We need to stop using race for statistics

[slapass]

In the US we divide out the races for crime, poverty, etc. This is meaningless as we are unable to change the race of someone.

As an example. If you found that porn with red lingerie outsells porn with green lingerie, you would use more red. You can change that.

If we found out that people over 6 foot 2 were more likely to be criminals, again it is not really useful. So we don't do that. So why do we divide by race all the time?

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by slapass

In the US we divide out the races for crime, poverty, etc. This is meaningless as we are unable to change the race of someone.

As an example. If you found that porn with red lingerie outsells porn with green lingerie, you would use more red. You can change that.

If we found out that people over 6 foot 2 were more likely to be criminals, again it is not really useful. So we don't do that. So why do we divide by race all the time?

the adult business = cut throat

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by slapass

In the US we divide out the races for crime, poverty, etc. This is meaningless as we are unable to change the race of someone.

As an example. If you found that porn with red lingerie outsells porn with green lingerie, you would use more red. You can change that.

If we found out that people over 6 foot 2 were more likely to be criminals, again it is not really useful. So we don't do that. So why do we divide by race all the time?

So your saying that KNOWING a specific group, in your example people over 6'2" being more likely to be a criminal, does nothing for us?

Knowledge is power. Use it for or against. Call it racism or Heightism or what ever, but if you have statistics that prove something then you can make changes to prevent, adapt or allow.

[FriendsForNow]

Originally Posted by slapass

In the US we divide out the races for crime, poverty, etc. This is meaningless as we are unable to change the race of someone.

As an example. If you found that porn with red lingerie outsells porn with green lingerie, you would use more red. You can change that.

If we found out that people over 6 foot 2 were more likely to be criminals, again it is not really useful. So we don't do that. So why do we divide by race all the time?

Certainly you're not basing this unrealistic rant on the Michael Brown debacle in Ferguson.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by slapass

In the US we divide out the races for crime, poverty, etc. This is meaningless as we are unable to change the race of someone.

As an example. If you found that porn with red lingerie outsells porn with green lingerie, you would use more red. You can change that.

If we found out that people over 6 foot 2 were more likely to be criminals, again it is not really useful. So we don't do that. So why do we divide by race all the time?

One thing you're forgetting here is the fact that different ethnic/cultural groups have a tendency to flock together, thus creating an "us vs them" mentality. This often results in under-privileged groups starting to hate the privileged ones, thus perpetuating hate, which ultimately may well lead to actual racism.

Statistics are nothing but a measuring stick. As such they're being used to pinpoint certain good or bad things occurring within certain segments of the general population. This doesn't necessarily lead to segregation of certain ethnic groups. In fact I'd argue that it's exactly the other way around. Statistics help discover issues within these groups, which mainly arose from them segregating themselves to begin with. These issues can then be dealt with, positively. This also helps discover positive things within these groups, so that they can be further improved upon.

Trust me, no one in the society REALLY wants under-privileged segments of the population being marginalized in ghettos. That simply keeps proliferating discontent with how they're being treated by "them" and ultimately leads to a lot more social issues within these groups.

One thing you need to keep in mind is that statistical data is far from being segmented only by race. The data gets segmented by lots of different criteria, many of which also happen to overlap. Segmentation is done by gender, age, profession, income, location and so on.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by slapass

In the US we divide out the races for crime, poverty, etc. This is meaningless as we are unable to change the race of someone.

As an example. If you found that porn with red lingerie outsells porn with green lingerie, you would use more red. You can change that.

If we found out that people over 6 foot 2 were more likely to be criminals, again it is not really useful. So we don't do that. So why do we divide by race all the time?

it would be useful because then you can ask the question, why is it someone who is over 6'2" more likely to commit a crime and go from there and possibly find solutions. pretending race and culture doesn't influence behavior is just sticking your head in the sand.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

pretending race and culture doesn't influence behavior is just sticking your head in the sand.

There's a slim to none chance that I'll ever accept the idea of race influencing people's behavior. I have always argued that the culprit is culture, which in turn leads to certain mentalities and attitudes being perpetuated.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by DamageX

There's a slim to none chance that I'll ever accept the idea of race influencing people's behavior. I have always argued that the culprit is culture, which in turn leads to certain mentalities and attitudes being perpetuated.

yes, i meant in that being of a certain race will expose someone to certain environments, expectations and ideals.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

yes, i meant in that being of a certain race will expose someone to certain environments, expectations and ideals.

I'd rather use 'may', instead of 'will'. One insinuates probability, the other certainty. Just nitpicking though.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

it would be useful because then you can ask the question, why is it someone who is over 6'2" more likely to commit a crime and go from there and possibly find solutions. pretending race and culture doesn't influence behavior is just sticking your head in the sand.

Statistics show the effect; not the cause.

Example :

Effect : more crime by people over 6'2

Cause : people over 6'2 always get into fights with people who accuse them of committing crime just because they are big.

Solution : Stop unfairly targeting people over 6'2 as criminals and they will stop beating you to death over it.

[brassmonkey]

the government is based on racial divide.

[L-Pink]

The more variables you input, the more information you receive.

Any variables purposely omitted is an attempt to modify the results to fit your particular agenda.

So by omitting the race variable what result are you attempting to modify or change and what agenda are you promoting?

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[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Statistics show the effect; not the cause.

Example :

Effect : more crime by people over 6'2

Cause : people over 6'2 always get into fights with people who accuse them of committing crime just because they are big.

Solution : Stop unfairly targeting people over 6'2 as criminals and they will stop beating you to death over it.

Incorrect.
Cause: They get into fights because they find people under 6' (85% of entire population) an easy target and feel its their god given right to bully
Solution: protect the 85% from bully and let them know it won't be tolerated no matter how badly butthurt or victimized they CHOSE to feel

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The more variables you input, the more information you receive.

Any variables purposely omitted is an attempt to modify the results to fit your particular agenda.

So by omitting the race variable what result are you attempting to modify or change and what agenda are you promoting?

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Or, you are simply shifting the cause through a cloud of smoke and bullshit.

You : Those people are dying in that community faster because that racial group just dies faster.
It's the same in all other cities and states with this racial group.
Statistics show that. End of story.

Me : I tested the water reservoir that exclusively served that community and found the water to be contaminated and fixed that problem.
But just like you said, there is still a high death rate in this community; but 10% less now.


Conclusion :

I will continue to find other problems, that when fixed, will give me less deaths.
You ain't ever going to find shit because it's all caused by their race because the statistics told you so.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Incorrect.
Cause: They get into fights because they find people under 6' (85% of entire population) an easy target and feel its their god given right to bully
Solution: protect the 85% from bully and let them know it won't be tolerated no matter how badly butthurt or victimized they CHOSE to feel

So, you never did well at the bars right?

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

So, you never did well at the bars right?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Or, you are simply shifting the cause through a cloud of smoke and bullshit.

You : Those people are dying in that community faster because that racial group just dies faster.
It's the same in all other cities and states with this racial group.
Statistics show that. End of story.

Me : I tested the water reservoir that exclusively served that community and found the water to be contaminated and fixed that problem.
But just like you said, there is still a high death rate in this community; but 10% less now.


Conclusion :

I will continue to find other problems, that when fixed, will give me less deaths.
You ain't ever going to find shit because it's all caused by their race because the statistics told you so.

How is having more information, "shifting the cause through a cloud of smoke and bullshit." That's just ridiculous and totally unfounded.

The opposite is actually correct, by eliminating FACTUAL data you are obtaining results through a cloud of smoke and bullshit.

edit: and WHY would someone NOT be interested in knowing how different races fared in the accumulated data? What truth or final result is being swept under the rug and why?


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[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

So, you never did well at the bars right?

Im picky about bars I go to

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

How is having more information, "shifting the cause through a cloud of smoke and bullshit." That's just ridiculous and totally unfounded.

The opposite is actually correct, by eliminating FACTUAL data you are obtaining results through a cloud of smoke and bullshit.

edit: and WHY would someone NOT be interested in knowing how different races fared in the accumulated data? What truth or final result is being swept under the rug and why?


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If race is the cause of an illness then you are not going to able to give them a race pill to fix it.
So move on to other causes that can be fixed.
It's wasted data on stuff that can't be fixed.

I don't want to go to the hospital with acute appendicitis and have the staff say
"99.99% of all your race with these symptoms only needed to drink water and rest; so go home now".

[L-Pink]

Let's also omit age, sex, education, and any other relative factor in developing data.

The less information gathered the less useful the final product.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Statistics show the effect; not the cause.

Example :

Effect : more crime by people over 6'2

Cause : people over 6'2 always get into fights with people who accuse them of committing crime just because they are big.

Solution : Stop unfairly targeting people over 6'2 as criminals and they will stop beating you to death over it.

that type of thinking always makes me laugh

[PAR]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

How is having more information, "shifting the cause through a cloud of smoke and bullshit." That's just ridiculous and totally unfounded.

The opposite is actually correct, by eliminating FACTUAL data you are obtaining results through a cloud of smoke and bullshit.

edit: and WHY would someone NOT be interested in knowing how different races fared in the accumulated data? What truth or final result is being swept under the rug and why?


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True, you could also add that if you removed race as a stat then your also remove the ability to track things like the % of a race being shot by an other.
Thus removing the ability to base the needed changes needed to correct the issue as you would not be able to monitor the change or even see the issue..

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

that type of thinking always makes me laugh

Lots of 6'2" guys graduated from

[pornmasta]