DamageX

So wait, all journalists are wrong, when they back up their pieces with footage and stats... But you are right, yet you provide fuck all for reference, aside from your own opinions. Based on alleged experiences no one here can even verify. In fact some members here, who have traveled to the "peaceful" countries you claim to have lived in, report totally opposite experiences to yours. Good to know.

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pimpmaster9000

"all" journalists? are you claiming ALL journalists think parts of london are no go zones? HAHAHAHAHA



a few flyers saying "sharia only zone" and a few losers marching the street once in a while does not exactly make it a no-go zone LOL




ok what members? exactly what countries?

is it the slappin fish claim about egypt in this thread? the dude has never been in egypt in his life

you must have a specific example or you are just another guy who has never been anywhere ect...

DamageX

You know what, I'm getting increasingly annoyed by your blanket statements. How about you provide some proof of having been to those countries in the first place?

Besides, most of those news sources carry a lot more weight, especially the BBC, than the opinion of a self-proclaimed truth advocate, with fuck all to prove his arguments.

So unless you can provide some actual facts to back up the statements you're apparently pulling out of your ass, you'd best shut the fuck up. I have repeatedly tried to give you the benefit of a doubt. But you're nothing but a nobody who has nothing better to do than to troll around.

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dude im 42 and travelling in around in europe, and to close by african and middle east countries, is something millions of europeans do...its not exactly a luxury or out of the ordinary...plane tickets cost like 200-300e max and I am not talking about them cheap fly companies

its not like I am claiming to have been on the moon

I find it pointless to prove to you my ability for regional travel...

its not a blanket statement I have been to many islamic countries, they are geographically very close LOL

the media sells fear and sensationalistic stories...1/4 of humanity is not out to get you LOL travel the world a bit you will be surprised

DraX

If I look through the thread and read your answers it's pretty clear to me im wasting my time by posting more.

FYI: Journalists over here is doing all they can to make the muslim community look brighter but I have seen upfront what it's like and it's not any flyers in my face but only dispise towards me as a white cunt. Police, rescue people, mail men etc gets harassed just by showing themself in these areas. Oh and they get stones thrown at them too. Car fires 4-5 times a week. Yes muslims and other lowlife immigrants set cars on fire just to have a fire department over there and then spit on them.

Police needs to go hardcore on these individuals and then OUT with them. They lost all their priviligies by not showing any kind of respect to working people and draining resources deliberately etc.

If I were an immigrant in another country I would make sure to do my best and get somewhere in life.

No thanks, you keep living in your bubble.

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DamageX

In other words, you can't prove jack shit. Hopefully you haven't bred already and never will. I will stand by my opinion that these animals are a cancer and as such they should be eradicated. You stand by whatever the fuck you want. I'm done with you.

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pornmasta

claim this in france and you are a right wing extremist

pornmasta

claim this in france and you are a nazi, you'll be sued, fined and eventually jailed if you continue...

SilentKnight

My ancestors fought and died on the beaches in Normandy to liberate that country - it's high time they put away the white flags and agree that extremist Islamic terrorists ARE a cancer that needs to be eradicated from society.

pornmasta

(no wait nevermind, you explained it correctly)

(yes if he speaks about the extremists it's legal, but it would be illegal for all the muslims)

DamageX

But it's OK for the islamists to march and threaten to eradicate democracy, in the name of Allah.

What a pussified society we're living in...

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pornmasta

neither

you have the right to have moderate left ideas in this country, if not it's not politically correct ("stinky ideas", "racist", extremist...), while only 25% of the population has these ideas... That's how you are free in france...

DamageX

As long as it is my constitutional right to argue my point, I don't give a flying fuck about what others label me as.

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pornmasta

Yes, but i experienced myself a pretty strong social pressure just because i was a troll irl before it was called like that on the internet and this social pressure leads to exclusion.
Call this "my stupidity" if you want or my will to say the opposite of a boring society...

Anyway, the law is here not the point...
Yes, you have still the right to have your opinion and anyway the police doesn't have the means to prosecute you for illegal speeches as long as you are not too stupid (or too visible)

pornmasta

I don't have the same ideas as this (jewish) guy, but read this (in french):

Quand Eric Zemmour imagine la déportation des musulmans français - L'Express

(he claimed that before the attack)

DamageX

So you mean the rest of society will ostracize me and I'd be living alone? Holy shit, that would be fucking awesome!

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pornmasta

I feel the social pressure of my country pretty strong and for me this could lead to this, yes (if you are student, at school...).

the social pressure at work is different

SilentKnight

Sign me up - I could use the peace and quiet.

DamageX

Can we share a cabin in the woods? Perhaps near a lake or river, so I can go trout fishing every once in a while. Must have internet though, otherwise I'd miss fucking around on GFY terribly.

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unabomber spotted !

SilentKnight

My requirements are simple - fully-stocked beer fridge and maid service.

To the OP - apologies for derailing the thread somewhat. Your OP was an interesting read - thanks for sharing your personal experiences and opinions.

DraX

You're on the verge of being annoying. So it's okay to set cars on fire, throwing stones at service workers?

So there shouldnt be any particular demands on immigrants, they are all free to do whatever they like?

What's the whole point of your comment?

You don't happen to work for hollande ?

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DamageX

He's correct though. It's pretty much the same thing all over Western Europe. If you as much as speak out against immigration (Muslim or not) you're automatically labeled as racist. The fact that you raise valid points, such as the costs of immigration, huge unemployment rate among those having arrived during the past 5 years, segregation, lack of adaptation and inability to learn the language, doesn't matter.

The establishment will label you as a racist, because they're afraid that if they acknowledged your points then they themselves would be labeled as racists. But I'm sure you already know this, living where you live.

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the problem is that many people do not differentiate, believe every bullshit they got told and at the end it boils down to "arians only" and you know what happened when we had that the last time

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DamageX

Yeah. Only next time it will be Muslims only, and that will make Hitler look like a saint. He only wanted a 3rd Reich. These guys want the whole world.

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see - prime example for "do not differentiate"

don't know about you but i met quite a few people that come from muslim families and i have yet to meet one that wanted the whole world (or thought stoning is ok or similar)

some years back one of my best friends was a Kurd who drank alcohol like a camel and just didn't eat pork. he had some really sexy sisters and none of them wore a veil - more like tops and mini skirts.

i refuse to accept that all muslims per se are evil and want to kill me

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pimpmaster9000

no you just need to believe that somebody is out to get you...or you are such a poor beggar that the concept of local travel is unimaginable to you

pimpmaster9000

you are talking about criminals...I believe there are criminals in every country who will use any reason to make trouble: religion, skin color, football club affiliation ect ect...police need to crack down hard on scum...

but a large part of the muslim community is not criminal...in fact, a huuuuge part of the muslim community wants nothing to do at all with any hate or crime...muslims make up 1/4 of the planet and the only difference is they believe in a different middle eastern fairly tale than we do...they are homo sapiens...

John-ACWM

It definitely had an impact on us all. With a greater intensity for you living there, I'm sure. Sad, interesting read.

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DamageX

I should've been more specific. I was referring strictly to Islamists, whose ultimate goal is a world encompassing Islamic state. That implies "Muslims only".

I have Muslim friends too and I have no problem with those. In fact, I have a few Muslim families as neighbors, they don't pray, have no problem drinking, don't care about Ramadan and are completely Westernized, short of not eating pork. Their kids go to the same school as my kids. And guess what, Santa came with presents to their kids too!

The majority of Muslims in the West are fairly adapted to the societies they live in and are much more liberal than the ones in their shithole countries of birth. Prime example, the millions of Turks living in Germany, of whom you're undoubtedly aware.

However, more and more of the less liberal ones are allowed to settle in the West. These refuse to adapt and have problems learning the language. Not only that, but as soon as they understand the concept of freedom of religion, they start feeling entitled to all kinds of help from the government. And they start enforcing their religious laws within the neighborhoods they live in, and ultimately within bigger and bigger parts of the country. All under the guise of freedom of religion. Which they simply translate to us having to adapt to their culture, instead of the other way around.

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Slappin Fish

Just to clarify who are you calling SPINELESS CUNTS, it's not the victims is it?

pornmasta

I personnally don't care if they drink or not and for the moment, i have never been asked to change my behavior to comply with muslim standards.
The only thing that could bother me is that i have to pay taxes to pay the social security of migrants.
Anyway, wehateporn is right on a point, some people are ready to lose their freedom to prevent 20 deads per year while it would be unimaginable to do the same thing to prevent road accidents that are far more deadly

MaDalton

i do quite agree to this.

but let me give you an example why we have today more problems than 20 years ago - german example:

Hans Müller and Turgut Ercan went to the same school, have the same grades, finished together, apply for the same job. Guess who gets considered first?

Even though Turgut speaks german with no accent and considers himself as german as Hans is.

And that is why a lot of 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants are frustrated and turn into the wrong direction - whatever they do, they get the short stick - even when they did everything to adapt.

There are a lot of intelligent and well educated young people of turkish origin going back to Turkey cause there they have excellent chances for good jobs.

and that is OUR fault, not theirs.

and those that remain in Germany are the ones that drop out early and fuck everything up

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pornmasta

now replace "turkish" by "algerian" and you know why they don't return in algeria

DamageX

I believe some countries (Sweden?) have implemented trials where the name, nationality and sometimes gender of the applicant are purposefully left out of the equation, in order to combat discrimination.

I am not going to deny that there's racism and xenophobia in many Western countries. But how come some of these immigrants (even first-generation ones, having arrived as adults) do get ahead and succeed, while others claim racism and discrimination?

If you're driving up a hill then just step on the gas harder. If you simply blame the society for your own problems you're shit out of luck and aren't very likely to get anywhere in life.

Yes, it is our fault, but only in part. It's a two way street, we give you, but fucking give something back. If you resign to circumstances and refuse to work for your own success, what's the probability that you'll do well even if you get more help?

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MaDalton

i can see that

they also tried the anonymous method in Germany and some day it might go into law

and while I agree to a certain degree to the rest, it actually applies also to a lot of germans that refuse to work and live from government handouts - while complaining about immigrants

like i said earlier - i just don't like generalizations

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Slappin Fish

True. it's always been a problem for 2nd generation immigrants, now exacerbated by wider cultural differences.

Having said that it's a little too convenient for people like the Kouachi's brothers, Ahmed Merabet was also a 2nd gen not a brain surgeon and according to his family very proud to serve the public.

Many not very bright, sometimes plain stupid, people like the Kouachi brothers finding excuses for their own shortcomings.

DamageX

I don't either. Again, the only problem I have with Islam is Islamism and the attempt to implement Sharia law in full, which would remove many of my freedoms and impose their culture/religion on me.

Other than that I do my best (although I'll admit that it's not always easy) to not pre-judge anyone, Muslims, Christians or what have you. At the end of the day I'm no more than human either.

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MaDalton

absolutely - those guys were nothing but stupid criminals and there is not the slightest excuse ever for what they did - see what I wrote earlier in this thread about muslims having to deal with Mohammed caricatures without killing people


i have the strong feeling that something like sharia would never happen here in CZ - they even made a supermarket chain stop selling halal meat. eastern europe in general is pretty xenophobic

on the other hand i am a foreigner here that doesn't speak the language and my ancestors used to round czech people up and shoot them - that doesn't win you a popularity price right away ;)

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DamageX

And racist. Very often to large minorities of indigenous population, namely gypsies.

Uhm, you still don't speak Czech after so many years of living there? Now who's the one not being able to adapt?

Pro tip, if you spoke Czech then there'd be a lesser chance of being disliked for being a German.

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MaDalton

absolutely..

i know, i know - that's why i am always very careful when it comes to asking others to adapt

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DamageX

At least you're not a hypocrite.

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pimpmaster9000

shooting unarmed people is a spineless cunt thing to do...I was referring to the 2 terrorists and separating them from any race or religion...