Zakash

So i'm searching around the internet and i bump into this site offers free recorded cam shows from MFC. My first impression was "wow that's not legal" but then i decided to check what it all about.

So quick google search told me that some guy developed some script that can record all the model on MFC, encode the videos and upload them anywhere (on this case, Upstore). Well that cool, but why he will do that i asked my self. There is no banners on the site, no pop unders, NOTHING, just the name of the model, the date of the show, thumbnails and link to the video.

So i clicked on one of them and this message popped "Premium Download only", then i clicked on another one and another one and all of the uploaded videos was for Premium users only.

So i bought myself a premium account just to see if its legit videos and discovered they are.

Got you i said myself, the website owner earns his money from Upstore affiliate program! The Upstore guys sitting there somewhere in russia, they don't care what they host on their servers and they more then happy to share the revenue for new premium users i thought.

Well quick google search showed me few things:
1) There are at least 5 more sites like this online, all different but all have the same videos and the same links to Upstore.
2) Upstore don't have affiliate program and all the links from all the sites are the same.

So my question is why? why people keep creating and updating the sites (although it's can be scrapped) and be at risk? They must earn somehow.... any ideas how?

Alex.

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Horatio Caine

Didn't you answer your own question by buying premium membership to a file locker site?

Zakash

As i said, they don't have any affiliate program and all of the links are the same on dozens of sites... Let's assume that Upstore own one of them, or paying for one site owner who uploading them but why others keep open similar sites?

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Horatio Caine

How do you know file locker doesn't have affiliate program? Could be invite only.
Or that its not the same guy running multiple sites?

Manfap

Maybe they own upstore

Rochard

i could think of a dozen reasons why.

For example, Amateur webmasters aren't interested in making money. They build only for the sake of building so they can say they did it. I myself started making web pages just for the pure of fun of it; This was back in the day when our industry was in it's infancy. I updated my site daily by hand (this was long before we had scripts) and did it just so I could say I had a website. I work for Dating Factory and we have free dating sites - Some people are building a service because they want to, not for money.

Or perhaps they built a few sites and have them set for free now while they build interest.

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Zakash

Even if they have, there is no special links for different sites, all links are the same.

Maybe, but ones again why should someone open 5 different sites when they can build only one, and a good one?

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Horatio Caine

Direct links
You add validation file to your site and file locker script credits you with sales made from that particular domain.

Different auto-generated meta tags, descriptions. Google bans one URL and you have 4 more out there on different IP's.

Zakash

And one more thing, what about the legal matter? The uploaded shows are public but still, can they do that?

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Horatio Caine

BTW, quick google search shows affiliate program for Upstor.net advertised on wjunction

Horatio Caine

Legal matter?
Cloudflare DNS, Servers in Russia. What legal matter?

Zakash

Ages ago with broken links...

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TeenCat

it is good that people are recording camshows, as with all the piracy, this will be the only content that will be produced, so some people are on the boat already

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SplatterMaster

Upstore has an affiliate program. Otherwise sites like Kittykats would not be using them.

If you cant see where to signup then it's invite only and only for trusted people and sites.

Zakash

Good to know, Cheers!

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freecartoonporn

what Horatio Caine said.

there are shitloads of aff, programs which are invite only plus you dont get special link code , bcoz they dont track using linkcode,

ever checked pirate site meta tags ?
they use their domain as referer tracking and or meta tags .,to validate domains.,

and even more if i were them i would have opened 10 same sites , why ?
so they can compete with each other and take all the serp rankings instead of only taking 1 spot,.

they own the Upstore and all sites or
they dont own Upstore at all. and all sites are different,

forward the Upstore url and other info to AK .

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Barry-xlovecam

How is the frame rate of those videos?

Zakash

Codec: H264 - MPEG-4 AVC
Resolution: 320x240
Frame rate: 10

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Barry-xlovecam

Probably screen caps

I get this for a mp4:

Barry-xlovecam

Camsites are not making their money selling static content. So, leakage of copyright content is an issue but not an major issue when competing for customer dollars. Camsite customers want live and interactive.

That said, this content leakage is more of a security issue ...

The EME encryption on HTML5 video will resolve the issue -- screen capture will not work.

CPA-Rush

u paid for that ? nothing new upstore has been online for some time now , there are many of this sites some require survey but usually its not work or scam

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chloelewis

It is a serious issue for the models. Some camsites are happy to have their logo all over the tubes and file lockers unfortunately.

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Barry-xlovecam

Yes, I am aware of that -- the new EMF (*s.i.c. above) [Encrypted Media File] will resolve this issue. The technology is playing catch-up.

Implemented, HTML5 EMF will be serious DRM in streaming and recorded videos. It will use Clearkey and Clearkey servers to decode the encryption to authorized copies only. The bugs are currently being worked out.

Pirated copies will be useless (paperweights).

420

What motivates people on the internet? Money and recognition.

Arnox

Limited issue with video sites for camgirls, especially on MFC. They don't make most of their money via private, so you can just go to My Free Cams and see it live.

The only problem is the fact that SERPs can be dominated with videos of camgirls, driving away potential traffic from the site and women themselves.

It's why I push cams more and more these days. People who are going to pay aren't doing so because they feel it's the only way to see these girls naked.

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chloelewis

The encrypted streams will not help because you can still record your screen. It will make impossible to record the stream data, but you can still record your screen playing back the data.

File lockers are full of screen recordings

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Relentless

Until the first asshat figures out how to record his screen with a hack or holds his iPhone up to film the scene and upload it elsewhere. If you can see it with your eyes, you can record it and share it. No DRM exists that will prevent that. The real problem is that it only takes ONE asshat to do it and the cracked or filmed file is released into the wild for everyone else to copy and share as they did before.

The only real solutions to piracy will be cultural ones. When people get tired of their favorite television shows only making 8 episodes per season, are annoyed that 'no good movies get made anymore' and all the rest... they will eventually come to grips with the idea that you only get good content when you pay content makers to create it.

We aren't there yet, but we are closer to it than many people think. If content creators really want it to happen, they should start focusing on the youth market. Millenials will never become paying consumers.... the next generation can be trained to pay for what they consume. Disney is the most likely path to make that happen.

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chloelewis

I think it's us who need to sell different. Many people stop buying music but still go to concerts. It's about selling experiences people want. That's why building a brand and knowing your customers is important.

It's like Taylor Swift selling her last CD. People buy it not only for the music but for the experience of being her supporter. People feel good about supporting her, etc. She is good at branding and making her music more than just music. It's an experience.

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lezinterracial

I think you are right on the experience thing. But I think if people were give the option to not pay at a concert, I don't think they would.

On Taylor Swift, I don't think little girls are as good as stealing media yet.

The cam stuff is an experience. Maybe live sex shows? I remember a drive-in adult theater outside El Paso. I went to the adult store attached to it. Didn't got to the drive-in theater part. That looked scary as hell.

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Barry-xlovecam

The shit iphone recording of a screen is possible -- if you want to watch lousy quality to cheat someone out of their royalty you could and I expect some people will ...

Hacking Clearkey EMF will not be trivial ... et will call home ;o)

Barry-xlovecam

So after a few tries I did manage to screen capture EMF with ffmpeg.

So, I hacked it ... I was wrong ...



Same as Flash, you can make pretty good screen captures. What remains to be seen is if the simple addons using the browser's cache to save the stream -- with encrypted flash they cannot [along with EMF encryption (speculated)].



There were some ffmpg updates recently so that my be the reason of the stream x-11 grab failure a few weeks ago maybe?

So, The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) just ''shit a brick''

2MuchMark

Clearly illegal, and the models are being scammed out of serious revenue.

Have you reported it to the billing provider? This can sometimes be faster than reporting it to the host.

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Barry-xlovecam

The problem is that they think: That because they can see it free, it is in the public domain. Any performance intended for some profit is copyright. But just like all laws, drug laws would be a good example -- laws don't work in the long run.

I don't think Models are not being scammed out of real revenues, they are being scammed out of their Rights of Publicity see: Publicity | LII / Legal Information Institute. This is in respect of the recording of "scheduled or paid for performances."

The only way to stop this is to go back to living in caves -- seriously. Before the internet people used vcr camcorders, before that photographs. We would have to go back to painted illustrations ... that won't work.

What would work are new streams of revenue ...
Maybe in a digital world the old concepts of copyright and profit are dead.

Relentless

Don't feel bad about being wrong Barry. You are of an enormous group of people who once thought technology or politics would solve piracy. The simple fact is that they are not cures because they only salve the symptoms, they don't cure the disease.

A culture shift is needed, back to the notion of an honest day's work for an honest day's pay and the corrolary notion that if someone does an honest day's work for you, you should be happy to pay tgem fairly for it. The carrot is that if someone makes a great movie and you pay them well, they will make more movies for you. The stick is that if they don't make money, they stop making movies and you are stuck watching dreck. It really is that simple.

People were pissed that their own work as employees became undervalued and technology allowed them to invert that feeling by taking what they felt they should have been able to afford. Napster was the tipping point.

The sooner we get back to valuing craftsmanship, honest work and a sustainable culture of rewarding the people who create what we enjoy... Because we want them to create more for us...the sooner piracy shrinks like cancer cells after chemo.

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Barry-xlovecam

I don't feel "bad" about being wrong -- I have been wrong about a lot of things over time. "Disappointed but not really surprised" would be more apt ... Clearkey EMF MP4 will reduce the easy availability of unencrypted video and audio media downloads -- consequently limiting the uploading of preformatted infringing content. However, there are workarounds as I have illustrated above.

The model of making expensive content and profiting long term by copyright royalty is going to become more and more limited.

I am working towards user generated content (not porn) in a broadcasting model -- disposable content with most revenue made advertising on the "first run" front end.

Digital media on the Internet has flooded the available content markets. There has been more entertainment content made in the past 20 years than was made in the last century. It is sort of like Moore's Law of content generation. There is a much increased world content making and consuming population connected by the Internet today -- harnessing, serving and profiting from that market is my business model for future development.

trevesty

I'll never understand that line of thinking. Having "modelname @ myfreecams.com" on a video and being all over tubes is just free advertising the same as a sponsor uploading videos with sitename.com on there is. A cam site becoming more popular and having a larger audience to spend money on the model isn't a bad thing, either.


It's almost like nobody on GFY understands the concept of "branding".

InfoGuy

That's dependent on Clearkey staying in business and keeping their servers online. What are the consequences if they go under?

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Agreed. The other coming wave is hostage content.

If George RR Martin announces he will release the next Game of Thrones novel for 'free' as an open source royalty free ebook that people can trade or share at will forever... as soon as he receives 5M in pre-orders... his site would hit that number in a matter of hours.

You'll also see more and more free content (especially porn) as a hook to sell other products rather than as a product itself.

It's a very different model and the only possible way to make money creating expensive content unless the culture changes again....

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Its the same as reddit.. why do people upload pics and post links their, not for money..

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https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/ra...media.html#faq
https://w3c.github.io/encrypted-media/#key-system


Clearkey is an encryption API you run on your own servers and not a outside 'vendor'.

Barry-xlovecam

A lot of models have no interest in becoming a brand -- they are just doing cams to make some money for a purpose and want their privacy when they are done. I doesn't do you any good to have a permanent record of you shoving a dildo ... well, you should know what I mean.

Not all cam girls are making money selling videos of themselves creating a permanent record of questionable behavior when they move on from the business. They get the money to pay for school tuition or some other goal and they are done.

A lot of models don't want to be someones promo tool. If you are going to do well in the cam business these are things you must understand IMHO and from my experiences. If you treat models like persons and not a product to brand and sell you will have longevity.

AdultKing

There is one guy who rips Chaturbate, MyFreeCams and BongaCams shows automatically. He uploads to UpStore & Datafile and makes around $3000 a week all on autopilot.

File lockers make a much larger proportion of that amount as they shave their affiliates hard and also redirect downloaders to toolbar installs and other malware in many cases.

The only way to stop the file lockers is to take their money away.