11 years in Iraq, and in 2 weeks, nobody cares? It's Over???

[NewOldPlayer]

So that's it??? We pulled out of Iraq, and then ISIS took over, and that's that?

Nobody is talking about it, and it's not on the news anymore.... Only thing on the news is the "new distraction" of Israel and Gaza shooting a few missiles at each other. Yawn. Tell me something new. 1975 all over again.

Amazing. We spent, what, about 2 Trillion dollars on Iraq and are saddled with this HUGE fucking debt, and in a matter of 2 or 3 weeks, the entire war is old news.

Just like that. We left, ISIS took over, and well, that's the end of it.

I hope our grand kids will be happy paying it all off.

Thank you Busch and Obama. You both can kiss my tax paying ass.

Thanks for the 11 year war OVER FUCKING NOTHING. All we have to show is an overload of wounded Vets, with no decent care.

World War II lasted, about 2 years? And we were fighting over something.

If Americans ever got fucked in the ass over war, it was with Iraq, Busch and Obama.

Somebody just made a lifetime of profit over Iraq and got away with it.

NOTE to CNN: Keep reporting 24 hours a day on the fighting in Gaza and Israel, to keep our minds off the 2 trillion we spent on the war in Iraq...again....FIGHTING OVER NOTHING.

Americans = MORONS For letting our government get away with this type of political financial crime.

note: NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest, a study released on Thursday said.

ALL FOR FUCKING NOTHING. Enjoy the Gaza / Israel fighting, until we can get our nose into something else. Russia perhaps? Oh no.... Russia can fight back, and we don't want that. WE only pick on 3rd world nations that can't fight back. There's no money in REAL war. Just these fake bullshit wars. Once they got away with Vietnam, anything goes now, because Americans are stupid fucking sheep. Vietnam, Iraq, ask anybody on the street why we fought those wars, and you'll see a blank look on their faces. Even soldiers dont' know they were in Vietnam or Iraq. Oh, wait, cause they threatened American Freedom. Yes, that's it!!! Now let's blow them up!!!! Because I remember when Vietnam and Iraq INVADED AMERICA...SO WE HAD TO PUT AN END TO THEIR WAY OF LIFE!!! WOOHOOOO!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE SHEEP THAT ALL LIVE HERE.

[Klen]

Unless they take over of some new major city,there wont be any news anymore about them.

[RummyBoy]

America is fine. The American foreign policy is shite.
Sadly the government has besmirch the name of Americans everywhere.

But I can also say that about the UK government - 100%.

And sadly Iraq is a TOTAL and COMPLETE disaster.
If ISIS gets a foot hold, then Europe is finished.

[David!]

Obama's policy is a total success actually, as soon as he took power, he crafted a plan to hand Iraq to a Muslim force that will have total control, and today we see exactly that.

[pimpmaster9000]

well at least korea and vietnam and avghanistan were a complete success so I wonder how iraq did not work out

sometimes I can not decide who I find more amusing, north korea with its bullshit brainwash or the USA with its utter supidity...why the fuck americans think the world will listen to shit they say is beyond me

[klinton]

world war lasted 5,5 years, for US it was almost 4 years....

not 2 years :-)

stop whining ! most important thing is that top of US politicans, their friends in OIl companies and other contractors made good deal of money from it....

that is the democracy ;-)

[Phoenix]

So where was most of the money spent?

[RandyRandy]

I'd be really pissed off if I hadn't stopped paying the IRS taxes in 1994.

[seeandsee]

lol you got oil fields control, don't worry

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

So where was most of the money spent?

Mainly on supplies, which were in many cases not even needed, and where needed not even delivered, then there were insanely high rates for loads of third party "security services", consultancy fees, contracts for high tech equipment that couldn't even be used etc. etc.

This may account for a basically unprecedented financial crime, comparable only with the unregulated banking spree preceding the financial meltdown in 2007.

Especially considering that - it was calculated that even with exclusive rights to all the Iraqi oil it would take approximately 70 years to make te money back (and this doesn't count in the indirect future costs such as veteran's welfare), but that would of course also require plenty of American expats on site (basically a new age collonization).

This is a decent book related to the topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thr...ion_Dollar_War

I bought it a couple years ago, started to read, but never finished it, yet.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

So where was most of the money spent?

[trevesty]

Quite a few foreign policy experts predicted & warned the Bush administration that this would happen during the Iraq war, but neo-con policies don't really have a lot of foresight or brains to them.

Iraq's been a disaster since 2003, so I wouldn't really say it's "news". ISIS may take over, who knows, but that's what happens when you take a secular person with too much balls out of power in an extremely polarized region.

[_Richard_]

who paid and armed them?

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by NewOldPlayer

We spent, what, about 2 Trillion dollars on Iraq

You know where those Money went? I would guess 90-95% went from the taxpayers, to the military-industrial kompleks.

[Rochard]

What happened in Iraq is very, very disappointing.

The war didn't last "five or ten years". The war was over in a matter of months. A war is fought between the governments of two countries and their military forces. The Iraqi military was quickly defeated, and Saddam and his government was removed from power. Saddam himself went into hiding until he was caught.

Instead what we had was a military occupation while we tried to help them rebuild while terrorists did their best to stop any progress. At some point in time we expected the Iraqi people and the Iraqi government to step up and take over. This has not happened.

After ten years plus of this, it's time for us to move on.

We had good intentions, we lost thousands of lives, and spent billions of dollars... The Iraqi people failed themselves, and it's time for us to walk away. We've done more harm than good.

[CAHEK]

Iraq is done

Russia is next

[klinton]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

Iraq is done

Russia is next

not possible, never ;-)

what for btw. ? with military force ? craziness& not possible..unless you talk about some economic wars etc

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by klinton

not possible, never ;-)

what for btw. ? with military force ? craziness& not possible..unless you talk about some economic wars etc

new 100bln dollar bank probably isn't in dollars.. and the craziness most likely will involve china

[RummyBoy]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

Russia is next

How? You think there will be revolution there?
I doubt Russia will be attacked.

Next is basically that if ISIS gets a foothold in Iraq, the whole region flares up and after some time my guess that France, Italy, Spain etc invaded but it wont happen overnight. The bold, audacious strategy (if it works) will just fuel a wider war.

[Robbie]

I guess it's not surprising.

I know that if a foreign country invaded us here in the USA and put some kind of different govt. that we weren't used to, and a different culture...then the minute we could, we would overthrow that shit and go back to our old ways.

And that's kinda what's happening there.

We should have NEVER invaded another country that didn't attack us first. And once we did...we should have NEVER stayed there.

I guess hindsight is 20/20 though.

[CDSmith]

Hardly forgotten. There were after all about three dozen movies made about it.

That's something.

[baggg]

Well you also pay for the israeli wargames with your tax money,so basically it is still on TV..

You just paid $1 billion last week to fund iron drome

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...-u-dot-s-dot-a

[baggg]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

who paid and armed them?

Watch from 5:25

[_Richard_]

from chile

been said a few times the western fanatics 'are the worst'

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Especially considering that - it was calculated that even with exclusive rights to all the Iraqi oil it would take approximately 70 years to make te money back (and this doesn't count in the indirect future costs such as veteran's welfare), but that would of course also require plenty of American expats on site (basically a new age collonization).

What is the yearly revenue derived from Iraq's oil?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I guess it's not surprising.

I know that if a foreign country invaded us here in the USA and put some kind of different govt. that we weren't used to, and a different culture...then the minute we could, we would overthrow that shit and go back to our old ways.

And that's kinda what's happening there.

We should have NEVER invaded another country that didn't attack us first. And once we did...we should have NEVER stayed there.

I guess hindsight is 20/20 though.

I think there is a lot of truth in this....

While we believe Saddam's government was corrupt and horrible - and they were - perhaps it was what they needed. Here in the US (and hopefully most of the Western world) we don't walk into a shop and say "Oh, the shop owner is Muslim/black/Asian/Polish/Jewish so I cannot shop here". We just don't care. This is not the case in other parts of the world, and our culture doesn't fit in.

[Lykos]

Originally Posted by klinton

world war lasted 5,5 years, for US it was almost 4 years....

not 2 years :-)

stop whining ! most important thing is that top of US politicans, their friends in OIl companies and other contractors made good deal of money from it....

that is the democracy ;-)

So nicely said and very true

[Seth Manson]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

well at least korea and vietnam and avghanistan were a complete success so I wonder how iraq did not work out

sometimes I can not decide who I find more amusing, north korea with its bullshit brainwash or the USA with its utter supidity...why the fuck americans think the world will listen to shit they say is beyond me

How well did Bosnia work out for you fucking Serbs?

[TCLGirls]

"...because I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators."

[SilentKnight]

[MaDalton]

the list of countries that got liberated in the name of freedom and democracy and got turned into violent shitholes instead is quite impressive by now...

[DTK]

Iraq was going to fall apart within a couple years of the occupation ending. Sensible foreign policy analysts said so pre-invasion. Iraq is/was a phony-baloney country forcibly put together in the first place.

[Mutt]

I was for the war but even I, without being an expert on the Middle East, knew that once there the US military would have to be there for decades.

An absolute waste of lives and money.

I've learned my lesson, like the Crusaders, the French, the British - the Middle East is a snakepit you want no part of. And I don't want any part of them in the West, keep them the hell out of Europe and North America.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

the list of countries that got liberated in the name of freedom and democracy and got turned into violent shitholes instead is quite impressive by now...

Totally agree. I have NO idea why the federal govt. of the United States thinks it can go around the world and force people to live just like we do.

It's embarrassing and it's cost a lot of people their lives worldwide.

[klinton]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Totally agree. I have NO idea why the federal govt. of the United States thinks it can go around the world and force people to live just like we do.

It's embarrassing and it's cost a lot of people their lives worldwide.

it is really easy why. to open their markets for US economy and also to "fuel" US economy (well, mostly friends of friends) with orders from military industrial complex - always needed in wars ;]

[Kolargol]

Originally Posted by CAHEK

Iraq is done

Russia is next

Not everything revolves around your country.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by Mutt

What is the yearly revenue derived from Iraq's oil?

That's a tricky question, the government allegedly made $ 80 billion on crude oil exports in 2011, but this is just the money that make the state existing and functional.

What sort of deal they have with the big oil companies, what are the profit margins the corps may do, including the costs of extraction, transport, refining crude oil etc. no insider in this - plus the price of oil is highly fluctuable.

US should currently account for approx. 20 pct. of foreign big oil contractors according to the public data.

Perhaps somebody has a decent information source to cite.

[DWB]

How many were killed on both sides, and for what exactly?

Doesn't matter, onto the next war! I mean... liberation. Errr, I mean... military advisor deployment.

[bigluv]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I think there is a lot of truth in this....

While we believe Saddam's government was corrupt and horrible - and they were - perhaps it was what they needed. Here in the US (and hopefully most of the Western world) we don't walk into a shop and say "Oh, the shop owner is Muslim/black/Asian/Polish/Jewish so I cannot shop here". We just don't care. This is not the case in other parts of the world, and our culture doesn't fit in.

Well actually, yeah, this does happen. It's just the other way around. Hobby Lobby for one.

[_Richard_]

oh, neredeyse..

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by bigluv

Well actually, yeah, this does happen. It's just the other way around. Hobby Lobby for one.

Huh? Hobby Lobby discriminates against people? WTF? lol

[keysync]

Originally Posted by Mutt

I was for the war but even I, without being an expert on the Middle East, knew that once there the US military would have to be there for decades.

An absolute waste of lives and money.

I've learned my lesson, like the Crusaders, the French, the British - the Middle East is a snakepit you want no part of. And I don't want any part of them in the West, keep them the hell out of Europe and North America.

Too late. They're already here....