News Ukrainian soldiers cross border into Russia

[brassmonkey]

MOSCOW (AP) ? A Russian border security official said more than 400 Ukrainian soldiers crossed into Russia, according to a report from the Interfax news agency. It wasn't immediately clear why the soldiers entered Russia, with both sides giving conflicting accounts.

The Russian official said the soldiers deserted the Kiev government and the Russian side opened a safe corridor, while a Ukrainian military official said the soldiers, without giving a number, were forced into Russian territory by rebel fire after running out of ammunition.

Vasily Malayev, head of the Federal Security Service's border patrol in the Rostov region, told Interfax that 438 Ukrainian soldiers had reached Russia on Monday. He said the Russian side had allowed the soldiers to safely enter the country.

Russia's Defense Ministry couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

The Ukrainian military confirmed that part of a brigade had most likely crossed into Russian territory, although it disputed Russia's version of events and wouldn't say how many soldiers went over.

A spokesman for the Ukrainian military operation in the east, Oleksiy Dmitrashkovsky, said troops from the army's 72nd brigade were penned into their position and came under a sustained barrage of fire from separatist forces. Rebel fighters used tanks, mortars, artillery and Grad missile launchers over four hours, Dmitrashkovsky said, and eventually the brigade was forced to divide up into two sections.

"One was meant to break out and join forces with a support unit. The other unit had the task of providing fire cover," Dmitrashkovsky said. "In doing that they fired their weapons until no ammunition remained, after which they abandoned their position and reached a place near a border crossing on Russian territory."

Dmitrashkovsky said it was too early to confirm how many soldiers had crossed into Russia.

"We do not have such information. The Russians are capable of claiming anything they want," he said.

Earlier Monday, Interfax reported that Russia's air force began military drills in central and western regions of the country, a move that could spark further fears that Moscow is ready to flex its military muscle in Ukraine.

The drills will start Monday and last through Friday, air force chief Igor Klimov was reported as saying, and will involve more than 100 fighter jets and helicopters.

Pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine have been battling the Kiev government since April, a conflict that has claimed at least 1,129 civilian casualties, according to a U.N. estimate. Ukraine and Western countries have accused Russia of providing the rebels with equipment and expertise, a claim that the Russian government has repeatedly denied

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[Barry-xlovecam]

Sounds to me more like the Russian supported separatists just backed their benefactor into a very strange incident/predicament. Military units rarely defect in these numbers -- that explanation lacks credibility.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Sounds to me more like the Russian supported separatists just backed their benefactor into a very strange incident/predicament. Military units rarely defect in these numbers -- that explanation lacks credibility.

they could have killed them.

[ZiggiZiggiCrew]

[Rochard]

Sounds like a lot of confusion to me. Earlier this morning I read an article saying a rebel group involved in combat was split in two, one half ran out of ammo, and fled into Russia.

[Rochard]

Couldn't find that same article now...

[sandman!]

who cares ?

let them fight it out.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Sounds like a lot of confusion to me. Earlier this morning I read an article saying a rebel group involved in combat was split in two, one half ran out of ammo, and fled into Russia.

that story was wrong look at the uniform flag

[femdomdestiny]

Of course they went there. They are not idiots to kill own people for US goals. And this is not first time,or last one,just watch it. Let nazis fight if they want.

Can I paste link with notice about explicit content? Is that against rules?

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Of course they went there. They are not idiots to kill own people for US goals. And this is not first time,or last one,just watch it. Let nazis fight if they want.

Can I paste link with notice about explicit content? Is that against rules?

please dont

[aka123]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

Of course they went there. They are not idiots to kill own people for US goals. And this is not first time,or last one,just watch it. Let nazis fight if they want.

So, "not joining into Russia" is just US goals?

Whose goals were in question in Russia when Russians killed other Russians in Chechnya? US again?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

Ukrainian soldiers cross border into Russia

Hope they will finally find some food there and will be fed

[Mr. Garibaldi]

hopefully Russia wont get sanctioned for letting those soldiers into their territory

you never fucking know these days....

[Barry-xlovecam]

I don't see any Russian soldiers in those pictures just a small number of Ukrainian soldiers ... While individual desertions by soldiers are not that rare a unit of over 300 men deserting is very rare. Notwithstanding the Iraqi army ...

Don't you think there would be buddy buddy propoganda pictures taken with the Ukrainian soldiers new found friends?

On the other hand ...



This is a Ukraine TV new broadcast?

[crockett]

They have Russian passports so it's all good. That's what we keep hearing over and over about Russians in Ukraine.. Guess it works both ways..

[aka123]

Originally Posted by crockett

They have Russian passports so it's all good. That's what we keep hearing over and over about Russians in Ukraine.. Guess it works both ways..

Having some passport doesn't usually permit military actions to be performed, or to carry gun altogether.

I don't know about these passports in this case, but Putin gives those like candy. If he would like to attack USA, he would give some US hobos a Russian passport, then declare that Russian citizens are in distress, and there you go.

[Barry-xlovecam]

[P]ro-Russian separatists opened fire on unarmed Ukrainian soldiers on Tuesday as they crossed back into Ukraine from Russia, where they had taken shelter from fighting, Kiev defence officials said.

Ukraine acknowledged on Monday that 311 soldiers and border guards had been forced by fighting with separatists to cross into Russia. It said they had destroyed their weapons before crossing the border, but the rebels said they had left them behind, enabling separatists to seize them. ...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle19911301/

This whole affair keeps getting weirder.

[wehateporn]

Kiev ‘gave up on us’: Ukrainian commander tells why 400 troops escaped into Russia

http://rt.com/news/177956-kiev-aband...nian-soldiers/

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Kiev ‘gave up on us’: Ukrainian commander tells why 400 troops escaped into Russia

http://rt.com/news/177956-kiev-aband...nian-soldiers/

Well, the actual reason was that they were encircled for weeks. Not the nicest thing to cut off communications, but it is question mark that what Ukraine leadership could have done about the situation. The war hasn't gone too well so far.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Kiev ‘gave up on us’: Ukrainian commander tells why 400 troops escaped into Russia

http://rt.com/news/177956-kiev-aband...nian-soldiers/

I can't blame them for a betrayal. The poor men just want to eat.

[brassmonkey]

this is really getting weird

[aka123]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

this is really getting weird

What is the weird part? They ran out of ammo, fuel and food, so they did the closest thing to surrender. Kind a proxy surrender.

[just a punk]

UNHCR says about 730 thousand have left Ukraine for Russia due to conflict

(Reuters) - About 730,000 Ukrainians have left the country for Russia this year due to the fighting in eastern Ukraine, the European head of the United Nations agency for refugees said on Tuesday, pointing to a far bigger exodus than previously thought.

The figure strips out seasonal data and numbers for people who would normally have crossed the border for trade or tourism purposes, UNHCR's European director Vincent Cochetel told a news briefing.

"The 730,000, it's the 'plus' compared to other years," he said. "They are not tourists. We've seen them at the border, just like in any other conflict. They walk, sometimes they just walk across the border, they come with plastic bags. Many of them are really destitute."

A further 117,000 people are displaced inside Ukraine, a number that is growing by about 1,200 per day, he said.

Russia's Migration Service has said it has this year received applications from some 168,000 people who had fled Ukraine. Cochetel said the 730,000 figure included those people who had asked Russia for protection.

Pro-Russian separatists opened fire on unarmed Ukrainian soldiers on Tuesday as they crossed back into Ukraine from Russia where they had taken shelter from fighting, Kiev defence officials said.

(Reporting by Tom Miles, editing by John Stonestreet)

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by aka123

So, "not joining into Russia" is just US goals?

Whose goals were in question in Russia when Russians killed other Russians in Chechnya? US again?

I will answer any of your questions once you manage to answer dozen I've gave you before, but you ignored them. Until that moment, I am not considering you equal interlocutor.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

I will answer any of your questions once you manage to answer dozen I've gave you before, but you ignored them. Until that moment, I am not considering you equal interlocutor.

First of all, I did answer to those questions, or at least to most of these. And many were not even answerable, like: "With nukes you can nuke better." (not literal translation). Well, obviously, if you want to nuke, you need nukes.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by aka123

What is the weird part? They ran out of ammo, fuel and food, so they did the closest thing to surrender. Kind a proxy surrender.

they ran out of ammo, telling the news they dont have toiletries, they dont want to go back, they didnt feel safe enough to sleep, etc.....

[femdomdestiny]

No, you didn't and you were not even aware of basic historical facts. When presented and documented to you (as answer to your version) , you just remained silent , even without saying something like " sorry, I didn't knew this" or something like that.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

No, you didn't and you were not even aware of basic historical facts. When presented and documented to you (as answer to your version) , you just remained silent , even without saying something like " sorry, I didn't knew this" or something like that.

Like your historical fact that nobody has attacked into country that has nukes. What I should answer to that, it wasn't even guestion? And it isn't even correct, as for example India and Pakistan have done war and both sides have nukes. And if you belive Russians, Georgia did attack against Russian troops, and Russia has nukes as far as I know. Also Bin Laden/ talebans did attack against USA. Vietnamese did attack against French troops (although not in France). And USA had something going on in Vietnam as well as in Korea.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by aka123

Like your historical fact that nobody has attacked into country that has nukes. What I should answer to that, it wasn't even guestion? And it isn't even correct, as for example India and Pakistan have done war and both sides have nukes. And if you belive Russians, Georgia did attack against Russian troops, and Russia has nukes as far as I know. Also Bin Laden/ talebans did attack against USA. Vietnamese did attack against French troops (although not in French). And USA had something going on in Vietnam as well as in Korea.

1. give me list of countries with nukes that were tried to be conquered?

2. How German was in jeopardy in 1999 so they had to protect Germany and attack country almost 1k km away?

3. Show me photos or videos of deaths, extreme violence or destruction in Crimea "war"?


4. Germany first attacked Poland while you were using fact that Russia attacked them as proof of Russian threat.

5. You said Cuban Missle crysis was not military operation even if I showed you that US military put blocade to Russian and Russian military was trying to sneak nukes.

6. You failed to answer my question " where I said that Germany don't have right to defent itself" ?

7. Answer a question " How many NATO bases are worldwide and how many Russian?

8. You said that Russia didn't oppose attack on Yugoslavia (against UN rules) but I 've gave you their official statement condemning that "illegal action" and called it "open aggression" (read about Slatine airfield landing by Russian paratropers)

there are more..but don't bother if you are doing it for me, I've got clear picture of your level of education on this and similar matters.

[just a punk]

femdomdestiny, that's just an ass-clown registered here in 2014... Man, why don't you just ignore a stinking bug?

[femdomdestiny]

Thank you, you are in right . Those are just copy paste to some of questions he was not able to answer. I won't bother with him anymore.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

1. give me list of countries with nukes that were tried to be conquered?

Israel. I don't have time to get into that another shit again.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

femdomdestiny, that's just an ass-clown registered here in 2014... Man, why don't you just ignore a stinking bug?

He posted more than 500 messages in 1 month ...

[aka123]

Originally Posted by pornmasta

He posted more than 500 messages in 1 month ...

Does this pose some sort of a problem?