Originally Posted by Mutt

looks like he was the last person to be giving anybody advice on how to conduct their lives.

Originally Posted by Rochard

At this point it's just bullshit. To date there has not been enough evidence to press charges, and in any event the statue of limitations has passed and charges cannot be filed. So all we have are accusations that can never be proved.

Originally Posted by VikingMan

The truth is probably like this.......

Bill Cosby was a young man who had fame and money and because of that he had a certain power with some women. It was also a different time when men could be men. So he probably did "go over the line" sometimes and when it the story is re-told decades later it sounds like pure evil when it is probably something most men have done at some point in their lives.

For example: I have messed around with a few girlfriends when they were sleeping. Technically they did not and could not give me consent so the modern man hating indoctrinated turd would claim that was rape. But I know that one girl specifically asked me to do it to her while she was sleeping because she loved waking up to an orgasm. Another girl did not ask me but we were into so many kinky things that we tried just about everything. She certainly enjoyed waking up to an orgasm as well and never complained about it. Both of these women could come out now and claimed I raped them and of course every retarded white knight and ever man hating turd would call me the devil and a rapist.

So I imagine most of these women enjoyed and were flattered by Bill Cosby's advances at the time but now that the culture has changed so much and you have these man hating turds all on the college campuses and in the media these women feel violated. And probably some of them are completely making it up for attention or to try to become part of a lawsuit or whatever other self serving reason.

The average human turd then says "but all of these women would not lie" so they just go ahead and convict Bill Cosby in their minds. He is defacto guilty even though charges have not even been filed. The average turd does not have the mental capacity to think that because this is a famous guy that once one or two women make accusations that others women seek to be part of the attention and/ payday.

Sadly we live in a culture where a woman's word against a man is enough to convict him. It will never change until we rid the world of the white knights. White knights are who are ultimately responsible for the rape hysteria that is ruining men's lives and the lives of any children they may have. Even if a man is exonerated his life is still ruined.

Now I am not defending Bill Cosby. Perhaps he is in fact guilty of rape. But just because a bunch of old hags come out and say they were raped means absolutely nothing. Women lie and make things up to portray themselves as victims all the time and of course the insidious white knights are right there to enable them.

I am also very against rape. But REAL rape. In my mind rape is when a women is drugged by the rapist or when a woman is forced to have sex. Rape is not dressing up like a slut, going out and partying and getting drunk, going home with a guy, and then deciding you have been "raped" when the guy does not return your phone call two days later which is what happened to the college quarterback in Montana this last year. That case was disgusting and the District Attorney clearly filed charges against that guy because of the shouts from the man haters who are spreading this current culture of rape hysteria.

I fell asleep at a party one time and when I woke up a girl I did not like had my pants down and was sucking my dick. But had I tried to file charges do you think the police would have taken me seriously? Of course not, I am a man and men are second class citizens. We cannot be victims of women. So before anyone tries to say they are against rape and domestic violence they better make sure they are against abuse of all types against both genders or they are nothing but a phony.

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

anybody else wondering about his cock size?

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

fucking player haters

Originally Posted by VikingMan

The truth is probably like this.......

Bill Cosby was a young man who had fame and money and because of that he had a certain power with some women. It was also a different time when men could be men. So he probably did "go over the line" sometimes and when it the story is re-told decades later it sounds like pure evil when it is probably something most men have done at some point in their lives.

For example: I have messed around with a few girlfriends when they were sleeping. Technically they did not and could not give me consent so the modern man hating indoctrinated turd would claim that was rape. But I know that one girl specifically asked me to do it to her while she was sleeping because she loved waking up to an orgasm. Another girl did not ask me but we were into so many kinky things that we tried just about everything. She certainly enjoyed waking up to an orgasm as well and never complained about it. Both of these women could come out now and claimed I raped them and of course every retarded white knight and ever man hating turd would call me the devil and a rapist.

So I imagine most of these women enjoyed and were flattered by Bill Cosby's advances at the time but now that the culture has changed so much and you have these man hating turds all on the college campuses and in the media these women feel violated. And probably some of them are completely making it up for attention or to try to become part of a lawsuit or whatever other self serving reason.

The average human turd then says "but all of these women would not lie" so they just go ahead and convict Bill Cosby in their minds. He is defacto guilty even though charges have not even been filed. The average turd does not have the mental capacity to think that because this is a famous guy that once one or two women make accusations that others women seek to be part of the attention and/ payday.

Sadly we live in a culture where a woman's word against a man is enough to convict him. It will never change until we rid the world of the white knights. White knights are who are ultimately responsible for the rape hysteria that is ruining men's lives and the lives of any children they may have. Even if a man is exonerated his life is still ruined.

Now I am not defending Bill Cosby. Perhaps he is in fact guilty of rape. But just because a bunch of old hags come out and say they were raped means absolutely nothing. Women lie and make things up to portray themselves as victims all the time and of course the insidious white knights are right there to enable them.

I am also very against rape. But REAL rape. In my mind rape is when a women is drugged by the rapist or when a woman is forced to have sex. Rape is not dressing up like a slut, going out and partying and getting drunk, going home with a guy, and then deciding you have been "raped" when the guy does not return your phone call two days later which is what happened to the college quarterback in Montana this last year. That case was disgusting and the District Attorney clearly filed charges against that guy because of the shouts from the man haters who are spreading this current culture of rape hysteria.

I fell asleep at a party one time and when I woke up a girl I did not like had my pants down and was sucking my dick. But had I tried to file charges do you think the police would have taken me seriously? Of course not, I am a man and men are second class citizens. We cannot be victims of women. So before anyone tries to say they are against rape and domestic violence they better make sure they are against abuse of all types against both genders or they are nothing but a phony.

Originally Posted by VikingMan

The truth is probably like this.......

Bill Cosby was a young man who had fame and money and because of that he had a certain power with some women. It was also a different time when men could be men. So he probably did "go over the line" sometimes and when it the story is re-told decades later it sounds like pure evil when it is probably something most men have done at some point in their lives.

For example: I have messed around with a few girlfriends when they were sleeping. Technically they did not and could not give me consent so the modern man hating indoctrinated turd would claim that was rape. But I know that one girl specifically asked me to do it to her while she was sleeping because she loved waking up to an orgasm. Another girl did not ask me but we were into so many kinky things that we tried just about everything. She certainly enjoyed waking up to an orgasm as well and never complained about it. Both of these women could come out now and claimed I raped them and of course every retarded white knight and ever man hating turd would call me the devil and a rapist.

So I imagine most of these women enjoyed and were flattered by Bill Cosby's advances at the time but now that the culture has changed so much and you have these man hating turds all on the college campuses and in the media these women feel violated. And probably some of them are completely making it up for attention or to try to become part of a lawsuit or whatever other self serving reason.

The average human turd then says "but all of these women would not lie" so they just go ahead and convict Bill Cosby in their minds. He is defacto guilty even though charges have not even been filed. The average turd does not have the mental capacity to think that because this is a famous guy that once one or two women make accusations that others women seek to be part of the attention and/ payday.

Sadly we live in a culture where a woman's word against a man is enough to convict him. It will never change until we rid the world of the white knights. White knights are who are ultimately responsible for the rape hysteria that is ruining men's lives and the lives of any children they may have. Even if a man is exonerated his life is still ruined.

Now I am not defending Bill Cosby. Perhaps he is in fact guilty of rape. But just because a bunch of old hags come out and say they were raped means absolutely nothing. Women lie and make things up to portray themselves as victims all the time and of course the insidious white knights are right there to enable them.

I am also very against rape. But REAL rape. In my mind rape is when a women is drugged by the rapist or when a woman is forced to have sex. Rape is not dressing up like a slut, going out and partying and getting drunk, going home with a guy, and then deciding you have been "raped" when the guy does not return your phone call two days later which is what happened to the college quarterback in Montana this last year. That case was disgusting and the District Attorney clearly filed charges against that guy because of the shouts from the man haters who are spreading this current culture of rape hysteria.

I fell asleep at a party one time and when I woke up a girl I did not like had my pants down and was sucking my dick. But had I tried to file charges do you think the police would have taken me seriously? Of course not, I am a man and men are second class citizens. We cannot be victims of women. So before anyone tries to say they are against rape and domestic violence they better make sure they are against abuse of all types against both genders or they are nothing but a phony.

Originally Posted by SylviaMaroon

If you don't see the difference between having sex with your sleeping gf and Bill Crosby drugging and raping women, than something is seriously wrong with you.

Even is someone dressed up as a slut and drunk as hell, that does not give you the right to take her. A woman always have the right to say no.

Please think about your daughter, when she is 18, going to a party in a short skirt, if she gets raped, is that ok? If she falls alseep at a party and wakes up with a cock in her mouth, is that ok?

It is NEVER ok to fore yourself on a woman. Rape is never ever ok.

Originally Posted by slapass

Notice how so many just went a long with it. Not letting the guy off. Once you resort to using drugs to make the girl willing, you know you have crossed the line.

It does seem to burst the bubble that famous actors can get all kinds of girls whenever they want. If that had been true, he would not have had the handy quaalude all the time.

Originally Posted by SylviaMaroon

If you don't see the difference between having sex with your sleeping gf and Bill Crosby drugging and raping women, than something is seriously wrong with you.

Even is someone dressed up as a slut and drunk as hell, that does not give you the right to take her. A woman always have the right to say no.

Please think about your daughter, when she is 18, going to a party in a short skirt, if she gets raped, is that ok? If she falls alseep at a party and wakes up with a cock in her mouth, is that ok?

It is NEVER ok to fore yourself on a woman. Rape is never ever ok.

Originally Posted by VikingMan

And yes you are right just because a woman dresses up like a slut does not give any man the right to rape her. But what happens is women have sex with a guy and then feel guilty or shameful about it the next day and then cry rape.

Originally Posted by VikingMan

Oh god this is the exact programming women are getting in their universities and in the media. My point is that women lie. Some women are bat shit crazy. A therapist I have known for 2 years wanted to date me but but I did not. I still kept her as a "friend" and let her be part of my kid's life because this nutty therapist was kind of lonely since she never had kids. Well one day a few months back she did some business with me and when her check bounces she threatened me with a restraining order if I ever contacted her again to collect the money. She went from hugging me on one day and then 5 days later threatened me. BAT SHIT CRAZY

Also when I was 19 a girl at my brother's wedding completely fabricated a story that I had hit her in a hotel room. The truth was she had a medical condition from which prevented her from having sex and I was a perfect gentleman and even stayed and held her in my arms as we watched a movie. I get back home (in another state) and get a phone call that (I will refer to her as my abuser) my abuser is claiming I hit her. I go an entire year under a cloud of suspicion and of course my brother and his wife are completely embarrassed and then this same abuser decides to abuse other men with more completely fabricated allegations. At that point everyone knew what was going on and people stopped pointing fingers at me. But it took several men being falsely accused before anyone would consider this abuser was lying to get attention.

Some women lie to get attention and the miserable white knights enable them.

And yes you are right just because a woman dresses up like a slut does not give any man the right to rape her. But what happens is women have sex with a guy and then feel guilty or shameful about it the next day and then cry rape. Or the guy does not return her calls so she cries rape. And EVERY FUCKING TIME the enablers in society believe the woman over the man. "Why would she lie" is what everyone always says.

Men are sick of getting abused by women with their fabricated stories and restraining orders. How about some sympathy for us? Oh yeah you are not programmed for that compassion. What about all the children who are victimized by these abusive women? You are not programmed for that compassion.

Originally Posted by SylviaMaroon

So because you have met several woman who were bat shit crazy, you assume all women are crazy? And because two woman accused you for forcing yourself on them, it must mean all these women are lying as well?
And I - who you know nothing about - am not able to feel compassion?

I am really sorry for the terrible things that has been done to you. Women should never ever use the rape card as an excuse - for this exact reason, because men are not going to believe real rape issues.
Being falsely marked as a rapist must be terrible, and should not happen.

However these things does not mean that all rape cases are fake.
These stories line up, these are women who are not going to benefit from this financially. They all tell the same story. Do you really think any of these women made this up and joined the publicity party just for the sake of it?
It's exactly this male behavior that happens here on this thread, that's stopping women coming forward, you demand evidence ( from 20 years ago?!), you question what's considered rape, you say they only seek attention.

I don't think you guys thought about what it feels like to be raped. Emotionally. I gave you the example of thinking of your daughter.
Now think about yourself, let's say you are a straight guy, had too much to drink, and you wake up with a guy fucking you. How would you feel? How would you feel about telling this to your buddies? How would you feel if the police suggested that you had too much to drink, and you probably agreed to it, you just can't remember?

Originally Posted by VikingMan

Cosby is famous and that is what makes this case different. Because he is so famous women will want to latch on so they get some attention. I am not saying he never technically raped any woman. Perhaps he has raped someone. However the flood of women that are coming forward is bullshit. I am just an average guy living an average lifestyle and even I have had women make false allegations against me. I cannot imagine what a celeb has to go through. Oh and by the way these women I was talking about in my own life never accused me of forcing myself on them. One said I hit her and the other one simply said she would get a restraining order on me if I ever asked her for the money she owed me. Big difference. LOL

But in the end I don't give a flying fuck about Cosby. Unless he stands up and says the types of things I am saying then fuck him because he is just another enabler.

Originally Posted by Jel

so you are saying black people need to behave a certain way to be accepted by other black people? yet you then scream 'racism' when others point out what appears to be black-related behaviour? how about wiggers, what's your take on them? is it ok to emulate blacks, or are they discrediting their race?

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Are any of you capable of having a discussion without getting emotionally overtaken?

Vikingman isn't saying that rape is ok or that women are all liars. He's saying that its possible that these women could be fabricating this whole thing and the media attention is having others pile on looking to score.

Originally Posted by candyflip

Blacks as a whole hate everyone. Whites. Mixed race. Hispanics. And most of all themselves.

Does it really surprise you what he has to say?

Originally Posted by bronco67

So your personal experience is the barometer for how all women act? So Cosby couldn't be guilty "because Vikingman encountered crazy chicks --- end of story". That's kind of a narcissistic viewpoint.

Originally Posted by kane

I think most famous actors can get all the girls they want if they put the work in.

For example, for years Cosby was a regular at the Playboy mansion and on the Hollywood party circuit. I would not doubt he got plenty of ass when he wanted it. Even if you are an ugly actor you can leverage your fame to talk girls into sleeping with you. Cosby, however, in some cases seemed like he just wanted the easy way out which was to invite girls into his life and offer them some kind of help with their career then slip them a roofie and bang them. I would not be shocked if he invited them in order to bang them, then once he realized it likely wasn't going to happen on its own, he drugged them. I don't doubt that there were plenty of actresses or wannabe writers or whatever that slept with him thinking it was going to advance their career.

Originally Posted by VikingMan

Oh god this is the exact programming women are getting in their universities and in the media. My point is that women lie. Some women are bat shit crazy. A therapist I have known for 2 years wanted to date me but but I did not. I still kept her as a "friend" and let her be part of my kid's life because this nutty therapist was kind of lonely since she never had kids. Well one day a few months back she did some business with me and when her check bounces she threatened me with a restraining order if I ever contacted her again to collect the money. She went from hugging me on one day and then 5 days later threatened me. BAT SHIT CRAZY

Also when I was 19 a girl at my brother's wedding completely fabricated a story that I had hit her in a hotel room. The truth was she had a medical condition from which prevented her from having sex and I was a perfect gentleman and even stayed and held her in my arms as we watched a movie. I get back home (in another state) and get a phone call that (I will refer to her as my abuser) my abuser is claiming I hit her. I go an entire year under a cloud of suspicion and of course my brother and his wife are completely embarrassed and then this same abuser decides to abuse other men with more completely fabricated allegations. At that point everyone knew what was going on and people stopped pointing fingers at me. But it took several men being falsely accused before anyone would consider this abuser was lying to get attention.

Some women lie to get attention and the miserable white knights enable them.

And yes you are right just because a woman dresses up like a slut does not give any man the right to rape her. But what happens is women have sex with a guy and then feel guilty or shameful about it the next day and then cry rape. Or the guy does not return her calls so she cries rape. And EVERY FUCKING TIME the enablers in society believe the woman over the man. "Why would she lie" is what everyone always says.

Men are sick of getting abused by women with their fabricated stories and restraining orders. How about some sympathy for us? Oh yeah you are not programmed for that compassion. What about all the children who are victimized by these abusive women? You are not programmed for that compassion.

Originally Posted by kane

I think most famous actors can get all the girls they want if they put the work in.

For example, for years Cosby was a regular at the Playboy mansion and on the Hollywood party circuit. I would not doubt he got plenty of ass when he wanted it. Even if you are an ugly actor you can leverage your fame to talk girls into sleeping with you. Cosby, however, in some cases seemed like he just wanted the easy way out which was to invite girls into his life and offer them some kind of help with their career then slip them a roofie and bang them. I would not be shocked if he invited them in order to bang them, then once he realized it likely wasn't going to happen on its own, he drugged them. I don't doubt that there were plenty of actresses or wannabe writers or whatever that slept with him thinking it was going to advance their career.

Originally Posted by Si

The thing that irks me about the whole affair is how he's being branded a rapist although he hasn't been convicted of anything.

EDIT: That's probably been said already, but worth repeating.

Originally Posted by arock10

Correct me if I'm wrong but rapists rape more for the power and control and not for just the sex

Originally Posted by slapass

I would have thought this. I read the accounts and he was pretty quick to use the roofie card in some cases. Why keep a stock of roofie just in case? Without the roofie he is just a sexually aggressive guy with lots of fame and power who was used to getting his way.

Originally Posted by VikingMan

Cosby is famous and that is what makes this case different. Because he is so famous women will want to latch on so they get some attention. I am not saying he never technically raped any woman. Perhaps he has raped someone. However the flood of women that are coming forward is bullshit. I am just an average guy living an average lifestyle and even I have had women make false allegations against me. I cannot imagine what a celeb has to go through. Oh and by the way these women I was talking about in my own life never accused me of forcing myself on them. One said I hit her and the other one simply said she would get a restraining order on me if I ever asked her for the money she owed me. Big difference. LOL

But in the end I don't give a flying fuck about Cosby. Unless he stands up and says the types of things I am saying then fuck him because he is just another enabler.

Originally Posted by Si

The thing that irks me about the whole affair is how he's being branded a rapist although he hasn't been convicted of anything.

EDIT: That's probably been said already, but worth repeating.

Originally Posted by kane

The reason so many are coming forward now is that there are safety in numbers. I used to date a woman that worked for a group that ran battered women's shelters. She explained to me that many women who are raped feel alone and assume they are the only ones that this has happened to. In this case not only do they feel along and like a victim, but the guy that did it is very famous, rich and powerful so they are afraid of coming forward for fear that he will destroy their lives. When others start to come forward they gain some confidence and see that they are not alone.

This is why we often see the same thing with pedophiles. When a few victims come forward then often many more come out of the woodwork because up until then they were either afraid or embarrassed to come forward alone.

Originally Posted by Jel

well, I'd respectfully say vikingman is emotionally overtaken by his own experience, when it comes to this specific bill cosby situation. He has stated "even I have had women make false allegations against me. I cannot imagine what a celeb has to go through"

Not exactly a neutral, unbiased opinion on this particular 'case'. The reasoning they must be false allegations? Because he has met some crazies. Most of the posts in this thread are a mish-mash of emotion-driven viewpoints, rather than specifically looking at a certain criteria, unemotionally.

Should women be able to dress slutty, get drunk as fuck, as and not be raped? of course.

should men be able to get shitfaced, without an unwanted female sucking his cock when he wakes up? of course, despite what most men (and women) might think.

do some women have a change of heart and/or regret, and falsely cri rape? of course.

Do most sexual abuse victims of both sexes bury that shit and never speak out about it? of course.

Do some victims finally feel empored to come forward once they see emotional/mental safety in numbers? of course.

Is Bill Cosby guilty? 2 days ago I had no real view, but there are far too many coming out now, with zero financial gain to be had, so I'm leaning towards yes, and probably some of the 'victims' have convinced themselves a crime took place when in reality they were consenters, with their 'reward' unrealised, hence the self-justification. <--- todays opinion. But do I really know? Nope, or nor does anyone outside of bill and the people who have come forward.

What I sure as shit won't do is just disregard either side's version, based on a completely emotion-fueled guess

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Ok can't think of any on Cheers, ever. lol

Originally Posted by kane

The reason so many are coming forward now is that there are safety in numbers. I used to date a woman that worked for a group that ran battered women's shelters. She explained to me that many women who are raped feel alone and assume they are the only ones that this has happened to. In this case not only do they feel along and like a victim, but the guy that did it is very famous, rich and powerful so they are afraid of coming forward for fear that he will destroy their lives. When others start to come forward they gain some confidence and see that they are not alone.

This is why we often see the same thing with pedophiles. When a few victims come forward then often many more come out of the woodwork because up until then they were either afraid or embarrassed to come forward alone.

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Seems the focus shifted from cosby now due to the Ferguson clusterfuck