happyendingproductions

aight guys i know this is a general question and a lot goes into it but I just got a proposition to be fully funded to start a hardcore pay site which could turn into a network of pay sites depending how I do. The question:

What would be the amount to ask for to start one site? How much capital do I need?

Factors to include are:

I live in the Northwest.

I already own a professional camera and hd camcorder.

I already own some lighting but maybe upgrading that to maximize quality.

I already know CCbill processing is $750.

I also know that paying models depends on the model and the work being done and since Im a start up I would not be booking $1500 pornstars right away.

What does testing cost? on average?

If anyone could throw some figures at me I would really appreciate it.

Spunky

At least 10k should be a good start

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MiamiBoyz

I think that if he's going with exclusive content that itself will be a substantial investment so I would actually double your figure to 20k.

Klen

Well some people managed to start with almost 0 cost by simply sharing revenue with models but such example are very rare.

happyendingproductions

ok guys thanks for the response. yes i will be shooting exclusive content. so lets say 20k is amount i should ask for. now i need to show where that money is being allocated. so help me break that down.

PS I also forgot to add that I have a guy locally who would build the site for $1250.

brassmonkey

6 million dollars give me 30k deposit ill set it up j/k

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Rikki-Nyx

shoot amateurs for 500 bucks.. come out with maybe 30 exclusive videos for 15k.. 5k for some marketing or put towards updates.. 1250 too much for the site.. I can get you a nice site built for 600 bucks by the same person who did our site.. sent you a note to your admin e-mail from meetkatie.com

NewOldPlayer

Don't be such an idiot.

If you don't have the ability and brains to analyze your own business market, break down costs and project earnings, etc... then don't waste your time getting advice from a bunch of losers that have washed out at the bottom of the porn barrel.

99.9% of the people here are losers. Just take a look at how many 'posts' some of them have made, then you can see where all their time went.

Most spend hours and hours daily on this site because they have no businesses or their business has bottomed out and by posting here, they are part of some strange online group therapy where 'it's ok to be a loser, because everybody else is.' Misery loves company.

Do yourself a favor and don't listen to ANYBODY on this or any other webmaster blog.

Do your own homework and use your own brains. Taking advice from losers is not their fault, it's YOUR fault. And when your small business fails, nobody around here will give a fuck and in fact, will laugh at you for trying. Then you'll be able to join the ranks of GFY, bitching daily about, 'tube sites stole my sales' and 'the porn industry is dead.'

If anybody approaches you for any single thing, it's because your an easy mark and they want to sell you something. Traffic, banner spots, affiliate program sign ups, the list of shit goes on and on. Just get away from this board and these people and at least you'll have a small chance of creating your own business.

Wake up and get away from here now. In a few years you'll remember this and look back with a smile.

arock10

I would be more worried about figuring out how to make the $20k back then the details on start up costs. It's easy to spend money and build sites

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wehateporn

What niche are you going for?

Edit: I see hardcore, what I was going to say is not relevant

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Struggle4Bucks

You mean starting a site or getting a site at the point of profit? These 2 things are completely different. To start a site... let's say 20k... but... then you would need let's say another 80k for the rest of the year.... 15 scenes will not get you anywhere... it's not even a month of promos and tube-trailers. Your traffic dries up (if you find affiliates at all as a start up)within a month. Don't expect the cashflow within a month to continue to shoot for your weekly new updates; further developtment of the site; etc etc etc...

Just saying... 20k won't get you anywhere further then throwing the site online...

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SmutHammer

I agree, It's going to be very difficult to start a website from scratch with 20K, since you have the equipment that does help a lot. CcBill is not 750. Visa and Mastercard both have fee's. It's now $1,000. You really need to find a niche/angle. Editing and set up take a long time. And getting good converting traffic isn't as easy as it once was. People telling you porn is dead are full of shit. It doesn't make what it once did but is far from dead. Also be prepared to spend every waking hour on your computer.

MaDalton

without traffic this is a 110% fail

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HomerSimpson

I agree...
Better start shooting small or micro-niche and try selling trough clips4sale.com and clips.com... Making a paysite costs money and you most probably have no traffic. Shooting content is one thing but making a paysite and making money from it is totally different...

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You should also look into getting your own high risk merchant account, it's the same cost as acquiring a CCBill account, $1,000 to start and $1,000 on your anniversary. The difference is that you pay less 4.2% - 6.2% (qualified, mid-qualified, non-qualified), less if your volume is high and you get paid everyday rather than weekly.

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I would definitely not recommend this for a first timer due to additional technical shit to deal with

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Nothing difficult or technical about having your own merchant account. You get it and contact NetBilling for gateway services. No work other than picking the services you want.

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happyendingproductions

ok I need traffic....OBVIOUSLY! I know and understand that but I have to start somewhere right? I know everyone is going to come here and shit on me for trying to start out but thats fine everyone started somewhere at some point right? I don't want to discuss my niche its irrelevant for what I'm asking on here, however lets talk traffic.... some guy said $80k really dude?!?! i mean maybe but lets hear some more realistic views of generating and financing traffic...

happyendingproductions

i don't own meetkatie.com anymore i sold it. you can email me at [email protected] tho I appreciate the tips

Struggle4Bucks

Yes you need to start somewhere... so with 20k you can start somewhere. But if that 20k is all you have to put in there i can tell you right now it's allready going to end right there. Please don't consider it as taking a shit on you...

You want realistic views but i'll tell you that 80k is more realistic then 20k. I think you think to easy...

Yes... you need traffic... it takes time to build traffic. To get traffic you need content. No one will send traffic to the desert...

Let's say you start with a (20k) website and 20 scenes. 10 scenes published on the site 10 updates hold back for weekly updates. With only 1 update per week (and that's pretty low although it depends a bit on the niche if you will get away with it) you'll have updates for 10 weeks. 10 scenes is not a lot of scenes for a lot of promos. Affiliates will run out of promos very soon (so your traffic will simply die) And then they will have 1 new promo per week with 1 update per week. A lot of affiliates will not even consider promotion. And besides that there aren't that much serious affiliates left. Will visitors join a site with 10 scenes? Some will... if it's specific content.... hard to find somewhere else or else they won't.

Traffic (affiliates) and sales will not fly in simply because you're online. Do not expect your sales to be sufficient within 10 weeks to pay for content for new updates. So... You need time to build up your brand... you need more money to pay for your coming updates and further development of the site; hosting, etc... In the beginning... everyone around you (models, developer, hosting, etc) will make money except you.

Buying traffic... yeah... well... good luck with that... First of all it costs money... and second... you need to know what you're doing so you will need to spend a lot on it to learn what's working for you.

The deadliest thing for a site is running out of updates... You want to shoot hardcore... i assume b/g. Let's say $1000 per scene if you do it relatively cheap. With 1 update per week that's 52 updates a year is $52000 a year only for 1 year of updates.

I think in 2014 to start a paysite or network of paysites you need financial power. 80k is even very low then. You need to force yourself into the market... Sites, content, technical infratructure, marketing, etc... you need to grow fast. You need a lot of money.

With only 20k to spend and then waiting for revenue to pay for all costs and new updates... you will die off or grow very very very unstable and slow...

This is my humble opinion... good luck!

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happyendingproductions

I appreciate all responses man. you took your time to type it so I read it and took notes from it.

ok so if i have 10-20k of content being shot, how am i going to get my money back most efficiently? i don't have to have a "pay site" per say i just want to start somewhere which is why I'm here asking questions...

kane

This is just some food for thought.

If you are new to the biz and just getting your feet wet maybe instead of starting a paysite right out the gate you take that money and you use it to shoot content, build a traffic network and then sell your content on clip stores like clips4sale. Or perhaps just build a site where people can buy individual movies/photo sets for a one time fee.

If that starts doing pretty well for you and you continue to shoot content you can then pull in that content and couple it with your new content to build a paysite.

This might give you an idea of the draw and customer base for your niche while you don't spend 20K getting a site going and who knows how much more working on traffic only to have it perhaps not work out.

While you learn the ropes you can save yourself some cash and learn different ways to build traffic with your content.

Regardless of how you go about it, good luck on the project.

NemesisEnforcer

This is the model that we're using for a number of sites including sologirls/porn stars. In fact, I wrote a CCBill module for Magento just for this purpose.

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happyendingproductions

Perfect! Thank you both. That is the exactly what I needed to know. I appreciate the tips. Im going to update this thread as I go on with my progress and show you all where it takes me. I already have a couple scenes shot but I wanted to make sure my next shoots are in sync. Meaning they have some sort of script that they all follow. Like a series per say. I def like the idea of collecting money per vid and ill throw in pics for free with purchase maybe. Ill brainstorm more and keep gathering good info. Once again I am very thankful for your input.

Andre77

Hi guy one question how much you pay in US for one set , shot with girls ??

NaughtyRob

Andre it varies greatly depending on areas of the country, if the girl is amateur etc.

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fitzmulti

100% agree. There are so many factors in determining this, you truly can not say "a price".
Solo, BJ, GG, BG...locale, amateur, via an agent, at "your" studio, do you need to rent a location, etc...

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myleene

150-2000$. It varies greatly depending on the specs of the shoot and the girl's fame.

TrashyContent

I kind of sped read the thread... but dude if you got $20k go on a nice holiday... paysite business is fucked up... IMO

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If you have to ask these kinds of questions the chances you have of making any kind of profit on your project is basically none. It's no longer a time where any random clown with a camera can open a successful paysite.

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LOL .. and yet, you used to rant and rave that no one would tell you how to convert cams. Hilarious.

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exactly

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Paul

Don't spend a single penny until you can generate plenty of convertible traffic in your chosen niche. Pick a couple of paysites in that niche and promote them as an affiliate until you reach your goals and you understand the traffic/customer completely, once that traffic and understanding is established then you can invest that money in starting your own paysite.

This forum is riddled with threads by idiots who spent a fortune on content and developing paysites without paying any attention to the most important factor traffic.

NETbilling

Great advice, thanks for the recommendation and we are happy to help.

happyendingproductions - Please contact us for more information. We are very good at hand holding for new merchants.

Mitch

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i don’t invest on porn unless i earned the money from porn , but i have a lot to learn

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If you aren't making money pushing other people's sites, you are going to fail trying to start your own

JA$ON

2 major factors...

1 Are you shooting all exclusive content? If its a startup, you may want to shoot and mix in some purchased stuff as well to fill the site out.

2. Joins: If you plan on running an affiliate program and getting all your joins from affiliates, will you be doing only revshare? If so plan on getting far, FAR less joins than if you offer a solid PPS. If you do offer PPS, how much cash you'll need depends on how many joins a day you do. You can do the math, but plan on having a GOOD amount of cash to front load the joins before you see that site break even.

I don't want to discourage you, AT ALL. People who do only revshare generally do so because they just don't have the cash to lay out. It gets VERY expensive, very quickly. If you have access to big $ to front load the PPS sales (and you know how to mange those sales, fraud etc) obviously thats the way to grow quickly and end up making far more in the long run, but it will cost you up front.

happyendingproductions

Alright guys. I took your advice and made a clips4sale studio. I have pretty limited vids and pics right now but at least its up. All content is exclusive and shot by me. Ill be adding about 20 more shoots/girls within the next couple months. Now the big question is, what is the best way to get good traffic to my clips4sale studio? I would love to hear your tips and tricks....

check it out my studio:

http://clips4sale.com/82483

SmutHammer

Congrats on your start up, Good luck

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my advice is to check out the major tube sites and ask yourself why people would pay for your content ...

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RandyRandy

OK, I took a look at your Clips4sale store. The best way, IMO to get consistent traffic to a clips4sale store is by continual updates. The most successful stores update every day, some several times a day. You can get away with less updates if you have very unique content - stuff that isn't available in 100 other stores.

I managed to sell a lot of clips - but only when I was updating on a semi-regular basis AND using their email list of people who had bought my clips - that list is GOLD. And that was because there was only one other person in my niche - and he came out with a $25.00 video once a month. And it sold big-time - because there was no competition.

One other thing - and I'm not trying to burst your bubble. The few videos that you have up there are pretty tame for clips4sale - and also in very saturated categories. You're in categories that solo girls can shoot themselves - so what's the point? If you are going to produce porn, produce something that a solo artist can't produce themselves - that will help get you out of the over-saturated categories.

Also - stick to one "main" category and become the "expert" in that category - you have like 10 videos up in 3-4 categories. Your store has no chance of staying near the top in any of those categories - unless you have tons of clips that you update with on a daily basis.

You are on the right track - and poised to lose the least amount of money if you do the following:

1. Stay with clips4sale until you discover your best-selling niche.
2. Learn how to drive traffic to sites with similar content.

Then, and only then, should you take the plunge into paysites.

All the best and good luck!