Anyone who thinks the US isn't a police state. . .

[RandyRandy]

has their head up their asses. Local police forces have morphed into militarized units, with both weaponry and military training. The emphasis is no longer "Protect & Serve" but rather, "Defeating the Enemy".

Keep ignoring this until they're banging at your door.

[dyna mo]

you should prolly gain an understanding of what a police state actually is before you go telling others their head is up their ass.

What's truly fucking head up your ass is you posting 40 fukcing minute long retarded anti-american videos while you are supposedly living the live in fucking malaysia.

certainly you have something better to do with your life than become a half-assed ex-patriot that sits around and points his finger at others while claiming how much better your fucking life is now.

[candyflip]

Good thing my girl is a cop.

[CDSmith]

Yes, whatever happened to the good ol days when cops carried nothing but revolvers and police battons, maybe a shotgun in the trunk? Oh wait, nowadays the crooks are all armed with uzi's, AK-47's and RPG's.

Perhaps it makes sense to better train and arm 'local police forces'?


Btw I'm not seeing the connection between the vid you posted and what you said. Vid is all about Isreal and the plight of the Jews & Palesinians, but your comment is on the US 'police state'.

Please elaborate.

[atom]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Good thing my girl is a cop.

Do you ever get cuffed

[brassmonkey]

im not saying whats out there but they can be handled

[aka123]

I don't think that heavier weaponry qualifies for being "police state". It means all-around rigid control.

If I would be American, I would be more concerned about the dual party system, since that is one party away from one party system (like in Nazi-Germany, Soviet Union and China). Although by international standards and according to studies, USA is not even now considered to be the most democratic countries.


"The US is an oligarchy, study concludes
Report by researchers from Princeton and Northwestern universities suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...concludes.html

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you should prolly gain an understanding of what a police state actually is before you go telling others their head is up their ass.

What's truly fucking head up your ass is you posting 40 fukcing minute long retarded anti-american videos while you are supposedly living the live in fucking malaysia.

certainly you have something better to do with your life than become a half-assed ex-patriot that sits around and points his finger at others while claiming how much better your fucking life is now.

Cops have more rights than you do even though you are supposed to be protected against them by the Constitution. This is ok with you?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you should prolly gain an understanding of what a police state actually is before you go telling others their head is up their ass.

What's truly fucking head up your ass is you posting 40 fukcing minute long retarded anti-american videos while you are supposedly living the live in fucking malaysia.

certainly you have something better to do with your life than become a half-assed ex-patriot that sits around and points his finger at others while claiming how much better your fucking life is now.

doesn't malaysia have the death penalty for measly possession charges out there? wouldn't effect me at all but thats down right medieval.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Cops have more rights than you do even though you are supposed to be protected against them by the Constitution. This is ok with you?

I'm not in a spot to debate constitutional law with you this morning, I'm about to put on my wetsuit and catch this morning's tasty waves after smoking some legal buds and saying wtfever I want on the internet and here on the beach.

but your statement is not only incorrect, it has nothing to do with the OP.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

doesn't malaysia have the death penalty for measly possession charges out there? wouldn't effect me at all but thats down right medieval.

yes.

In fact, here are just a few of the many articles on the current Malaysian police state:

When will we stop being a police state?
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/s...ama-ramanathan


Malaysia: End Police Abuses
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/04/01/m...-police-abuses


MALAYSIA: A Quasi Police State
http://dinmerican.wordpress.com/2013...-police-state/

[gnawledge]

Cry babies crying about police always. Boo how

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

doesn't malaysia have the death penalty for measly possession charges out there? wouldn't effect me at all but thats down right medieval.

maybe because there are many things that junky can do.

[RummyBoy]

Sure, the USA is far from being a free country these days.......... same for the UK. However, I doubt you'd swap the stars and stripes for the black flag of Islam and not just because the existing flag is a lot more colorful!

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by atom

Do you ever get cuffed

Yes, I have.

She does so much at work, when the cuffs come out for fun...I get to put them to use.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

maybe because there are many things that junky can do.

...what?

[MrBottomTooth]

I dont know if id call it a police state yet but I did see a disturbing article last week about police enforced curfews in Oklahoma. All kids under a certain age had to be in their homes at 9 pm. Then there was some later time limits as age increased. All under the guise of protecting the children. The article left a bad taste in my mouth anyway. Seems fucked up for police to be telling private citizens when they can and cant leave their homes.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by RummyBoy

Sure, the USA is far from being a free country these days.......... same for the UK. However, I doubt you'd swap the stars and stripes for the black flag of Islam and not just because the existing flag is a lot more colorful!

Are these the only alternatives?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by aka123

If I would be American, I would be more concerned about the dual party system,

You should be concerned with your lack of knowledge. We have at least a dozen different political parties.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

I dont know if id call it a police state yet but I did see a disturbing article last week about police enforced curfews in Oklahoma. All kids under a certain age had to be in their homes at 9 pm. Then there was some later time limits as age increased. All under the guise of protecting the children. The article left a bad taste in my mouth anyway. Seems fucked up for police to be telling private citizens when they can and cant leave their homes.

There have always been curfews for minors.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by baddog

You should be concerned with your lack of knowledge. We have at least a dozen different political parties.

Maybe you should read what the dual party system means. And what kind of system you have in your own country.

"A two-party system is a system where two major political parties dominate politics within a government. One of the two parties typically holds a majority in the legislature and is usually referred to as the majority party while the other is the minority party. The term has different senses. For example, in the United States, Jamaica, and Malta, the sense of two party system describes an arrangement in which all or nearly all elected officials only belong to one of the two major parties, and third parties rarely win any seats in the legislature. In such arrangements, two-party systems are thought to result from various factors like winner takes all election rules."

"There is strong agreement that the United States has a two-party system; historically, there have been few instances in which third party candidates won an election."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party_system

[RandyRandy]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you should prolly gain an understanding of what a police state actually is before you go telling others their head is up their ass.

What's truly fucking head up your ass is you posting 40 fukcing minute long retarded anti-american videos while you are supposedly living the live in fucking malaysia.

certainly you have something better to do with your life than become a half-assed ex-patriot that sits around and points his finger at others while claiming how much better your fucking life is now.

The video wasn't anti-American. I received it in a FaceBook post and watched it on my flight to Bangkok last week - where I didn't have anything better to do at 35,000 feet for 2 hours - and I created this thread a week later after surfing the web this evening while waiting for my staff to close up shop and reading about the violence in Ferguson, MO.

The video explained at the end the militarization of local US police forces by means of training with the Israeli army. Just because I disagree with certain policies of the US government does not make me Anti-American. And I'm not a half-assed ex-pat. I'm a full-assed expat for the time being. I go 100% in anything I do.

I hope the waves were as good as your buds.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Btw I'm not seeing the connection between the vid you posted and what you said. Vid is all about Isreal and the plight of the Jews & Palesinians, but your comment is on the US 'police state'.

Please elaborate.

The first 35 minutes were about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The last five minutes was on point with my contention that local US police forces are being militarized.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

doesn't malaysia have the death penalty for measly possession charges out there? wouldn't effect me at all but thats down right medieval.

Malaysia has a lot of fucked up laws, IMO. Many of their government policies are downright racist against anyone who isn't Malay (as opposed to citizens that are Chinese-Malaysians or Indian Malaysians). But they are what they are. They come out and say: yes, we discriminate against you because you aren't Muslim. You do not have freedom of speech. You will receive the death penalty for possession for more than one ounce of weed. My point is I have respect for a government that isn't afraid to be politically incorrect. I'll take that over a government that reeks of hypocrisy like the US. In the end, they're both the same. It's just one is more up front about it than the other.

Originally Posted by aka123

Are these the only alternatives?

Precisely. I take cold comfort in any situation where one says - well, at least we're better than an Islamic state. How about comparing the US to the MANY countries that have better health-care, GNP, pensions, vacations, affordable higher education. For me the yardstick is measured against the best, not the worst.

[MiamiBoyz]

Our society has most certainly morphed into a police state as rights have been slowly stripped away with illegal "laws" like the Patriot act and countless others. Free speech is being violated, freedom of assembly is being violated, most of the pigs have no idea what the constitution even is much less what it says!

These mindless drones run about like robocop only less brains just waiting to abuse someone. Talk about low self-esteem...these psychos have no self-esteem and are pretty much incapable to individual thought at all!

They need to carry a gun to make up for the lack of control they feel in the world. Most have savior complexes and are nothing more than scared children trying to control the big bad world that they fear.



Yes, America is well on its way to being a full blown police state!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

...what?

malaysia have the death penalty for measly possession charges out there?

they dont want future issues of drug use most people in prison = drugs or drinking or both in the usa

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by aka123

I don't think that heavier weaponry qualifies for being "police state". It means all-around rigid control.

If I would be American, I would be more concerned about the dual party system, since that is one party away from one party system (like in Nazi-Germany, Soviet Union and China). Although by international standards and according to studies, USA is not even now considered to be the most democratic countries.


"The US is an oligarchy, study concludes
Report by researchers from Princeton and Northwestern universities suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...concludes.html

A two party system where both parties have the same politics is really a one party dictatorship. Pepsi or Coke

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by baddog

There have always been curfews for minors.

Well I was not aware, we don't have them in Canada. This was the article I was talking about. It was Baltimore, not Oklahoma, not sure where I got that from.

http://thesource.com/2014/08/09/cont...-in-baltimore/

Seems excessive to me.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Well I was not aware, we don't have them in Canada. This was the article I was talking about. It was Baltimore, not Oklahoma, not sure where I got that from.

http://thesource.com/2014/08/09/cont...-in-baltimore/

Seems excessive to me.

The only thing that is excessive is the photo they used to make you think the cops are going to spend their nights hunting kids. It just gives them probable cause, that is how it will really be used. I am sure Baltimore cops have better things to do than enforce curfew laws.

[MrBottomTooth]

So basically it sounds like they're just putting a law in place that makes it legal for them to harass kids on the street when normally they would have no reason to bother them.

"Hey kids, it's 9:15 PM. You're not supposed to be out here. Now spread your legs while I search your pockets."

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

So basically it sounds like they're just putting a law in place that makes it legal for them to harass kids on the street when normally they would have no reason to bother them.

"Hey kids, it's 9:15 PM. You're not supposed to be out here. Now spread your legs while I search your pockets."

There are plenty of valid reasons to provide rules for kids, not the least of which is their own safety. Statistics show kids harm themselves and get harmed more after dark than before. Just like it's against the law for 16-18 year old kids to drive with more than ~2 people in the car, stats show they are exponentially more likely to harm themselves and others when they are driving with more than 2 in the car, consequently, for the better of everyone, they can't do that.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There are plenty of valid reasons to provide rules for kids, not the least of which is their own safety.

And not just for the kids. I am sure that for you too it would be much safer if you don't be out after dark.

By the way, usually parents are the ones to set the rules. Some driving example wont quite apply for restricting general movement and being.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

There are plenty of valid reasons to provide rules for kids, not the least of which is their own safety. Statistics show kids harm themselves and get harmed more after dark than before. Just like it's against the law for 16-18 year old kids to drive with more than ~2 people in the car, stats show they are exponentially more likely to harm themselves and others when they are driving with more than 2 in the car, consequently, for the better of everyone, they can't do that.

Well where do you draw the line? How many more laws do we need? Why don't they just make it so everyone has to stay at home in a padded room when they are not at work or school?

Personally I think they crossed the point of no return when they started making kids wear those gay helmets when riding bikes that offer almost no protection and saddled them with a $100+ fine if they got caught without them.

I am not just talking about the US here. Every year we are saddled with stricter and more insane, pointless laws in Canada as well and I am sick of them.

The last thing we need is more laws in place to protect us from ourselves. Especially when you can get up to a $500 fine for your kid being out past 9 PM. Just my opinion.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

And not just for the kids. I am sure that for you too it would be much safer if you don't be out after dark.

By the way, usually parents are the ones to set the rules. Some driving example wont quite apply for restricting general movement and being.

if parents parented, then of course we wouldn't need to govern their children. But the fact is many parents don't parent.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Well where do you draw the line? How many more laws do we need? Why don't they just make it so everyone has to stay at home in a padded room when they are not at work or school?

Personally I think they crossed the line of no return when they started making kids wear those gay helmets when riding bikes that offer almost no protection and saddled them with a $100+ fine if they got caught without them.

The last thing we need is more laws in place to protect us from ourselves. Especially when you can get up to a $500 fine for your kid being out past 9 PM. Just my opinion.

Drawing the line here is a rhetorical question, how would I know what sort of shit pops up that needs to be governed in the future? I can tell you this, this country is safer for many people due to laws such as not letting kids drive with 2+ kids in the car. same with curfews, in whatever limited application they are. I'm not sure why anyone thinks kids/children SHOULD have free reign, you know, just because more laws suck.

It's weird to me that people don't get what baddog already brought up, there have been curfew laws on the books for decades and decades. the reasons for them are more valid now than ever. we have 350 million people living here, let's just let everyone, including drivers in training drive on either side of the road they feel like at any fucking speed they want.

[DWB]

We've been living under martial law here for a couple of months. The first two weeks or so was tough with a mandatory curfew and HEAVY armed military on the streets everywhere, but it's pretty relaxed now. Minus the military check points and early bar closings, it's life as normal.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

if parents parented, then of course we wouldn't need to govern their children. But the fact is many parents don't parent.

What about the famous "American freedom"? You can teach to kids all kinds of stuff about Adam and Eva and how masturbation is mortal sin, feed them just pizza, etc. (and make them fat), but kids cannot stay out after 9?

Kinda hippocratic if you ask me. For example making kid fat shortens his lifespan with years to tens of years, often cripples him and makes sick as hell. But no, it's dangerous to be out after 9.

[baddog]

Apparently it is by city in the State of Maryland; so guess it goes by state overall.

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

So basically it sounds like they're just putting a law in place that makes it legal for them to harass kids on the street when normally they would have no reason to bother them.

"Hey kids, it's 9:15 PM. You're not supposed to be out here. Now spread your legs while I search your pockets."

If you want to twist it like that, go ahead. Like I said, I doubt the cops in Baltimore are that bored to just harass innocent children.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I'm not sure why anyone thinks kids/children SHOULD have free reign, you know, just because more laws suck.

No one said kids should have free reign. But making it illegal for them to be out past 9 PM is excessive. We seem to get by here without rounding up our kids after 9 and taking them to Youth Connection centers.

The whole idea of it being illegal to be off your property after a certain time is absurd to me. What's next on the slippery slope, mandatory electronic ankle bracelets for kids?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

What about the famous "American freedom"? You can teach to kids all kinds of stuff about Adam and Eva and how masturbation is mortal sin, feed them just pizza, etc. (and make them fat), but kids cannot stay out after 9?

Kinda hippocratic if you ask me.

It's not like kids can't be out after 9 at all, ever and for all kids. Fact is, there are very limited areas and events where and when a curfew is in place.

I've no problem agreeing we're a nation of hippocrates. We've always have been, but we didn't invent it, it's not exclusive to USA and we're probably not the best at it either.

nevertheless, freedom here isn't some hard and fast definition. It means there is opportunity here to try to strike out in a direction of your choosing.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

No one said kids should have free reign. But making it illegal for them to be out past 9 PM is excessive. We seem to get by here without rounding up our kids after 9 and taking them to Youth Connection centers.

The whole idea of it being illegal to be off your property after a certain time is absurd to me. What's next on the slippery slope, mandatory electronic ankle bracelets for kids?

like the other poster, you are taking this to the extreme. I can tell you there was no curfew around here last nite.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

No one said kids should have free reign. But making it illegal for them to be out past 9 PM is excessive. We seem to get by here without rounding up our kids after 9 and taking them to Youth Connection centers.

The whole idea of it being illegal to be off your property after a certain time is absurd to me. What's next on the slippery slope, mandatory electronic ankle bracelets for kids?

Which would you rather have, more children in jail or curfew laws?

A 2011 UC-Berkeley study looked at the 54 larger U.S. cities that enacted youth curfews between 1985 and 2002

Key study findings include: Arrests of youths directly impacted by curfew restrictions drop by almost 15% in the first year and approximately 10% in following years. ?In the average city, a permanent 10% reduction corresponds to roughly 135 [fewer] youth arrests per year.?

Arrests of young adults in their late teens or early twenties not directly impacted by curfew restrictions also slightly decline. Possible reasons include fewer cross-age interactions and additional all-ages social programming that might accompany curfew implementation.

A curfew?s impact is not dependent on the number of police officers enforcing it. Parents appear to be the primary curfew enforcers, and that ?municipal curfews act as focal point in the establishment of household policies.?

http://journalistsresource.org/studi...-laws-arrests/

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

It's not like kids can't be out after 9 at all, ever and for all kids. Fact is, there are very limited areas and events where and when a curfew is in place.

I've no problem agreeing we're a nation of hippocrates. We've always have been, but we didn't invent it, it's not exclusive to USA and we're probably not the best at it either.

nevertheless, freedom here isn't some hard and fast definition. It means there is opportunity here to try to strike out in a direction of your choosing.

So what limited areas and events are forbidden for kids after 9?

I have always thought that American freedom is supposed to be actual freedom. I mean supposed, not in practical level. What you described is quite lame. Even Somalia has that kind of freedom: watching porn and football is sin, but you can rob ships if you just pay some share to the warlords.

[MrBottomTooth]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Which would you rather have, more children in jail or curfew laws?



http://journalistsresource.org/studi...-laws-arrests/

Honestly I'd take anything before curfew laws. It's just not something I agree with.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by aka123

So what limited areas and events are forbidden for kids after 9?

I have always thought that American freedom is supposed to be actual freedom. I mean supposed, not in practical level. What you described is quite lame. Even Somalia has that kind of freedom: watching porn and football is sin, but you can rob ships if you just pay some share to the warlords.

what do you mean actual freedom? We live in a society with rules. You know that right? We might as well stop here if we need to establish the reasonS for rules and laws in a land of 350 million fucking people. I don't know about you but I'm glad there are laws that keep people from freely taking a shit on my front porch, you know, because that's real freedom.

I have no idea what you are trying to compare bw USA and Somalia. football, porn and robbing ships? WTF.

What I described is quite lame? Again, what do you mean? What country are you living in/from?

[aka123]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Honestly I'd take anything before curfew laws. It's just not something I agree with.

I associate curfews with Nazi-Germany and similar countries. It's really extreme to suppress peoples freedom like that.

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

I'm not in a spot to debate constitutional law with you this morning, I'm about to put on my wetsuit and catch this morning's tasty waves after smoking some legal buds and saying wtfever I want on the internet and here on the beach.

but your statement is not only incorrect, it has nothing to do with the OP.

Yes, they allow you to smoke those "legal buds" now...wasn't always like that was it and the federal government still doesn't agree...anyway go play in the water while you are allowed to do that.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

what do you mean actual freedom? We live in a society with rules. You know that right? We might as well stop here if we need to establish the reasonS for rules and laws in a land of 350 million fucking people. I don't know about you but I'm glad there are laws that keep people from freely taking a shit on my front porch, you know, because that's real freedom.

I have no idea what you are trying to compare bw USA and Somalia. football, porn and robbing ships? WTF.

What I described is quite lame? Again, what do you mean? What country are you living in/from?

With actual freedom I mean actual freedom, I thought that America has idea (ideology) about that. And yes, you need reasons for every rule and law, they must be justified.

Why shouldn't I compare USA and Somalia? Both are countries, and both have rules. I am living in EU area, you don't need to know more exactly, although not a big secret, and I have revealed that already (accidentally). And that squirrel pic has been taken in my country, so it's not Somalia. We too have rules and some are totally unnecessary.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Yes, they allow you to smoke those "legal buds" now...wasn't always like that was it and the federal government still doesn't agree...anyway go play in the water while you are allowed to do that.

the afternoon set comes in ~6pm! Hope the police let me jump in!

[venus]

if a cop tells you to do something then do it, if you decide to mouth off to them, attack them..well don't cry when you get your ass kicked...the police are not paid to lose fights

Originally Posted by RandyRandy

has their head up their asses. Local police forces have morphed into militarized units, with both weaponry and military training. The emphasis is no longer "Protect & Serve" but rather, "Defeating the Enemy".

Keep ignoring this until they're banging at your door.

[venus]

not when those people are causing harm to others and or their property...such as looting and destroying property like what is going on in Mo.

Originally Posted by aka123

I associate curfews with Nazi-Germany and similar countries. It's really extreme to suppress peoples freedom like that.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Cops have more rights than you do even though you are supposed to be protected against them by the Constitution. This is ok with you?

They have more rights?

[Rochard]

While I am slightly concerned about the recent events in Missouri (mostly the tear gas for no reason at all the journalists being hassled in a fast food restaurant for no reason), I don't believe we have become a police state and or that we are even moving in that direction.

The armored cars look strange there in Missouri, but they are for the protection of the officers who are clearly out numbered five to one. When there is a riot, police respond with riot gear - it's just that simple.

[TheSquealer]

Anyone that would believe such a thing has absolutely no idea what a police state is and has never been in one... has never lived in a place where human life is extremely cheap and where you have no rights at all.

Silly kids.