.

So if you are like me it works great. If you are someone who needs a medication that is not on the approved list you may end up paying a lot more for it.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Due

That's how it had always been. Sometimes they only cover the brand and not the genetic so it sounds like it's a win win solution.
Can you name any drugs that is no longer covered? Just wondering what kind of real world examples you have as it sounds like you are shooting blanks.

Not shooting blanks

First off, the existing conditions thing only effects about 1.5 million, considering that employer insurance already covered it in most cases. Which is about 95% of the work force
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode...itions-crisis/

Second, yes there is a list of drugs that are not covered, ones like the drug Copaxone for multiple sclerosis. If you need that drug, it's going to cost you $1,980 a month after Obamacare.

All prescriptions for being in the VA are $9

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgot...der-obamacare/
If the drug isn?t on this formulary list, then the patient could be responsible for its full cost (with little or no co-insurance to help offset that cost). Most of the Obamacare plans have ?closed? formularies where non-formulary drugs aren?t covered. Moreover, the money consumers spend won?t count against their deductibles or out of pocket limits ($12,700 for a family, $6,350 for an individual).

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

I can actually speak to this with some authority. I used to have a catastrophic only policy. I work for myself and I have asthma so I was never able to buy regular health insurance and had to pay for most things out of pocket.

With Obamacare that changed. . . mostly. I am paying more for my coverage, but I get a whole lot more and in the long run I will end up saving money each year (not a lot, but I will save some and I have much better coverage).

There are many different medications for asthma. When I got my insurance they sent me a list of "approved" medications. These are medicines that I can get with a small co-pay (after the annual deductible is met). They had a separate list of medicines that I would have to pay more for. Typically my co pay would be around 30% of the cost of the medicine. There were still other medications that they would only cover if I had tried other (read cheaper) types of medication and my doctor wasn't happy with how they worked.

Luckily for me, the medicine I use was on the approved list otherwise I would have pay more for it or jump through a bunch of hoops in order to get a medicine covered.

So if you are like me it works great. If you are someone who needs a medication that is not on the approved list you may end up paying a lot more for it.

You shouldn't have to be lucky for a law to work for you, should you?

For many people they are not going to be so lucky, that's why Obama keeps postponing things in the law, because he wants democrats to get elected, when people find out how the law effects them directly, they will only have the democrats to blame

[Evil1]

Originally Posted by Ross

in the UK people laugh when you tell them that US people pay for health insurance.

And in the US we laugh when we first find out you people actually give your government money for a license for the right to own a fucking tv.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You shouldn't have to be lucky for a law to work for you, should you?

For many people they are not going to be so lucky, that's why Obama keeps postponing things in the law, because he wants democrats to get elected, when people find out how the law effects them directly, they will only have the democrats to blame

You are 100% correct. You shouldn't have to get lucky in order for the law to work for you.

One of my biggest complaints is that many people will get many options when it comes to which policy they can buy. Many of them will be of a similar price, but the medications covered and actual coverage offered can vary greatly so you really need to do your homework before choosing one and if you have a family one policy may not cover all your needs.

Obamacare is a decent idea, but I think it is pretty obvious now that they are running into some serious issues with it and they are trying to fix it on the fly. Anytime the government does that it seems to fix one issue and cause two more.

The people that really win here are those who are low enough on the income ladder that they get free coverage. They now get health insurance that they likely didn't have before. The same goes for those who get a lot of government assistance in paying for it. They too now have coverage they didn't have before at a very good price. Some self employed people are benefiting, but many others are not.

I have a feeling this will end up being one of those things that costs a ton and the return on investment will be poor.

[deltav]

Originally Posted by kane

I have a feeling this will end up being one of those things that costs a ton and the return on investment will be poor.

The rollout and PR as far as selling it to the public was a fucking travesty, not to mention the predictable technical issues. It's the biggest American social project of this generation, you'da thunk they'd absolutely ensure the websites were working 100% totally awesome before launch.

And then aside from that you have the republican hype machine in overdrive, their seeming entire reason for existence is to sabotage Obama and ruin any of his efforts. Would be nice if they had any ideas of their own, which is why in a generation they'll be irrelevant.

I have a feeling once enrollment is mandated, a large segment of society is going to freak out and you're going to get bombarded by horror stories helped along by the Right, and the legislation will be repealed. We'll see.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Don't blame the republicans, it was passed without their consent, but nice try, I mean when you fuck up something, always blame someone that had nothing to do with it!

But I do the Republicans. Instead of doing their jobs and trying fix what's broken, their ONLY goals for the past two years seem to be defeating a bill that is already a law (taking it all the way to the Supreme Court) and trying to defeat the Democratic party in the next election.

Instead of hindering the government, they need to do their jobs.

[Ross]

Originally Posted by Robbie

There's your problem right there Ross.

Nobody is "allowed" to do that. People just DO it. It's called freedom.

By your definition, most of the world has this freedom but yet they still get free health care. Anyways, none of my business what the USA does, I'm happy with the healthcare I get. Last year I ruptured my achilles tendon playing soccer, within 2 hours I was seeing a Doctor and within 5 hours I was in ER being looked at. Next morning I was seeing a specialist surgeon and two days later I was in for Surgery, total cost = $0.00 out of pocket. Thanks Canada, it isn't even my country, only lived here for 3.5 years.

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Here is an idea. instead of this Affordable Health care. How about they open clinics country wide and staff them with Doctors that still owe student loans etc.

Then the US people can stand in line for health care like the rest of the world.

Really? Yesterday I was working from home when I felt some numbness in my upper arms and then tightness in my chest. It went away and then came back hard. I went downstairs, walked up the street and entered the first medical clinic I saw (there are three on my block).

I gave a copy of my passport to the receptionist, sat down and 5 minutes later was seen by the doctor. Sent me to the next room for an EKG to rule out the heart - EKG was fine. Said my pressure was high, went over the meds I was taking for GERD.

She then gave me 7 days worth of meds for GERD Nexium and a couple others), 7 days worth of meds for hypertension (Micardis) and told me to see her on Monday.

Total cost for everything - including the meds - $35

No waiting in line, great personal service.

And that's the key word. Here and in a lot of other places, medicine is a service. In the US, it's a business, plain and simple.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Ross

By your definition, most of the world has this freedom but yet they still get free health care. Anyways, none of my business what the USA does, I'm happy with the healthcare I get. Last year I ruptured my achilles tendon playing soccer, within 2 hours I was seeing a Doctor and within 5 hours I was in ER being looked at. Next morning I was seeing a specialist surgeon and two days later I was in for Surgery, total cost = $0.00 out of pocket. Thanks Canada, it isn't even my country, only lived here for 3.5 years.

Ross, NOTHING is "Free". Somebody paid for it.

That's what I was pointing out to you. Don't let the govt. making you dependent on them take away your own spirit and pride in yourself.

I personally do not WANT anybody else paying my way. I wouldn't brag about it on a message board either.

I pay my own way. Always have, and I hope to God that I always will.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

From what I have read, people with preexisting conditions can get coverage, they can't be denied, but it has it draw backs. If you need a medicine that's not on the "list" You are fucked.

You can not be denied, but you also go to a special pool.
Say you have a family, and a child has a pre existing. You have to have 2 Insurance policies, and the Child's with the condition, will more than likely be More than the entire Family's.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But I do the Republicans. Instead of doing their jobs and trying fix what's broken, their ONLY goals for the past two years seem to be defeating a bill that is already a law (taking it all the way to the Supreme Court) and trying to defeat the Democratic party in the next election.

Instead of hindering the government, they need to do their jobs.

Honestly????

A LAW? That Obama can change with a Twitter post.. HAHA

They are doing their job, and trying to stop this land slide of crap.

Obama fixes stuff, but saying, we will delay it for 2 years. Umm.. in 2 years, that problem is still there, it was just delayed.
What is in 2 years? Elections?

Everyone should have health care, not Health Coverage!!!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Honestly????

Yes, honestly.

How many lawsuits did the Republicans file? They took this all the way to the Supreme Court - for what? They knew this was going to pass, it was already a law, and instead of trying to do anything to make it better all they've done is bitch. I mean, really, ALL THEY HAVE IS BITCHED LIKE LITTLE GIRLS.

What is the Republican party hoping to to accomplish here? Best case scenario would be a defeat of this law, four years wasted, billions spent, the bulk of Americans without healthcare, and right back to square one. That's not a victory at all.

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

They are doing their job, and trying to stop this land slide of crap.

They aren't doing their job at all. Congress has the lowest approval rating in my lifetime. They haven't accomplished anything at all.

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Everyone should have health care, not Health Coverage!!!

Great idea. What is the Republican party doing to make this happen?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But I do the Republicans. Instead of doing their jobs and trying fix what's broken, their ONLY goals for the past two years seem to be defeating a bill that is already a law (taking it all the way to the Supreme Court) and trying to defeat the Democratic party in the next election.

Instead of hindering the government, they need to do their jobs.

Hindering Government? Seriously? Do what Obama and the democrats want or you are hindering government? Come on Richard, that's not how the government works.

Right now, Paul Rand is suing Obama over two things, unconstitutional changes on the fly of the ACA law and the unconstitutional way NSA has got information from places like Verizon on a search warrant that just said give us all your information, which is against the 4th amendment

So lets start with the unconstitutional ways Obama is running things first!

They are doing their jobs, just read the polls, they are representing their constituents.

For fuck sacks, Obamacare is fucking up the economy and you are blaming the republicans, when not one republican signed for the bill to turn it into a law. If Obama had brought the two parties together on the bill and used input from both, he would have got a law that was bi partisan, but instead, he wanted to claim victory for the democratic party. Now he's figuring out how fucked he made it for himself knowing that he will get no support for the the law from the republicans because it's badly written and when then midterms happen, he will be a useless president with no power. He has pushed back the employer paid parts of it because he doesn't want the bad news about that to hit before the mid terms. That's not right!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Hindering Government? Seriously? Do what Obama and the democrats want or you are hindering government? Come on Richard, that's not how the government works.

How many times has the Republican party sued to stop Obamcare? Ten? Twenty? One hundred? The took it all the way to the Supreme Court - AND LOST (again). At what point in time counter productive, a waste of time and money, and utterly stupid?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Right now, Paul Rand is suing Obama over two things, unconstitutional changes on the fly of the ACA law and the unconstitutional way NSA has got information from places like Verizon on a search warrant that just said give us all your information, which is against the 4th amendment

So now we have Congressmen and Senators suing the President? That's productive. Is that how our Congressmen and Senators conduct business, but suing the White House? Yea us.

Wait, Rand Paul is... Not the solution, he is part of the problem. Since 2011 Rand Paul has been on the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. If that's not enough, he's a ranking member there. Are you telling me Rand Paul didn't know about this? Can't Rand Paul change this, fix this, do anything, without filing yet another lawsuit?

Why hasn't he filed a lawsuit against former President Bush? Isn't he the one that created the law our government is currently using to spy on us?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So lets start with the unconstitutional ways Obama is running things first!

Why is that suddenly a concern - Fuck all, we invaded a country and killed hundreds of thousands of people on a lie; Why aren't we concerned about that?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

They are doing their jobs, just read the polls, they are representing their constituents.

Let's take a look at those polls.... Congressional approval rating is at 13%. All of 13% of the US population believe that Congress is doing it's job. Do the math - That means 87% of the people believe Congress isn't doing their job.

This is the lowest approval rating of Congress in our lifetime.

Did you honestly just tell me to look at the polls? Because obviously you haven't.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

For fuck sacks, Obamacare is fucking up the economy and you are blaming the republicans, when not one republican signed for the bill to turn it into a law. If Obama had brought the two parties together on the bill and used input from both, he would have got a law that was bi partisan, but instead, he wanted to claim victory for the demcratic party. Now he's figuring out how fucked he made it for himself knowing that he will get no support for the the law from the republicans because it's badly written and when then midterms happen, he will be a useless president with no power. He has pushed back the employer paid parts of it because he doesn't want the bad news about that to hit before the mid terms. That's not right!

He's fucking up the economy? When you say he's fucking up the economy, you base this mostly because he took unemployment from an healthy 9.1% to a unhealthy 6.7%?

A bill Republicans didn't like got turned into a law? Well that's a first right? That's a good reason to be upset. Any time that happens we should send Congress home and stop national government just for giggles.

They tried to get a law that was bi partisan, instead you warned us about death panels. This is a Republican idea, but clearly your idea of bi partisan is lawsuits - hundreds of them.

The Republican party has failed us three times. Once with Bush who ran the entire country into the gutter - and you cannot deny this - and then two more times when they couldn't bring forth a decent candidate to beat a little known Senator who had an unimpressive track record.

I am not a Democrat. But for heaven's sake the Republican party needs to pull it's head out of it's asses quickly and figure out a way to beat Hillary or we are a all screwed.

[Rochard]

Honestly... I hope Palin runs and wins - Only because she's funny as all hell.

"I can see Russia from my back yard".

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Honestly... I hope Palin runs and wins - Only because she's funny as all hell.

"I can see Russia from my back yard".

The only thing funny is your lack of knowledge

She never said that

http://snopes.com/politics/palin/russia.asp

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

How many times has the Republican party sued to stop Obamcare? Ten? Twenty? One hundred? The took it all the way to the Supreme Court - AND LOST (again). At what point in time counter productive, a waste of time and money, and utterly stupid?

Polls about Obamacare are pretty bad

So now we have Congressmen and Senators suing the President? That's productive. Is that how our Congressmen and Senators conduct business, but suing the White House? Yea us.

Wait, Rand Paul is... Not the solution, he is part of the problem. Since 2011 Rand Paul has been on the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. If that's not enough, he's a ranking member there. Are you telling me Rand Paul didn't know about this? Can't Rand Paul change this, fix this, do anything, without filing yet another lawsuit?

Why hasn't he filed a lawsuit against former President Bush? Isn't he the one that created the law our government is currently using to spy on us?

Was created before Bush, now they have been caught breaking the constitution, or have you been asleep?

Why is that suddenly a concern - Fuck all, we invaded a country and killed hundreds of thousands of people on a lie; Why aren't we concerned about that?

What does this have to do with the OP?

Let's take a look at those polls.... Congressional approval rating is at 13%. All of 13% of the US population believe that Congress is doing it's job. Do the math - That means 87% of the people believe Congress isn't doing their job.

This is the lowest approval rating of Congress in our lifetime.

Did you honestly just tell me to look at the polls? Because obviously you haven't.

Wrong polls

He's fucking up the economy? When you say he's fucking up the economy, you base this mostly because he took unemployment from an healthy 9.1% to a unhealthy 6.7%?

A bill Republicans didn't like got turned into a law? Well that's a first right? That's a good reason to be upset. Any time that happens we should send Congress home and stop national government just for giggles.

They tried to get a law that was bi partisan, instead you warned us about death panels. This is a Republican idea, but clearly your idea of bi partisan is lawsuits - hundreds of them.

The Republican party has failed us three times. Once with Bush who ran the entire country into the gutter - and you cannot deny this - and then two more times when they couldn't bring forth a decent candidate to beat a little known Senator who had an unimpressive track record.

I am not a Democrat. But for heaven's sake the Republican party needs to pull it's head out of it's asses quickly and figure out a way to beat Hillary or we are a all screwed.

Since Obama has been in office, Median income has dropped across the board 7%, the unemployment rate only improves because the workforce has decreased and the prices of damn near everything has gone up.

I'm not a republican, I don't care who the next president is, Hillary could do a better job than Obama, if she works with the other side like her husband did.


But hey , according to you things are better, even though 47 million people are on food stamps. Never mind about the 85 billion a month they are printing up to give to the banks.

http://www.npr.org/2013/12/17/251796...llion-question

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

You can not be denied, but you also go to a special pool.
Say you have a family, and a child has a pre existing. You have to have 2 Insurance policies, and the Child's with the condition, will more than likely be More than the entire Family's.

I can only imagine the cluster fuck people have to go thru of federal bureaucracy that Obamacare has created to give any hope of getting treated.

Pretty simple, Lawyers don't treat people, doctors do. The Democratic party under Obama is trying to change that..

This by all signs is just going to get worse

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Pretty simple, Lawyers don't treat people, doctors do.

Yet how many lawsuits has the Republican party filed to stop this?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Yet how many lawsuits has the Republican party filed to stop this?

Their job is to represent their constituents, would you have them ignore them?

What part of that don't you understand?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

Forty percent (40%) of Likely U.S. Voters have at least a somewhat favorable opinion of the health care law, while 56% regard it unfavorably, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. This includes 16% who view the law Very Favorably and 41% who have a Very Unfavorable opinion of it.


Or are you still listening to the people that told you that Sarah Palin said "I can see Russia from my back yard"

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by kane

I can actually speak to this with some authority. I used to have a catastrophic only policy. I work for myself and I have asthma so I was never able to buy regular health insurance and had to pay for most things out of pocket.

With Obamacare that changed. . . mostly. I am paying more for my coverage, but I get a whole lot more and in the long run I will end up saving money each year (not a lot, but I will save some and I have much better coverage).

There are many different medications for asthma. When I got my insurance they sent me a list of "approved" medications. These are medicines that I can get with a small co-pay (after the annual deductible is met). They had a separate list of medicines that I would have to pay more for. Typically my co pay would be around 30% of the cost of the medicine. There were still other medications that they would only cover if I had tried other (read cheaper) types of medication and my doctor wasn't happy with how they worked.

Luckily for me, the medicine I use was on the approved list otherwise I would have pay more for it or jump through a bunch of hoops in order to get a medicine covered.

So if you are like me it works great. If you are someone who needs a medication that is not on the approved list you may end up paying a lot more for it.

Someone close to me needs a prescription that used to cost $60 is now $1,500. It's covered (if you have insurance), but the copay is more than the cash patient price used to be.

[AmeliaG]

Originally Posted by Ross

It really shouldn't be this hard to give your citizens affordable healthcare, in the UK people laugh when you tell them that US people pay for health insurance. I can't wrap my head around it at all, amazes me that huge companies are allowed to make obscene amounts of money and regular people are having to choose between putting food on the table or insuring themselves just in case they get sick.

And before you all start, I know it isn't as simple as that, but still plenty of countries provide it, the USA should be able to provide free healthcare.

It's not hard to give citizens affordable healthcare. Obviously that was never the goal of ACA or we'd all have affordable healthcare.

We should have universal healthcare or a free market. This insurance industry middlemen bailout train is why healthcare costs Americans too much.

My brother just went to the doctor in Korea. They warned him it was going to cost more because he is not Korean. It set him back $13.

[Sin_Vraal]

Originally Posted by Rochard

You hate Obama. We get it.

Obamacare has a long way to go. It's such a shame that Republicans are less interested in doing their job and making improvements to the lives of Americans, and more interested in bitching like little girls.

I'm just really curious. I'm not trying to troll u or anything but ... how could you, or any adult webmaster identify at all with a bunch of free loaders?

whats the appeal? I mean I agree with need some universal coverage but not the way this idiot is doing it.

we need some politicians in office who 'just dont give a fuck' and have the balls to say gofuckyourself on national television when someone deserves it.

the way I see it : republicans are just incompetent yes men for pro-business (and I dare say big biz even)..maybe we can call them elitist.

but democrats pander to poor people and gluttony. they espouse giving more of my money to breeders who dont deserve it.


I'll throw my hat with the lot who are willing to make people work hard for that living. not with people who want handouts all the time.

None of us here who are successful would be where we are today if we spent our time giving money to bums on the street (unless its for content), so why side with people who are just vote buying from unions and poor people by squandering our tax dollars?

I'm sure I sound like an asshole. but hey, its gofuckyourself.com. so I guess it is what it is.

[VikingMan]

Guys this is just is just more transferring of wealth to "the special people". The bankers got their loot years ago and the insurance companies will now get theirs. Giving them 5 billion dollars is no big deal. It is all just funny money anyway. Someone enters it into a computer and it exists. That is all. The zombies will wake up the next morning and think nothing of it. Life goes on.............until everything crashes completely. We are currently in a slow long term crash. The zombies will continue to live in denial for a long as possible but more and more people are losing jobs, losing houses, and barely able to afford necessities. Without the FED pumping 80 billion a month into the ponzi scheme we would have crashed hard a long time ago.

[kane]

Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Someone close to me needs a prescription that used to cost $60 is now $1,500. It's covered (if you have insurance), but the copay is more than the cash patient price used to be.

I'm a little confused by this. Did they used to have insurance and have a $60 copay that is now $1,500?

What is the cash price of the drug? Did the drug company raise the price of it?

[crockett]

I knew Vend couldn't last two weeks with out making a topic to complain about Obama..