Now I know why Obama is pushing a $10 min wage

[Vendzilla]

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...142907469.html

Yeah the left media and those on this forum like to point out how Obama has created jobs and as usual , they leave out what kind of jobs are being created. Shitty ones!

The National Employment Law Project reports that that low wage industries employ 1.85 million MORE workers now than at the start of the recession while mid-and higher-wage industries employ 1.83 million LESS.

Low wage industries account for 44% of employment growth over the past four years but only 22% of job losses during the recession. As a result of this imbalance, the take home pay for households has fallen, averaging $51,000 in 2012, or 8% less than the average $55,000 in 2007, adjusted for inflation, according to the NELP.

And you guys still think that the joker in office is on the side of the folks?

Still think the recession is over?

[MrTrollkien]

Recession is when your neighbor loses his job depression is when you lose your job and recovery is when obama loses his.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by MrTrollkien

Recession is when your neighbor loses his job depression is when you lose your job and recovery is when obama loses his.

Scary we have to wait for recovery till he gets out of office. We have people in office that shouldn't be, he's just one.

[StinkyPink]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Scary we have to wait for recovery till he gets out of office. We have people in office that shouldn't be, he's just one.

Actually, if we got the others out, he wouldn't be so bad.

[JA$ON]

Why make it $10? Thats by any standard low....why not $20? Wait, why not $30? Because...

There shouldn't be ANY min wage!!!!

Only 5% of people are paid MW in this country anyway so its really not a huge factor in solving any macro poverty issue. And guess what, people who are worth more...get paid more They demand it or they can take their skills elsewhere.

Eliminating it all together would get more entry level people in the workforce. Someone with NO skill adds very little value to an employer, so if the min wage is more than the employer can afford to pay that person to be around....guess what....THEY DONT HIRE THAT PERSON, lol. Eliminating the MW lets people with no skill get in the door. Maybe at $5 an hour, maybe $3. A VERY small % of those who started a job at min wage still made min wage 2 yrs later. The worker has the choice to not accept the job, but it opens the door to get skilled and work their way up, make more etc etc.
Forcing someone to adhere to a MW will just have employers evaluating their books and having to either let people go or not hire new ones , expand and so on. OR if its a business that uses a lot of unskilled grunt workers (Cashiers etc) and they can't let people go....they just raise prices.
And $1 or $2 per hour more does NOTHING to help lift people out of poverty. Its a way for politicians to throw their hands in the air scream "look at all Ive done".

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...142907469.html

Yeah the left media and those on this forum like to point out how Obama has created jobs and as usual , they leave out what kind of jobs are being created. Shitty ones!

The National Employment Law Project reports that that low wage industries employ 1.85 million MORE workers now than at the start of the recession while mid-and higher-wage industries employ 1.83 million LESS.

Low wage industries account for 44% of employment growth over the past four years but only 22% of job losses during the recession. As a result of this imbalance, the take home pay for households has fallen, averaging $51,000 in 2012, or 8% less than the average $55,000 in 2007, adjusted for inflation, according to the NELP.

And you guys still think that the joker in office is on the side of the folks?

Still think the recession is over?

Sure. Obama can only make fast food jobs.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by StinkyPink

Actually, if we got the others out, he wouldn't be so bad.

Others as in Diane Feinstein who said "All vets are mentally ill in some way and government should prevent them from owning firearms."

Or Pelosi who said " we will find out what's in it after we vote on it" ???

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by JA$ON

Why make it $10? Thats by any standard low....why not $20? Wait, why not $30? Because...

There shouldn't be ANY min wage!!!!

Only 5% of people are paid MW in this country anyway so its really not a huge factor in solving any macro poverty issue. And guess what, people who are worth more...get paid more They demand it or they can take their skills elsewhere.

Eliminating it all together would get more entry level people in the workforce. Someone with NO skill adds very little value to an employer, so if the min wage is more than the employer can afford to pay that person to be around....guess what....THEY DONT HIRE THAT PERSON, lol. Eliminating the MW lets people with no skill get in the door. Maybe at $5 an hour, maybe $3. A VERY small % of those who started a job at min wage still made min wage 2 yrs later. The worker has the choice to not accept the job, but it opens the door to get skilled and work their way up, make more etc etc.
Forcing someone to adhere to a MW will just have employers evaluating their books and having to either let people go or not hire new ones , expand and so on. OR if its a business that uses a lot of unskilled grunt workers (Cashiers etc) and they can't let people go....they just raise prices.
And $1 or $2 per hour more does NOTHING to help lift people out of poverty. Its a way for politicians to throw their hands in the air scream "look at all Ive done".

According to the OP, more people are getting MW jobs, that's the point I'm trying to make

[2MuchMark]

Once again, Vendzilla sees the big picture.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by **********

Once again, Vendzilla sees the big picture.

What, that Obama wants to eliminate the middle class, or are you just being an asshole?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

Once again, Vendzilla sees the big picture.

don't be coy, **********, fill us all in on what the big picture is here.

[MaDalton]

i thought he learned that from Texas...

(do I remember that there it has been defended on this board?)

[Socks]

Originally Posted by JA$ON

Only 5% of people are paid MW in this country anyway so its really not a huge factor in solving any macro poverty issue.

That's a terribly misleading statistic. *anything* even a few cents above minimum wage would make you part of the 95%. You're still broke as shit with a shitty job...

I wonder how this stat pans out on a graph and how the weighting looks like

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i thought he learned that from Texas...

(do I remember that there it has been defended on this board?)

Not getting what you're saying?

Learned what, defended what? Minimum wage or that the middle class is getting smaller

Obama and his supporters like Mark Prince always points out all the jobs he has created, well, guess what, now he is trying to get a pay raise for all those jobs he created. All those minimum wages jobs he created.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Not getting what you're saying?

Learned what, defended what? Minimum wage or that the middle class is getting smaller

Obama and his supporters like Mark Prince always points out all the jobs he has created, well, guess what, now he is trying to get a pay raise for all those jobs he created. All those minimum wages jobs he created.

i am saying that when Perry created minimum wage jobs, he was celebrated as job creator by the right wingers and when Obama does the same (as per your stats), he gets trashed by the same people

not that i care, i just find it amusing

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i am saying that when Perry created minimum wage jobs, he was celebrated as job creator by the right wingers and when Obama does the same (as per your stats), he gets trashed by the same people

not that i care, i just find it amusing

My stats show that the jobs he says he is creating is for low wage, but at the same time we are losing the same amount from the middle class, which is bringing down the US median wage by 8%

Perry can claim he created jobs all he wants, the facts are that most of the new jobs are for people moving down the latter.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

My stats show that the jobs he says he is creating is for low wage, but at the same time we are losing the same amount from the middle class, which is bringing down the US median wage by 8%

Perry can claim he created jobs all he wants, the facts are that most of the new jobs are for people moving down the latter.

If Obama gets into creating private sector jobs then isn't that socialism and "big government".

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

My stats show that the jobs he says he is creating is for low wage, but at the same time we are losing the same amount from the middle class, which is bringing down the US median wage by 8%

Perry can claim he created jobs all he wants, the facts are that most of the new jobs are for people moving down the latter.

no doubt about that - just that in one case it's fine and in the other case it's not. and vice versa - depends on who reports

funny

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

If Obama gets into creating private sector jobs then isn't that socialism and "big government".

Have you ever heard him give a speech and hear how under his administration last month 25,000 jobs were created? I'm calling him on it! They are all low wage earning jobs to replace all the good paying jobs that have been lost.

The Federal Government doesn't create jobs, but the things they do influence them. The left is saying the recession is over, I call bullshit. Not until the lost jobs are replaced. People are living on less. This doesn't effect poor people, it effects those that weren't poor people and now are, that's why the US is spending so much money on food stamps.

Socialism and big government have nothing to do with it

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

What, that Obama wants to eliminate the middle class, or are you just being an asshole?

sorry that was your buddy reagan. Those cards were dealt a long time ago. Wages have been flat for 30 yrs.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

no doubt about that - just that in one case it's fine and in the other case it's not. and vice versa - depends on who reports

funny

This on the President for what he has been saying about jobs

Not about GOP VS Democrats

I could care less

I think come mid terms we're going to have a GOP house and senate and Hillary will be our new president and if she works with the other side like Bill did, I think we will all be happy with the outcome..........

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Have you ever heard him give a speech and hear how under his administration last month 25,000 jobs were created? I'm calling him on it! They are all low wage earning jobs to replace all the good paying jobs that have been lost.

The Federal Government doesn't create jobs, but the things they do influence them. The left is saying the recession is over, I call bullshit. Not until the lost jobs are replaced. People are living on less. This doesn't effect poor people, it effects those that weren't poor people and now are, that's why the US is spending so much money on food stamps.

Socialism and big government have nothing to do with it

At what point in the future from today will the US total of food stamps paid out equal that spent on the Iraq war?

Just curious how the number stack up.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony286

sorry that was your buddy reagan. Those cards were dealt a long time ago. Wages have been flat for 30 yrs.

Did you read the OP, over since the recession, 1.85 million jobs have left the middle and headed lower, where did that happen under Reagan?

I should point out that wages have not been flat, they have gone down 8% over the last 5 years. (Median Annual Income) I made great money during the Reagan years in construction building elevators at $25 an hour in the 80's

[kane]

What do you think could be done to help grow the number of mid-range and higher paying jobs?

It seems like the recession killed a lot of them and those companies that have come back or have been created since the recession are taking those jobs off shores.

There actually are a decent number of mid-range jobs out there that can't be filled. The last I read there were roughly 3 million jobs that companies can't fill because people are no longer going to trade schools to become plumbers, mechanics, welders etc.

So not only have we seen a shift in the type of jobs created, we have seen a shift in how people choose to educate themselves for the job market. Instead of encouraging kids to learn a trade they are encouraged to go to college then they graduate with a useless liberal arts degree and a ton of debt.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

At what point in the future from today will the US total of food stamps paid out equal that spent on the Iraq war?

Just curious how the number stack up.

I'll let you know when we stop spending money on Iraq and sending drones to Pakistan

How the fuck can you compare the two? Are you going to call me a racist next?

Seriously, what the fuck do the two have to do with each other?

[Sly]

A reminder as to what happens when business costs are continuously jacked up: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1139375

I would not be surprised if the minimum wage is a large contributor to innovation. As the costs of running a business rise, business owners find cheaper ways to do things = innovation/automation.

Perhaps the business world should be thanking minimum wage, or perhaps the low income job world should be blaming minimum wage. Maybe both. Funny to think about.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

What do you think could be done to help grow the number of mid-range and higher paying jobs?

It seems like the recession killed a lot of them and those companies that have come back or have been created since the recession are taking those jobs off shores.

There actually are a decent number of mid-range jobs out there that can't be filled. The last I read there were roughly 3 million jobs that companies can't fill because people are no longer going to trade schools to become plumbers, mechanics, welders etc.

So not only have we seen a shift in the type of jobs created, we have seen a shift in how people choose to educate themselves for the job market. Instead of encouraging kids to learn a trade they are encouraged to go to college then they graduate with a useless liberal arts degree and a ton of debt.

That is part of the problem, I'm sure. I can do anything with electrical, I can run 110, 220 and 440 3 phase. I can weld with gas, stick, mig and I did get a little practice in with tig. I can build a store front and install an automatic door, I have installed elevators, I have run black iron 4 inch pipe for a hydraulic elevator and made all the welds. I have worked on drill rigs. I can run a lathe and a mill. Hell, last weekend, I helped to lay some tile for a friend. When the people that are doing it now retire, we will be fucked because the big push is for higher education when getting a trade is always good to fall back on.

Hard to push for a trade when all the big companies are looking to relocate or you can be out bid by a company using illegal aliens as a work force

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I'll let you know when we stop spending money on Iraq and sending drones to Pakistan

How the fuck can you compare the two? Are you going to call me a racist next?

Seriously, what the fuck do the two have to do with each other?

Nah, I'll just wait for you to call me racist after blowing your top like a brat psycho.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...142907469.html

Yeah the left media and those on this forum like to point out how Obama has created jobs and as usual , they leave out what kind of jobs are being created. Shitty ones!

The National Employment Law Project reports that that low wage industries employ 1.85 million MORE workers now than at the start of the recession while mid-and higher-wage industries employ 1.83 million LESS.

Low wage industries account for 44% of employment growth over the past four years but only 22% of job losses during the recession. As a result of this imbalance, the take home pay for households has fallen, averaging $51,000 in 2012, or 8% less than the average $55,000 in 2007, adjusted for inflation, according to the NELP.

And you guys still think that the joker in office is on the side of the folks?

Still think the recession is over?

Bush created the same shitty jobs, take off your one way blinders. The good jobs have left the country, say thanks Reagan & Clinton for starting the ball rolling and shipping good paying jobs to China so big business could pay peanuts.

There are no new high paying jobs, it's all shitty $10/hr jobs that are created. Of course it's all Obama's fault..

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

At what point in the future from today will the US total of food stamps paid out equal that spent on the Iraq war?

Just curious how the number stack up.

That's a slanted question being as the amount of people on food stamps are on food stamps because of the last Republican president.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Rochard

That's a slanted question being as the amount of people on food stamps are on food stamps because of the last Republican president.

It's not so slanted when you figure in that we are never going to ever get out of Iraq.

[trevesty]

Wait, so his goal is to help out those at the very bottom, which is where a lot of the growth in employment numbers is being seen, and you somehow extrapolate from that that he's NOT acting in their interests?

What?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Wait, so his goal is to help out those at the very bottom, which is where a lot of the growth in employment numbers is being seen, and you somehow extrapolate from that that he's NOT acting in their interests?

What?

Vendzilla doesn't care if anything makes sense or what he posts.. He only cares if he can bitch and moan about Obama..

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by crockett

Vendzilla doesn't care if anything makes sense or what he posts.. He only cares if he can bitch and moan about Obama..

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Nah, I'll just wait for you to call me racist after blowing your top like a brat psycho.

While I have blown my top before, I have called anyone here a racist, or anywhere for that matter.

You'll have to let me know how I fit in the name Brat Psycho

[sicone]

At least there are those jobs. Romney and friends would have found a way to outsource most of those jobs too. The person asking you if you want to super size your meal will be asking you from the Philippines as machines box up your meal.

Where did all the mid level paying jobs go? Call tech support and ask them.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Wait, so his goal is to help out those at the very bottom, which is where a lot of the growth in employment numbers is being seen, and you somehow extrapolate from that that he's NOT acting in their interests?

What?

You really can't read can you?

Peoples wages are going down and he is saying it's a good thing! Now he wants to correct it by giving those people he put in lower paying jobs a little pay raise.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by sicone

At least there are those jobs. Romney and friends would have found a way to outsource most of those jobs too. The person asking you if you want to super size your meal will be asking you from the Philippines as machines box up your meal.

Where did all the mid level paying jobs go? Call tech support and ask them.

Be careful, the people in this thread that are supporting Obama are happy with their jobs at burger king. Because this doesn't effect them, I should have known!

[arock10]

Let's just bring back slavery

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

don't be coy, **********, fill us all in on what the big picture is here.

No need. Vendy can use the Google machine for that.

By the way, I'm glad you have adopted my cat Shadow as your Avatar. Lucky for you, she just had her claws clipped.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by arock10

Let's just bring back slavery

Get real, Cliven Bundy's ranch ain't that big.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Have you ever heard him give a speech and hear how under his administration last month 25,000 jobs were created?

I don't think you've ever listen to one of his speeches.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I'm calling him on it! They are all low wage earning jobs to replace all the good paying jobs that have been lost.

"Dey terk er Jerbbs!"

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I call bullshit.

We get it! Republicans hate black people.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Socialism and big government have nothing to do with it

Back to Kenya!

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Be careful, the people in this thread that are supporting Obama are happy with their jobs at burger king. Because this doesn't effect them, I should have known!

At least they are working and earning their $7 dollars a hour, unlike you whom collects unemployment while bitching about free loaders.

[Tofu]

I miss Clinton...

[signupdamnit]

I didn't know the president owned the fast food joints and all the other companies?

People are silly. The president isn't responsible for jobs. Employers decide that and indirectly so do consumers ultimately. The president has some sway in directing policy but it's maybe 10% in comparison to congress and the results are usually delayed years.

I mean you may as well blame the pope....

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by JA$ON

Why make it $10? Thats by any standard low....why not $20? Wait, why not $30? Because...

There shouldn't be ANY min wage!!!!

Only 5% of people are paid MW in this country anyway so its really not a huge factor in solving any macro poverty issue. And guess what, people who are worth more...get paid more They demand it or they can take their skills elsewhere.

Eliminating it all together would get more entry level people in the workforce. Someone with NO skill adds very little value to an employer, so if the min wage is more than the employer can afford to pay that person to be around....guess what....THEY DONT HIRE THAT PERSON, lol. Eliminating the MW lets people with no skill get in the door. Maybe at $5 an hour, maybe $3. A VERY small % of those who started a job at min wage still made min wage 2 yrs later. The worker has the choice to not accept the job, but it opens the door to get skilled and work their way up, make more etc etc.
Forcing someone to adhere to a MW will just have employers evaluating their books and having to either let people go or not hire new ones , expand and so on. OR if its a business that uses a lot of unskilled grunt workers (Cashiers etc) and they can't let people go....they just raise prices.
And $1 or $2 per hour more does NOTHING to help lift people out of poverty. Its a way for politicians to throw their hands in the air scream "look at all Ive done".

Guess what,

people going into business now already have to figure out if they can afford to pay employees before they ever start.

If they can't afford it then they can get the fuck out.

Great if McDonalds closes because then the former employees will just open hot dog stands and make $40 per hour themselves.

You know what, fuck it, raise them minimum wage to $40 per hour and let the cheap mother fuckers die out of business so "mom and pop" can open back up and give me the service I'm used to.

Low minimum wage is exactly why we have the franchise industry, fuck the franchise.
They don't pay shit, they serve shit and it's too much of that shit.

Disclaimer : Fake anger added for dramatic affect.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You really can't read can you?

Peoples wages are going down and he is saying it's a good thing! Now he wants to correct it by giving those people he put in lower paying jobs a little pay raise.

No, that's you not understanding at all what he said. Employment numbers increasing is overall a great thing, regardless of the market. Him wanting to increase the minimum wage to a respectable dollar amount is indicative of him understanding the economy(well, his advisors anyways).

He didn't put anyone in any jobs other than those he personally appointed to be his advisors(SecDef, etc). Nice try, though. Wanna show everyone again how much you don't understand public policy? It's pretty funny to read.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by trevesty

No, that's you not understanding at all what he said. Employment numbers increasing is overall a great thing, regardless of the market. Him wanting to increase the minimum wage to a respectable dollar amount is indicative of him understanding the economy(well, his advisors anyways).

He didn't put anyone in any jobs other than those he personally appointed to be his advisors(SecDef, etc). Nice try, though. Wanna show everyone again how much you don't understand public policy? It's pretty funny to read.

1.83 million mid-level/high-level jobs were lost, 1.85 million low-level jobs were gained

That's a victory?

If his understanding of public policy credits him for the 1.85 million low-level jobs gained, surely his understanding of public policy also credits him for the 1.83 million mid-level/high level jobs lost.

Go Obama!

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

no doubt about that - just that in one case it's fine and in the other case it's not. and vice versa - depends on who reports

funny

stop using logic !!!!

( same applies to Ukraine or '' The '' Ukraine : protesters are freedom fighters while burning buildings in Kiev , but in Ea stern Ukraine , far less damaging behavior by '' separatists '' are deemed terrorism .. go figure ... ? )

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I'll let you know when we stop spending money on Iraq and sending drones to Pakistan

How the fuck can you compare the two? Are you going to call me a racist next?

Seriously, what the fuck do the two have to do with each other?

... and 5 billion in '' the '' Ukraine ...

Note: our gov is no better on that topic ..