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Old 12-15-2014, 12:18 PM   #1
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**Shy Love Sued for Six Figures; Schechter Claims Fraud, Breach of Contract, Unfair Biz Practice**

Shy Love Sued for Six Figures; Schechter Claims Fraud, Breach of Contract, Unfair Biz Practice

Mark Schechter strikes back. The owner of adult talent agency ATMLA files a blistering Cross-Complaint against Shy Love and her husband, Roy Liberboim.

Source: TRPWL - Adult News and Commentary : TRPWL

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Schechter states claims against ATMLA?s previous owners for Fraud, Breach of Contract, Unfair Business Practice, and Interference with Prospective Business Advantage.

The Cross-Complaint cites:

False financial information indicating the number of models recruited per month, income per month, expenses per month, and other important financial data provided at the time of the sale of ATMLA in order to inflate the value of Shy Love?s business assets and consulting services;

Shy Love starting a new agency, The VIP Connect, which competes directly with ATMLA, in violation of the terms of the contracts which effectuated the sale of ATMLA;

Defamatory information provided to a porn gossip blogger in order to damage Schechter?s reputation;

Disparaging statements made to clients, producers, directors, and adult industry professionals;

The ?poaching? of models from ATMLA?s roster;

Attempts to force Schechter?s removal from LATATA; and

Other actions and activities meant to damage Schechter?s professional reputation in the adult film business.

The amount of liquidated damages specified for three of the alleged contract breaches is $100,000 USD per breach!

This came across our Google Alerts today ?

In November, ex-adult performer turned talent agent Shy Love (nee Sheelagh Blumberg) sued Mark Schechter, the man who now owns her old agency, ATMLA, for defamation. As TRPWL has indicated in its previous coverage, this move was not merely ridiculous, but also incredibly unwise.

Friday, in Los Angeles County Superior Court, Schechter filed not only his Answer, which denied each and every one of Blumberg/Love?s allegations, but also a Cross-Complaint, that added Shy?s husband Roy Liberboim as a party.

The pleadings lay out several claims, perhaps the juiciest of which is that the couple committed Fraud in the sale of ATMLA, by intentionally providing Schechter with financial information that was false.

In other words, he says that they cooked the books.

Prior to entering in to the above referenced contracts, Cross-Defendants [Blumberg/Love and Liberboim] provided emails concerning their 2011 tax returns, Profit and Loss Statements, and other revenue reporting information as part of the disclosure process?.

Prior to entering in to the above referenced contracts, [Blumberg/Love and Liberboim] provided confidential financial information indicating the number of models recruited per month, income per month, expenses per month, and other important financial data.

This information referenced above was false.

[Blumberg/Love and Liberboim] were aware of the falsity of the above referenced documents.

[Blumberg/Love and Liberboim] intended that Cross-Complainant Mark Schechter rely on the above referenced documents in order to inflate the value of the consulting services and business assets as referenced in Exhibit ?A? and ?B.?

[IMG]http://thereal*************.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IMG_1054.png[/IMG]


Go here to see all of the Docs and detailed responses:

Shy Love Sued for Six Figures; Schechter Claims Fraud, Breach of Contract, Unfair Biz Practice - TRPWL : TRPWL

My comment thoughts: OHHH man! Why can't we all just get along?



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Old 12-15-2014, 12:24 PM   #2
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3...2...1... and enter Mike South with claims he was the first to break the news months ago, when he heard a rumor.
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Cant we all just get along.
Yea thats what I'm saying.


Spoke to Mark about this. Mark is a good guy. He would come to the table and set his differences aside with Shy to make nice. He's not that confrontational type of guy; but if you push him, he will come "Guns a Blazing."


Hope this comes to a nice peaceful resolution for all involved.




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3...2...1... and enter Mike South with claims he was the first to break the news months ago, when he heard a rumor.


Too funny!


I actually like Mike.

We may have a difference of opinion here and there, but I think he actually cares about performers safty and issues that face our industry as a whole.


I think that he gets fed some miss information from time to time. And acts on it with 110% energy to affect action and change.



Do keep in mind if it wasn't for Mike South and a few others; that Donny Long hate site "Porn Wikileaks (Not to be confused with the pro Porn news site "TheReal*************") would not have come down. Thank you Mike for your tireless work in taking down that hate site!!!





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while I could say I saw that coming I have said nothing about it nor did I have any tips that it was coming anytime soon.
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Same here. Best wishes Mark. Hopefully this puts an end to the nonsense you have had to deal with so far.
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Thank you all for the good luck wishes, kind words and thoughts. I will share with you my recent statement in response to this ordeal..

By nature, I am not a litigious person, but after enduring over 2 years of relentless attempts to cause financial and personal harm to my business and my personal life, and ironically having to answer to the recent ridiculous and frivolous lawsuit against me, it was time to move forward with legal action. Prior to being served with the recent ludicrous allegations, I was resolved with not pursuing my legal rights and simply continuing to run my business as I have, and enjoying the results of my efforts growing ATMLA to the status that it maintains today, being one of the top adult talent agency?s in the industry. It?s unfortunate that Shy chose not to take advantage of this opportunity to sell her agency for more than it was worth, and be able to open another agency in violation of an agreement and do so without any recourse. Instead, she has chosen to open up the lid to ?Pandora?s Box?.

I have been an avid poker player for 30 years, and every so often you?re dealt a hand where you not only have the best cards, often referred to as ?Holding the Nuts?, but your opponent bets and raises into you ?All in?, and I simply respond with?. ?I call?.

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Thank you all for the good luck wishes, kind words and thoughts. I will share with you my recent statement in response to this ordeal..

By nature, I am not a litigious person, but after enduring over 2 years of relentless attempts to cause financial and personal harm to my business and my personal life, and ironically having to answer to the recent ridiculous and frivolous lawsuit against me, it was time to move forward with legal action. Prior to being served with the recent ludicrous allegations, I was resolved with not pursuing my legal rights and simply continuing to run my business as I have, and enjoying the results of my efforts growing ATMLA to the status that it maintains today, being one of the top adult talent agency?s in the industry. It?s unfortunate that Shy chose not to take advantage of this opportunity to sell her agency for more than it was worth, and be able to open another agency in violation of an agreement and do so without any recourse. Instead, she has chosen to open up the lid to ?Pandora?s Box?.

I have been an avid poker player for 30 years, and every so often you?re dealt a hand where you not only have the best cards, often referred to as ?Holding the Nuts?, but your opponent bets and raises into you ?All in?, and I simply respond with?. ?I call?.

Looking forward to seeing you all in January for the XBiz show in LA and Internext/AEE in Vegas.

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Thank you all for the good luck wishes, kind words and thoughts. I will share with you my recent statement in response to this ordeal..

By nature, I am not a litigious person, but after enduring over 2 years of relentless attempts to cause financial and personal harm to my business and my personal life, and ironically having to answer to the recent ridiculous and frivolous lawsuit against me, it was time to move forward with legal action. Prior to being served with the recent ludicrous allegations, I was resolved with not pursuing my legal rights and simply continuing to run my business as I have, and enjoying the results of my efforts growing ATMLA to the status that it maintains today, being one of the top adult talent agency?s in the industry. It?s unfortunate that Shy chose not to take advantage of this opportunity to sell her agency for more than it was worth, and be able to open another agency in violation of an agreement and do so without any recourse. Instead, she has chosen to open up the lid to ?Pandora?s Box?.

I have been an avid poker player for 30 years, and every so often you?re dealt a hand where you not only have the best cards, often referred to as ?Holding the Nuts?, but your opponent bets and raises into you ?All in?, and I simply respond with?. ?I call?.

Looking forward to seeing you all in January for the XBiz show in LA and Internext/AEE in Vegas.

Mark & Marjie

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Do keep in mind if it wasn't for Mike South and a few others; that Donny Long hate site "Porn Wikileaks (Not to be confused with the pro Porn news site "TheReal*************") would not have come down. Thank you Mike for your tireless work in taking down that hate site!!!
Hi Dave...
When The PWL thing went down I offered to help the girls for free and turned down interviews with Gawker etc.. I was not after any fame, credit or PR.. I said so here on GFY that day. I only wanted to help an industry that I have worked in for 15+ years...

So I ask...
Do you mean the part where Mike paid to have the site and or email account hacked?
Or the part where the site is back up...
How about the $$$$ and hours that was spent on legal fees to legally have the site shut down and Donny charged/arrested...
We considered involving Mike but it was felt there was to much risk in doing so and that it may harm the case...
Or maybe you are talking about the simple fact that due to Mike's actions the FBI, Interpol and legal all had to walk away from the issue because the damage it caused to the case and evidence... After all how do you introduce evidence when the defendant just has to say they were hacked...

So ya, Mike was a great help to Donny, in not having him arrested, in not really shutting down the site. And to this day not protecting any of the girls info... So big pat on Mike's back for making it so the FBI etc.. wont revisit the case...

But you didn't see Mike comment on any of that nor did he care about fucking over investigation he knew was going...
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Some people think they can do whatever they want and not have any consequences when nothing can be further from the truth. If Shy Love can't afford an attorney she is fucked.
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By nature, I am not a litigious person, but after enduring over 2 years of relentless attempts to cause financial and personal harm to my business and my personal life, and ironically having to answer to the recent ridiculous and frivolous lawsuit against me, it was time to move forward with legal action. Prior to being served with the recent ludicrous allegations, I was resolved with not pursuing my legal rights and simply continuing to run my business as I have, and enjoying the results of my efforts growing ATMLA to the status that it maintains today, being one of the top adult talent agency?s in the industry. It?s unfortunate that Shy chose not to take advantage of this opportunity to sell her agency for more than it was worth, and be able to open another agency in violation of an agreement and do so without any recourse. Instead, she has chosen to open up the lid to ?Pandora?s Box?.

I have been an avid poker player for 30 years, and every so often you?re dealt a hand where you not only have the best cards, often referred to as ?Holding the Nuts?, but your opponent bets and raises into you ?All in?, and I simply respond with?. ?I call?.

Looking forward to seeing you all in January for the XBiz show in LA and Internext/AEE in Vegas.

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Thank you all for the good luck wishes, kind words and thoughts. I will share with you my recent statement in response to this ordeal..

By nature, I am not a litigious person, but after enduring over 2 years of relentless attempts to cause financial and personal harm to my business and my personal life, and ironically having to answer to the recent ridiculous and frivolous lawsuit against me, it was time to move forward with legal action. Prior to being served with the recent ludicrous allegations, I was resolved with not pursuing my legal rights and simply continuing to run my business as I have, and enjoying the results of my efforts growing ATMLA to the status that it maintains today, being one of the top adult talent agency?s in the industry. It?s unfortunate that Shy chose not to take advantage of this opportunity to sell her agency for more than it was worth, and be able to open another agency in violation of an agreement and do so without any recourse. Instead, she has chosen to open up the lid to ?Pandora?s Box?.

I have been an avid poker player for 30 years, and every so often you?re dealt a hand where you not only have the best cards, often referred to as ?Holding the Nuts?, but your opponent bets and raises into you ?All in?, and I simply respond with?. ?I call?.

Looking forward to seeing you all in January for the XBiz show in LA and Internext/AEE in Vegas.

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So I ask...
Do you mean the part where Mike paid to have the site and or email account hacked?
Or the part where the site is back up...
How about the $$$$ and hours that was spent on legal fees to legally have the site shut down and Donny charged/arrested...
We considered involving Mike but it was felt there was to much risk in doing so and that it may harm the case...
Or maybe you are talking about the simple fact that due to Mike's actions the FBI, Interpol and legal all had to walk away from the issue because the damage it caused to the case and evidence... After all how do you introduce evidence when the defendant just has to say they were hacked...


Mike South didn't interfere in any federal investigation, he didn't pay me or others to hack Donnys site, and certainly didn't cause any federal agency to stop looking at Donny Long..You have no fucking clue what your talking about...The FBI reached out to a bunch of people, including members of this forum..In the end, the case came down to HIPPA violations and the cost of prosecution, Donny didn't hack anything, so there was no real case and since Donny was and still is in Thailand, the case just sits there open..
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Hi Dave...
When The PWL thing went down I offered to help the girls for free and turned down interviews with Gawker etc.. I was not after any fame, credit or PR.. I said so here on GFY that day. I only wanted to help an industry that I have worked in for 15+ years...

So I ask...
Do you mean the part where Mike paid to have the site and or email account hacked?
Or the part where the site is back up...
How about the $$$$ and hours that was spent on legal fees to legally have the site shut down and Donny charged/arrested...
We considered involving Mike but it was felt there was to much risk in doing so and that it may harm the case...
Or maybe you are talking about the simple fact that due to Mike's actions the FBI, Interpol and legal all had to walk away from the issue because the damage it caused to the case and evidence... After all how do you introduce evidence when the defendant just has to say they were hacked...

So ya, Mike was a great help to Donny, in not having him arrested, in not really shutting down the site. And to this day not protecting any of the girls info... So big pat on Mike's back for making it so the FBI etc.. wont revisit the case...

But you didn't see Mike comment on any of that nor did he care about fucking over investigation he knew was going...
This guy bellow(TRWL) is probably the key guy that helped out massivly and with out him and his expertise; that hate site would still be up. TRPWL is a real "Internet Mountain Mover."


TRWL is the real deal when it comes to anything internet and information gathering. I like his his industry stories and his writing style. And fortunately for the porn industry he is very pro Porn Biz.


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Mike South didn't interfere in any federal investigation, he didn't pay me or others to hack Donnys site, and certainly didn't cause any federal agency to stop looking at Donny Long..You have no fucking clue what your talking about...The FBI reached out to a bunch of people, including members of this forum..In the end, the case came down to HIPPA violations and the cost of prosecution, Donny didn't hack anything, so there was no real case and since Donny was and still is in Thailand, the case just sits there open..

To all of GFY; TRPWL is the real deal! Anything he writes, is very on point and is always backed up with actual documents to prove what he writes about.

I also happen to like the guy and what he writes about.


And as unpopular as it may be, I like Mike South too. Mike and I get along well. We may not agree on all issues, but I like how he calls certain things out that need to get called out.


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I may not like a persons view on a particular issue, but dosnt mean I don't get along or respect that person. And If I don't know that person, there is no reason for me to attack them personally for their position on an issue that I don't agree with.


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Old 12-17-2014, 01:39 PM   #32
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Mike South didn't interfere in any federal investigation, he didn't pay me or others to hack Donnys site, and certainly didn't cause any federal agency to stop looking at Donny Long..You have no fucking clue what your talking about...The FBI reached out to a bunch of people, including members of this forum..In the end, the case came down to HIPPA violations and the cost of prosecution, Donny didn't hack anything, so there was no real case and since Donny was and still is in Thailand, the case just sits there open..
Really you want to argue about this..?
I don't really see the point...
**It should be noted that the site in question is still up.... If you want to do something about that let me know... I already reached out to you months back when I saw it was back...

That being said,
I don't remember you being on the conf call, it was about 2 hours long and well over a year ago.... But I'm almost 100% sure you were not on it...

Yes, There were others on this forum on the calls... And even more contacted...
**There choice to say they were on the call in question, not my place to put their names out...

It is more than possible that there was more than 1 case being worked on at the same time. In truth, I know there was.. I would assume that there was a few...
But I only know the fine details about the one I was directly part of.

I never said Mike paid you to hack anything...
I didn't even mention you or your site...
TBH - I left you and the site out of my post to avoid painting you guys in the same light...
Thought you might appreciate that being as I don't exactly see you guys having a loving relationship... Hell I like you guys enough so that I contacted you when the site went back live... Offer still stands...

I however did repeated what Mike himself said about gaining access to Donny's email etc.. (...Maybe I should have used a direct quote...) And the role it played in the final conf call on the matter...

Anyways the offer stands if you want to have a go at the site again as it's still up...
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We're getting a little off-topic here, but... I was there as well and I too can confirm that there were at least two different divisions of the feds working on the PWL matter. I know this from personal experience, as I was contacted. Maybe there was more, but I know of two. I've said all I have to say about the way the PWL matter was reported at the time, but I appreciate your effort to not portray TRPWL in a negative light. Thank you.
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We're getting a little off-topic here, but... I was there as well and I too can confirm that there were at least two different divisions of the feds working on the PWL matter. I know this from personal experience, as I was contacted. Maybe there was more, but I know of two. I've said all I have to say about the way the PWL matter was reported at the time, but I appreciate your effort to not portray TRPWL in a negative light. Thank you.
And the other guy involved in the take down of Donnys hate site. lol


Welcome to GFY. With you, TRPWL and Mike South, this will really be an interesting place.


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Hi Dave...
When The PWL thing went down I offered to help the girls for free and turned down interviews with Gawker etc.. I was not after any fame, credit or PR.. I said so here on GFY that day. I only wanted to help an industry that I have worked in for 15+ years...

So I ask...
Do you mean the part where Mike paid to have the site and or email account hacked?
Or the part where the site is back up...
How about the $$$$ and hours that was spent on legal fees to legally have the site shut down and Donny charged/arrested...
We considered involving Mike but it was felt there was to much risk in doing so and that it may harm the case...
Or maybe you are talking about the simple fact that due to Mike's actions the FBI, Interpol and legal all had to walk away from the issue because the damage it caused to the case and evidence... After all how do you introduce evidence when the defendant just has to say they were hacked...

So ya, Mike was a great help to Donny, in not having him arrested, in not really shutting down the site. And to this day not protecting any of the girls info... So big pat on Mike's back for making it so the FBI etc.. wont revisit the case...

But you didn't see Mike comment on any of that nor did he care about fucking over investigation he knew was going...
Wasn't Mike also recently called out for his own shady and inadequate testing policies?

Weird that would come up about someone who supposedly cares so much about "model safety."

Edit: Yup, he sure was. Weirdly, someone was busy bumping the thread right as I was thinking about it.
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When The PWL thing went down I offered to help the girls for free and turned down interviews with Gawker etc.. I was not after any fame, credit or PR.. I said so here on GFY that day. I only wanted to help an industry that I have worked in for 15+ years...

So I ask...
Do you mean the part where Mike paid to have the site and or email account hacked?
Or the part where the site is back up...
How about the $$$$ and hours that was spent on legal fees to legally have the site shut down and Donny charged/arrested...
We considered involving Mike but it was felt there was to much risk in doing so and that it may harm the case...
Or maybe you are talking about the simple fact that due to Mike's actions the FBI, Interpol and legal all had to walk away from the issue because the damage it caused to the case and evidence... After all how do you introduce evidence when the defendant just has to say they were hacked...

So ya, Mike was a great help to Donny, in not having him arrested, in not really shutting down the site. And to this day not protecting any of the girls info... So big pat on Mike's back for making it so the FBI etc.. wont revisit the case...

But you didn't see Mike comment on any of that nor did he care about fucking over investigation he knew was going...
Thank you for bringing this to light. I know it is off subject and might otherwise be missed but it caught my attention and doesn't surprise me one bit.
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Thank you all for the good luck wishes, kind words and thoughts. I will share with you my recent statement in response to this ordeal..

By nature, I am not a litigious person, but after enduring over 2 years of relentless attempts to cause financial and personal harm to my business and my personal life, and ironically having to answer to the recent ridiculous and frivolous lawsuit against me, it was time to move forward with legal action. Prior to being served with the recent ludicrous allegations, I was resolved with not pursuing my legal rights and simply continuing to run my business as I have, and enjoying the results of my efforts growing ATMLA to the status that it maintains today, being one of the top adult talent agency?s in the industry. It?s unfortunate that Shy chose not to take advantage of this opportunity to sell her agency for more than it was worth, and be able to open another agency in violation of an agreement and do so without any recourse. Instead, she has chosen to open up the lid to ?Pandora?s Box?.

I have been an avid poker player for 30 years, and every so often you?re dealt a hand where you not only have the best cards, often referred to as ?Holding the Nuts?, but your opponent bets and raises into you ?All in?, and I simply respond with?. ?I call?.

Looking forward to seeing you all in January for the XBiz show in LA and Internext/AEE in Vegas.

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Kudos! Good luck with everything. You and Marjie are two of the nicest and most professional people team Homegrown has had the pleasure of associating with over the years. May there be enough there to go after and make the pain in the ass aspect of litigation worthwhile.

Your agency is the only truly legit adult modeling agency I know of and I am going way back to the Jim South and Reb days on that score.
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One thing I like about Shy is that she makes fun of people who are offended by the use of the word "whore" such as clueless female talent and the insidious white knights.

That being said, I would never buy a business from a whore.
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Now that you mention it...Marks counter suit was dismissed...he refiled it and day before yesterday it was dismissed again.
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Now that you mention it...Marks counter suit was dismissed...he refiled it and day before yesterday it was dismissed again.
There are some goings-on going on..
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LOL aint that the truth every time the biz slows down the agency wars heat up....
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