aka123

Much emphasis is put on demographics like country, but how about age? I would suppose that older people have more money and thus able and maybe even more willing to spend more money to porn. How is it? Do old, "dirty" folks spend more money to porn in terms of conversion/ amount spent?

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In cam sites they chat girls so we get to know their age. No one under the age of 20-22 is really buying cam shows and if they do, they chargeback or spend like $1 per year max.

The 25-30 year olds start to get some interesting guy, but often busted by wife or getting a gf or losing job, anyway is nothing solid.

The 30-40 year olds is very good instead, as well as the 40-50 year olds. These are either permanent lonely/divorced, or permanend married with zombie. No opportunity or wish to find real first/new girlfriends or do big changes in their lives. So very stable status, these guys spend $1000/month in cam site today, may spend same in 2020 or 2030. I witness people spending nicely every month since so many years in cams, they're all 30+ years old however.

If we could filter traffic buys by "age" that would be even better than filter by country for sure.

Note, that 30% of adult tube traffic is under 18 people, that's statistics you can get in various ways. Lots are under 25 too, perhaps 50%. A 20% of the USA traffic is arabs from proxies, iranians no real US people.
So let me I estimate that of 1000 US/CA hits, 200 are proxified arabs/chinese whatever, 400-500 are under 25, then only a 30% have hope of converting due to age/location.
From this 30% you apply the usual other reason why not to buy: unemployed/broke etc.

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On chaturbate you can see that its mostly 30-55yo guys tipping the 18-22yo girls.Go and spend an hour in a few rooms

shoot twice

The older generation WILL pay for porn. But targeting men over 55 isn't easy these days.
To be blunt the problem is the availablity of female talent. None of them really have a look that men 55+ want to see.

It's garter belts, stockings, high heels, NO TATOOS and some hair hair between their legs.

Plus they want to see the girl's personality and they're also NOT into seeing her get fucked by cock the size of a buick or by a guy that looks like a young Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Basically they want to see a girl that was in a 70s/80s porn with a guy like Dave Hardman.

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It has been mentioned that older people have different preferences. Isn't that opportunity to filter traffic? Making some banner, etc. that appeals to older people. This is common stuff when making mainstream ads those are targeted to certain demographics.

About banners in general, I have noticed that banners in porn industry are not that good. Those are often lacking call to action, benefits, proper visual design and such.

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The older the dude the more he will spend.
End of story.

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I can echo Shoot Twice's thoughts about what the older customers want in the models. They want personality and conversation and not too many tattoos and body ornaments. They want to see a pretty young (21 to 35-ish) woman modeling and teasing.

One observation about the younger (under 25) customers is that they have grown up on free downloaded music, software, games, videos, etc and just don't have the mindset to purchase anything. I can't prove this, but I have a very strong feeling about it. If someone has evidence that says otherwise, it would be encouraging.

Basically, I think our customer base is aging and not being replaced. I am hoping that once the younger generation gets established and has some disposable income, they will consider spending some money in our industry.

bronco67

So older guys are stuck in a time warp? That's a broad stroke you're painting with.

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My former accountant would come over to do my books, and then ask to see some porn... he was always disappointed with the tatted-up 18-23 demographic I mostly shot then, and wanted to see women in their 40's and 50's (he was 60+ at the time).

shoot twice

Perhaps they are but I really don't know and I really don't care if they are or aren't. To be honest I'll shoot whatever pays my bills. (Business is business) As for my experience... Men 55 or older want "time warp women" and they're willing to pay well for it.



Now I can only express what I see based on my personal experiences. (So take what I say with a grain of salt)

These days the under 30 crowds don't seem to want to pay for anything. And I'm sorry but they certainly have got the money.

Today's under 30 year olds have enough disposable income to buy $1000 phones every 6 months, drive expensive cars and drop a couple hundred bucks each week on booze, smokes and Ecstasy. But when it comes time to pay me I've got to fight for every nickle I get out of them. By comparison I work for someone over 50 and not only are they polite about paying me... But quite often I'm paid extra and if they like my work they tend to become loyal repeat clients. Where as I'm lucky if anyone under 30 can even remember my name.


Yup I can confirm that. Most want the little older "classy" looking woman. I'm sure the younger girls wouldn't be a problem for many of them but once again they seem to prefer that "classy" look.

The only thing I can really add to this conversation is that a guy 55 or older would still buy an 8x10s if given half the chance.

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good thread

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From what I can see with cams, the old people are fine with young girls (the younger the better lol - even if it happened someone wrote asking if any older girls), shaved girls (hairy is rare request, if it covers the relevant genital details). More an issue it is the tatoo + piercings, and even more an issue it is the manners i.e. act like shocking rapper or death metal freak rather than like a lady, whatever she looks like.

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Years ago a buddy told me ugly people pay more for porn.

I asked him how far in debt was he?

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Some of the old truths are not so true today (or tomorrow)

But the we are talking about buyers? Right?

People with money to spend buy :P
Who has money to spend on porn and wants to?
That peron's age is not so cut and dry.

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aka123

Yes, segments are more diversified. Although I have worked in customer research (as a worker), I don't think that any of you are willing to pay for extensive research and implementation, so using some easier segmentations as age and location are quite suitable in here.

shoot twice

I think one of the things that needs to be factored in is that a lot of these "old men" aren't necessarily heavy users of the Internet. In fact many aren't even on the net.

Now I believe that if someone can make serious big bucks if they can figure out an effective way to get porn into an old man's cell phone without needing to surf the Net. Every old man I've met has a phone but almost none of them seem to want to use it for the Internet.

Unfortunately what can be done that isn't simply a rip off of a porn tube. Or isn't a swinger's app or a creapy stranger stalking app.

Good market research doesn't cost it pays. But I would imagine it can get quite costly very quickly and if you don't have the money to begin with to fork out... then your S.O.L.

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Captain Kawaii

Older, 30+ and the more upscale the post and zip codes the better. They are not much interested in crappy tube videos unless its a quick jerk before work.

Most are savvy enough to know of the virus and malware headaches and over-advertising in dealing with crappy free sites.

Captain Kawaii

I agree. The nouveau-riche seem to be obsessed with setting themselves apart from the poor in every way they can. They'll pay for it if it sets them apart.

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You know in a way what you wrote begs the question,

"Why does this industry continue to waste so much time marketing to those that will never pay."

I mean over the years I've watch many people bend over backwards trying to please a fan base that tells them to go to hell. It seems to me a logical step would be to just stop making videos that these freeloaders would be interested in.

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aka123

Wealthy people also value one thing more than unemployed people, etc.: time.

I changed the affiliate link for 10 or so galleries to underline time saving by buying porn. Not huge success so far. Quite effective click deterrent, but the few ones who have clicked must be more interested to pay for porn.

signupdamnit

Interesting topic. I agree with the general thought of the older = more likely to pay.

I'll never forget around 2007 though when a 55 year old acquaintance first recommended myfreepaysite and then a few months later suggested redtube. That told me all I needed to know.

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You would be much better off to target the established porn buyer somehow, regardless of age. Hypothetically, if 1% of porn surfers are buyers, 70% of those might be in the 30-50 year old male profile. So, you are talking about drilling down to maybe 0.7% of the potential of the traffic as a whole, hypothetically at that 1% ...

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Hi. This is a very informative post. Thank you, shoot twice. I am an older guy raised on Playboy and Penthouse and their reasonably classy-looking models and photospreads. I am an aesthete and value a beautiful sunset over a big bank account. I collect the DVDs of adult models from around 2000-2005, and each album I put the DVDs in is like a wonderful Art Gallery to me. I have fun locating obscure DVDs of a model that allow me to complete the set! Like old baseball cards!

I occasionally find a model at OF who is ridiculously young compared to me but who is not tatted up and tries to make beautiful pics in a Quality over Quantity fashion. A young classy-looking woman. I order customs and pay extra, as you say, when the customs are really something. At one point I was a bit over my budget and I told one OF model I needed to cancel for a bit. She immediately gave me a six-month free subscription with pay account privileges. We have talked about things other than sex. She is not pushy with her offers, and I am not pushy with my custom orders. I send her pics I take of Nature, and she has done that, too. She offered me information about an app that identifies species from submitted pics.

I guess it is something like having an erotic pen pal with benefits.

I respect all "my girls" and appreciate the attention they give me that is not solely money-based.

I could name the one who makes classy pics, but I am not sure of all the rules here.

One retired classy-looking model I like is Sophie Strauss (Melisande).

Thanks again.

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As a collector of a few favorite vintage models' DVDs, and being of retirement age, I have spent anywhere from about $3 to $100 for a given DVD. The $100 is only if it is a DVD that completes or almost completes a set. Most DVDs have been in the $5 to $30 range. I don't usually collect compilation DVDs, just the DVDs with the first instance of a given scene. It is much like collecting old sports cards.

I already know what is on the DVDs and have enjoyed leafing through DVD albums that display 8 DVDs on the opened pages. It is actually like an Art Gallery! I love when care is taken in producing a DVD, especially with once again the personal touch through BTS sections that feature interviews with my favorite models.

I have sometimes wondered if the fact that I do not need glasses to read (presbyopia) has something to do with watching good porn up close. Lots of incentive to give the eyes a workout!

The fitness guru, Jack LaLanne, never needed glasses. He simply looked at his finger and tracked it up close regularly, then would look off into the distance. He would do reps of that. This trained his brain and kept his eye muscles strong. Many people say the exercises don't work, but Jack was a beast, and an honest beast!

The behavioral optometrist, Dr. Ray Gottlieb, also developed a routine that worked for him and a number of his patients. Check the ariticle Bye Bye Presbyopia. No mention of porn though!

I seem to like discs. First it was bottle caps, then coins, then porn DVDs!

Thanks.

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Dude stop bumping 10 year old threads.