Operating system fail

[Cherry7]

After a few days with Windows 7 and realise MS have not bothered to sort out basic bugs that have been around for years.

When researching problems end up on XP support pages, using dos prompt programs to solve everyday problems of hard disks.

What other product could be sold not working properly ? And sold again and again?

Can no one sue them or political body take them to task?

The time we spent editing, photographing is now spent fighting a computer.

[DamianJ]

The price you pay for choosing Windows.

[Emil]

So what's the problem then? Windows 7 is fucking great.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

The price you pay for choosing Windows.

On installing Quicktime the program came back with wrong serial number.

In the Apple Store they could not help but book a call back.

Later that day I got a call from Apple in Portugal. After 30 minutes they concluded that the only support was from "chat"

After 30 minutes on chat they again got someone to ring from Portugal, they could not solve the problem and after an hour I had a call from Apple USA ( no doubt a $20 an hour rather than $2 support worker )

He then found out that the USER has to be exactly the same as the name ordered, case sensitive and all, not only the serial number which was right the whole time.

No mention of this is made on the Quicktime form. Wasting hours of my time and Apples.

The problem of Macs not reading hard disks is just as common.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

On installing Quicktime the program came back with wrong serial number.

...the USER has to be exactly the same as the name ordered, case sensitive and all, not only the serial number which was right the whole time.

So, you had a problem because you made a typo on your username and they fixed it for you for free. That's good.

But, it is a piece of shit as software. What are you using it for? To transcode? Use Sorenson Squeeze. Miles better. http://sorenson-squeeze.en.softonic.com

Originally Posted by Cherry7

The problem of Macs not reading hard disks is just as common.

It isn't.

HTH.

[anexsia]

I freaking LOVE Windows 7 64-Bit, I dual boot Windows 7 and Debian

My current rig:

Intel i7 4770K @ 4.3GHz w/ Hyper+ 212
Gigabyte Z87X-UD4H-CF (Bios F7)
16GB (2x8GB) Team Xtreem DDR3-2400
Sapphire Radeon 7950 3GB @ 1050/1500
Corsair Neutron 256GB SSD & Crucial m4 64GB SSD
2TB Toshiba, 1.5TB WD Green, 1TB WD Black, 640GB WD Blue

[seeandsee]

windows 7 is far best os in world for now

[MPGdevil]

Sooo the bug was really yourself.

[martinsc]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

windows 7 is far best os in world for now

[Cherry7]

Dynamic disks created in XP cannot be read in Windows 7.

Have to use 3rd party programs to convert.

The disk management system does not work nor do the DOS commands.

This has been the case since XP.

Moving files between Mac and PC... the Macs fail to read disks and pen drives...wasting hours.

[DamianJ]

Really sounds like user error.

2 seconds on google:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...w7itprogeneral

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927520/en-us

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/threa...a-loss.191006/

for the mac, to access the stupid dynamic thing you chose you'll have to move the data off onto another drive, reformat the dynamic drive so it is a universal format, then move the data back onto it.

if you just try and solve problems using google first, you'll find it's very simple.

[American Psycho]

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[MaDalton]

the bug usually sits in front of the computer

[Cherry7]

Yes lets read what Microsoft write...

Once those conditions are met you should see the "Import foreign drive" option in the disk management console. Once that's done you should have normal access to the drive.

It should work, but it doesn't.

As can also be seen by the number of 3rd party products that offer to do the job. (try google)

Moving data off 1000 gig drives is not that easy or possible.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

It should work, but it doesn't.

Did you read any of the links I posted explaining how to do it?

I bet you've got the wrong version of win7.

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Moving data off 1000 gig drives is not that easy or possible.

It's very, very easy. You get another 2TB drive for 47 quid, transfer it, undo the stupid dynamic disk format, format it properly, and you're golden.

And you've learned not to use stupid file formats in the future. Cheap price for such an important lesson.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

The price you pay for choosing Windows.

Your hatred for all things other than Apple is noted.

Apple made an operating system that worked with their computers only. On the other hand, Microsoft made an operation system that ran on every computer platform out there - no small feat.

These days Windows has no issues. I've never had a Win7 box crash on me, and haven't seen the blue screen of death in about five years.

[iwantchixx]

I finally had a BSOD (or equivalent) on win8.1 a couple weeks ago. I was kind of excited about it as windows has never made one for me in years, regardless of version.

All computers have issues, just those with macs run into it less due to having closed systems with less types of different hardware.

Think of it like an engine.. a crate engine with run smooth right out of the crate with slight tinkering. A completely hand-built engine from parts will have more issues to get running, but once running, is just as reliable as the crate engine.

Mac fanboys are a special breed though, they really truly think their macs are bulletproof, crash-proof and never ever have problems. Those are people that just don't push their systems, doing only what apple intended them to do out of the box.

And since we are showing off our system specs, I'll post mine.. though, I'm sure mac fanboys will balk at it.

AMD Fx-4100 3.8ghz (totally need to upgrade this!)
Asus Sabertooth r2.0 Motherboard
Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 2 CPU Cooler
2x 4gb Corsair Vengeance PC3 12800
Antenc 900 case loaded with mostly Noctua fans
128gb Sandforce SSD
2.0TB Platter
500gb Platter
MSI GTX 760 TwinFrozr 2GB
Enermax 700w PSU
Steinberg UR22 Audio
Windows 8.1

And I bet it has the same uptime and performance as your garden variety Mac for half the price. Does audio well, video well, gaming quite well, business apps quite well, CS6 quite well (though, would benefit from better cpu for processing 1-2gb in photo content at a time) and never gets rebooted more than once a month.

The only OS issues or software issues I run into are when windows updates the OS and I need to update my drivers at same time, but I have an app that does all that for me with two clicks.

So tell me.. which is better? Mac or PC? Neither.. you put a bit of money into your machine, it'll work fine, but one does not need to go mac to get performance.. heck, you'll save a bit going custom PC. The only advantage the mac has over this setup is the stronger CPU out of the box, but that's upgradeable, no issues.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Your hatred for all things other than Apple is noted.

Apple made an operating system that worked with their computers only. On the other hand, Microsoft made an operation system that ran on every computer platform out there - no small feat.

These days Windows has no issues. I've never had a Win7 box crash on me, and haven't seen the blue screen of death in about five years.

I don't hate any operating system. That would be ridiculous. If you want to use Windows, awesome. If you want to use *nix, awesome. If you want to use OSX, awesome.

But, when you have a problem like the OP does, that *is* the price you pay for using windows.

And to suggest "these days windows has no issues" in a thread where someone is having an issue with windows is brilliantly funny.

Thanks for the giggle!

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

The only advantage the mac has over this setup is the stronger CPU out of the box, but that's upgradeable, no issues.

Not at all. The advantage is they make the OS *and* the hardware. Windows has to work on 2938294839 different boxes. That's the difference.

If you want to tinker around building your own machine, awesome. I want something that will work out of the box.

But, this is a big world and there are lots of choices, if you found something that works for your use case, that's spiffy.

Arguing about which OS is 'best' is so beyond lame it's not even worth discussing.

[FlowerKid]

Sorry but win 7 is outdated, win 8.1 is actual. And don't use such exotic stuff, also OSX and Linux have issues with exotic and beta versions of file systems

[Cherry7]

You can't copy the data of the dynamic disk if the computer see s it but reports it as missing.

Disk management is renamed, put in a different place in every version, but NOT improved or made to work. This is acknowledge by the fact you are directed to use DOS commands These don't seem to have changed ever.

Has Windows 8 solved this problem, not according to Tech Support I am dealing with.

If Windows is properly made why are there so many service packs?

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Your hatred for all things other than Apple is noted.

Apple made an operating system that worked with their computers only. On the other hand, Microsoft made an operation system that ran on every computer platform out there - no small feat.

Uh...I'm running a machine that I BUILT MYSELF that runs Apple's OSX. My mom used to tell me that if I didn't know what I was talking about, it was better to keep my mouth shut as opposed to look like an idiot.

[deltav]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Uh...I'm running a machine that I BUILT MYSELF that runs Apple's OSX. My mom used to tell me that if I didn't know what I was talking about, it was better to keep my mouth shut as opposed to look like an idiot.

But that was far far from Apple's intention and it's also fairly rare. In general Rochard's statement is true.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

After a few days with Windows 7 and realise MS have not bothered to sort out basic bugs that have been around for years.

When researching problems end up on XP support pages, using dos prompt programs to solve everyday problems of hard disks.

What other product could be sold not working properly ? And sold again and again?

Can no one sue them or political body take them to task?

The time we spent editing, photographing is now spent fighting a computer.

That was my exact experience with PC 12 years ago.


To make things worse, I was the guy called up to fix all of his friends PCs.


Missing .DLL files, programs not opening, programs crashing, etc. Hours of my week consumed with this crap! And my buddies, mom, family; Please dave, can you come over and fix this.. Hated that shit!!!!


This shit would happen regularly. Finally got fed up with it and switched to Mac.


Im no fan boy, I'm just a fan of being able to go straight to work when i flip the switch.




I think this has happened so much to so manny people that Mac fan boys were created because of all of these universal hate for PC and windows.



If you really think about it, people get excited for something as simple as turning on there Mac and it actually works without issues.



Just Dave

[deltav]

We've got a mixture of Apple/Windows/Android stuff here - they all have their pros and cons. I've gotta echo what people have said above, Windows 7 is a very nice & stable OS. There is room for improvement (I haven't messed with Win8 so can't speak to that) but there sure as hell also is with Apple's OSs too.

Using funky drive formats as the OP did is sometimes going to give you trouble on any system, this isn't an issue particular to Windows.

One of the big bonuses of Windows systems is the ability to easily build your own computer with handpicked components. I think if more people realized how easy this is and that you don't have to be a true tech nerd, it'd be way more common. The 4-5 hours total it might take is well worth a quality machine you'll use for years, and probably will end up saving you time due to upper-end hardware that will rarely if ever malfunction or need to be replaced (contrasted with most factory built computers that cut corners there).

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Arguing about which OS is 'best' is so beyond lame it's not even worth discussing.

But arguing which is best hardware wise is ok?

Sorry but windows machines work right out of the box, too. Unless its a custom build then of course, some fixes are needed. Shit goes wonky (both mac and pc) when people start installing stuff. Such as the thread starter... has nothing to do with win7, nothing to do with windows and nothing to do with which hardware is better or worse.

And btw, after installing all my drivers, this windows machine works right out of the box, too, so I fail to see the advantage aside from cpu power with a mac equivalent.

heck, one of my bosses has both a mac and a pc-hackintosh (flip flops from win to mac os every month or so it seems LOL) and he has about the same amount of issues as I do... which is next to none. Not to say we don't get computer issues,, but MILD in comparison to any mac or pc user complaining about their computer on this forum.

If you're willing to put money in, both are JUST AS GOOD as the other right out of the box, though and in fact, PC ends up a bit cheaper and MUCH MUCH easier to service. Just people have different tastes in how they want their computer to be, this this mac vs win war is all about preferences. Unfortunately, most mac fans are as annoying as PETA members..

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

That was my exact experience with PC 12 years ago.


To make things worse, I was the guy called up to fix all of his friends PCs.


Missing .DLL files, programs not opening, programs crashing, etc. Hours of my week consumed with this crap! And my buddies, mom, family; Please dave, can you come over and fix this.. Hated that shit!!!!


This shit would happen regularly. Finally got fed up with it and switched to Mac.


Im no fan boy, I'm just a fan of being able to go straight to work when i flip the switch.




I think this has happened so much to so manny people that Mac fan boys were created because of all of these universal hate for PC and windows.



If you really think about it, people get excited for something as simple as turning on there Mac and it actually works without issues.



Just Dave

That's also 12 years ago. It's not like that anymore...

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

That's also 12 years ago. It's not like that anymore...

Your probably right with that statement.


I do have one newer PC and have had no issues with it at all. But I only turn it on 20 times a years for things that are not Mac compatible.


But I'm heavily invested in Mac and have had Zero issues in 12 years. And I absolutely know when I go to edit pics or vids, its gonna work.


I just wished My PCs, worked back then when I needed them to work. I wouldn't own Mac today.


Just Dave

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Your probably right with that statement.


I do have one newer PC and have had no issues with it at all. But I only turn it on 20 times a years for things that are not Mac compatible.


But I'm heavily invested in Mac and have had Zero issues in 12 years. And I absolutely know when I go to edit pics or vids, its gonna work.


I just wished My PCs, worked back then when I needed them to work. I wouldn't own Mac today.


Just Dave

Well, after 12 years, you're used to what you use, no sense changing, right? You're a legit mac user heh Anyone switching to mac during the xp era got applause from me, so long as it was not just a fashion statement. And because I got higher commissions on mac.. haha

What irks me is the "oh, windows never works right, always crashes, blah blah" when they hardly use their mac past blogging and FB, let alone touched a windows machine in their life heh Or the sad customer comparing a $5000 setup to a 250 dollar acer with windows vista on it that they brought in hoping we could make "faster". "Cant make it faster? OK.. this laptops sucks, im getting a mac, show me one!". "Duh it sucks, its a $250 machine but let me show you this mac you want, only $5000 with everything you said you wanted on it and puts 250 bux in my pocket! Besides, isn't it pretty? Nice colors huh?" Seriously... it was that easy.

For windows 8.1, the issue I do run into is the lack of support from hardware vendors. It irks me. I had to buy the latest and greatest of cheapest Audio Interface boxes for recording because of lack of support. I can't blame MS for that though, its the manufacturers taking too long. I had to replace my GPU card, too, cause nvideo couldnt get a solid driver working for 3 specific cards running under 8.1 but it was worth it, I now have more than enough horsepower. Little things like this happen in the mac-world, too. Though, not as often with their latest releases.

All that being said, if someone were to give me a nice mac pro setup for graphic stuff or an all-in-one imac for the kitchen? I'd be stoked as fuck

[Cherry7]

I am sure both Mac and PC after 20 years and numerous OS can now be used for email and facebook without grief.


I am not using exotic hardware, these are WD hard disks, and the basic routines to address them and they way the computer remembers and writes the info to the registry does not work properly.

For HD video editing hard disk management is vital.

Why should it be such grief when a hard disk is connected to a computer it is a throw of the dice whether the computer will see it or not?

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

I am not using exotic hardware, these are WD hard disks, and the basic routines to address them and they way the computer remembers and writes the info to the registry does not work properly.

Because YOU chose the wrong file format.

Originally Posted by Cherry7

For HD video editing hard disk management is vital.

And yet you still chose the wrong file format, and are complaining about a £50 solution to your problem

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Why should it be such grief when a hard disk is connected to a computer it is a throw of the dice whether the computer will see it or not?

It wouldn't be if you hadn't chosen to use the wrong file format.

"WARNING: After you convert a basic disk to a dynamic disk, local access to the dynamic disk is limited to Windows 2000 and Windows XP Professional. "

Sadly, this is a case of DFU.

[Cherry7]

The disks do not read in Windows XP either. The computer sees the disks as missing but does not mount them. The programs designed to do the job in windows and DOS do not work.



You are an expert on lenses but not a photographer.

You are an expert on editing video but not an editor.

You are an expert on computers but not a computer technician.

I did believe you knew about marketing because I did not, but after reading what you write about things I do know about, I have my doubts.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

The disks do not read in Windows XP either. The computer sees the disks as missing but does not mount them. The programs designed to do the job in windows and DOS do not work.

- Windows "dynamic" disk format is their version of software raid, and should only (never) be used if you are, for whatever reason, setting up a software raid/jbod. Using "dynamic" format on a single drive is YOUR fault, not the operating systems fault.

- It is not the operating systems fault that you are trying to use software so outdated that it'll only run on xp or DOS... DOS, seriously? what are you trying to do, play wolfenstein 3d?

[Cherry7]

When you make films you store large files for many years. They have to move from one operating system to the next.

Underneath Windows there is DOS. Still there 30 years on.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

When you make films you store large files for many years. They have to move from one operating system to the next.

And they would have done, if you didn't fuck up and pick a stupid file format. And if you were not unable to follow the VERY simple instructions I've posted on how to fix your fuck up.

[vdbucks]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Underneath Windows there is DOS. Still there 30 years on.

You should educate yourself a little more...

You have been wrong since your first post in this thread, up to and including your claim that DOS still exists at the core of Windows.

The only "bug" in this thread so far is called "User Error".

[facialfreak]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Moving files between Mac and PC... the Macs fail to read disks and pen drives...wasting hours.

Excuse me?!?!?!?

Macs have read NTFS effortlessly since (at least) OSX Tiger ....

I have no problems reading networked Windows drives from my mac, and can read SD cards and USB drives too!

[facialfreak]

Windows Command Prompt (cmd.exe) may look similar to DOS of days gone by, but it is not DOS.

Linux, BSD Unix, and Mac OS (built from FreeBSD kernel) all have "Terminal" ... which is the core of the OS ...

What most people refer to as "The OS" is actually nothing more than a Graphical User Interface that has been added -- to make the operating systems more user friendly!

All computer operating systems are built on some kind of command line infrastructure. It would be impossible to load a GUI without first loading a command line infrastructure.

The comment about DOS still beneath Windows 30 years later is pure comedy!!

[Cherry7]

Yes, it is all very funny, and I am sure that you all feel very smug in passing it off as someone else' s mistake.

If you are using commands in the command prompt. They are in my reference book of DOS - my bad that I call them DOS, Disk Operating System. Oh the thing that doesn't work properly.

The point again is that Disk management does not work properly, neither does using the command line DISKPART.

This is not only me that says so but Tech support at the company that built the PC.

The other proof is the length of the help pages in windows, their use of the word "should" plus reference pages spanning years, and 3rd party fixes.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by facialfreak

Excuse me?!?!?!?

Macs have read NTFS effortlessly since (at least) OSX Tiger ....

I have no problems reading networked Windows drives from my mac, and can read SD cards and USB drives too!

I am very happy for you.

I took video rushes into a Mac Final cut pro edit room and it did read the 4rth disk we took in, after failing to read 2 others and a pen drive.

I m sure it is our fault and we are the only ones who have problems with hard disks, their readability and failures.