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Katemeetsfate · 01-19-2015, 12:10 PM

Now I know Google says to rank well you must have good content and improve user experience. I have plugrush installed with pop unders, so of course it annoy the user, but does it actually have a ranking factor to it?

Thanks

sonofsam · 01-19-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Katemeetsfate

Now I know Google says to rank well you must have good content and improve user experience. I have plugrush installed with pop unders, so of course it annoy the user, but does it actually have a ranking factor to it?

Thanks

Google cares about user experience.

Do users like popups?

Does google want to be sending their users to a site that will annoy their users?

I think you already know the answer to your question, but you're hoping someone will say "it's fine"

johnclark · 01-19-2015, 12:26 PM

I see about a 10-15% bounce rate increase with pops on some sites. But not much change on others. Google takes this into account when ranking I assume so.

baddog · 01-19-2015, 12:28 PM

Stop and think for 10 seconds; do pop unders improve your experience? Of course it is bad SEO

Katemeetsfate · 01-19-2015, 12:30 PM

Then how can I monetise from plugrish, the pop unders is makes the most money for me, it's a double edged sword

Barry-xlovecam · 01-19-2015, 12:33 PM

Tubes have low bounce rates using popunders.

So, it depends on how bad people want your content.

baddog · 01-19-2015, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Katemeetsfate

Then how can I monetise from plugrish, the pop unders is makes the most money for me, it's a double edged sword

You were the one that decided plugrush was a good idea; not me. I am not convinced it is good SEO (would lean against it)

Katemeetsfate · 01-19-2015, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You were the one that decided plugrush was a good idea; not me. I am not convinced it is good SEO (would lean against it)

Ok, what would be your recommendation to monetise traffic which isn't bad for SEO?

sonofsam · 01-19-2015, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Katemeetsfate

Ok, what would be your recommendation to monetise traffic which isn't bad for SEO?

He can't even monetize seowebhost or pimpspromo and he's been at it for over a decade... You think he'll be able to help you?

The fact that he is even marketing a hosting company as an "seo host" shows how much he doesn't understand SEO..

If you want advice, look elsewhere

ITraffic · 01-19-2015, 01:09 PM

the tubes that literally dominate every adult serp must be doing something wrong then.

Katemeetsfate · 01-19-2015, 01:27 PM

I was thinking maybe you should only introduce pop unders once you have thousands of visits a day. But not when you're starting out.

baddog · 01-19-2015, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Katemeetsfate

Ok, what would be your recommendation to monetise traffic which isn't bad for SEO?

The same way we did it before people started creating scripts like Plugrush.

SpyCam · 01-19-2015, 01:57 PM

Everything that distracts users from consuming your content decreases their engagement. You need to find a golden middle between user engagement and site monetization.

johnny_d · 01-19-2015, 01:57 PM

I would say, that I would not worry about it, but if you are asking, it may be actually a sign that it is a ranking factor for them. These are examples of websites, which use popunders, and have a lot of traffic from Google, at the same time (I am sure there is a lot more, these are the only two that I've checked):

PornHub.com
PornTube.com

aka123 · 01-20-2015, 03:36 AM

That Matt guy has said that it doesn't matter per se. But if it increases bounce rate and so on, that matters.

I use pop-unders those come when you click a link (page element). So basically there is much less bounces because of pop-unders.

johnny_d · 01-20-2015, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

That Matt guy has said that it doesn't matter per se. But if it increases bounce rate and so on, that matters.

I use pop-unders those come when you click a link (page element). So basically there is much less bounces because of pop-unders.

What they say is not what it is with Google.com.

Jel · 01-20-2015, 03:52 AM

popunders have been TERRIBLE for all the tubes and torrent sites that rank absolutely nowhere. oh, wait...

Jel · 01-20-2015, 03:55 AM

lol, who the fuck closes a popunder then backs straight out of the page that gave it? this thread is funny

Markul · 01-20-2015, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Katemeetsfate

Ok, what would be your recommendation to monetise traffic which isn't bad for SEO?

Make sure that you advertisement on the site is integrated in a way that makes the visitor want to click it - rather than force it on them (overlays, pop-unders etc).

PornDiscounts-R · 01-20-2015, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

popunders have been TERRIBLE for all the tubes and torrent sites that rank absolutely nowhere. oh, wait...

Thanks... Lunch all over my keyboard now

gebu · 01-20-2015, 04:49 AM

Everything is bad for SEO

mopek1 · 01-20-2015, 04:53 AM

Don't worry about what google wants or says.

If you can get and keep people to your site and they stay awhile you'll rank fine - most of the time.

Katemeetsfate · 01-20-2015, 06:08 AM

I tested today with no pop unders. 45% bounce rate. Before was 60%
It's worth noting that most of my visitors are mobile users. Therefore they get a pop up. No such thing as pop unders for mobile.

aka123 · 01-20-2015, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny_d

What they say is not what it is with Google.com.

What is that supposed to mean? If the guy at Google who is in big part responsible for these stuff tells something, you say it has no value? Or that he is lying?

PAR · 01-20-2015, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Katemeetsfate

Then how can I monetise from plugrish, the pop unders is makes the most money for me, it's a double edged sword

1- Popups are not a deal breaker for SEO...
(it's the resulting bounce rate that can affect the rankings...)
If that was the case then most the top listed sites in adult and other markets wouldn't be running pops..

2- If you dont want to use a popup just use a full page flex ad...
http://www.iab.net/media/file/IAB-mo...ch_specs.p df

They also work as a great alternative to redirecting mobile traffic....
Redirecting mobile traffic will get you bitch slapped by Google...

PAR · 01-20-2015, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Katemeetsfate

I tested today with no pop unders. 45% bounce rate. Before was 60%
It's worth noting that most of my visitors are mobile users. Therefore they get a pop up. No such thing as pop unders for mobile.

Mobile popunder logic..
User load site in Tab A
User triggers Pop by clicking on a link to a video
Tab A = redirects to the url of the popunder
Tab B *new tab* = video page the user wanted opens in the forground

Katemeetsfate · 01-20-2015, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PAR

Mobile popunder logic..
User load site in Tab A
User triggers Pop by clicking on a link to a video
Tab A = redirects to the url of the popunder
Tab B *new tab* = video page the user wanted opens in the forground

Unless you visit a website within an app like Twitter, then it will seem like a straight redirect and no way of going back unless you close the website and click the link again. (at least on an iPhone)

PAR · 01-20-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Katemeetsfate

Unless you visit a website within an app like Twitter, then it will seem like a straight redirect and no way of going back unless you close the website and click the link again. (at least on an iPhone)

Have a look at how pornhub does their mobile pop for IOS...

baddog · 01-20-2015, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PAR

Have a look at how pornhub does their mobile pop for IOS...

Then get as many incoming links as them and you will be set. Pretty simple.

PAR · 01-20-2015, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Then get as many incoming links as them and you will be set. Pretty simple.

Not 100% sure what inbound links have to do with outlining the method used to create an IOS popunder... The method is outlined in an earlier post and is the same method used by pornhub and a long list of other sites that could be used as working examples of a functioning popunder for IOS...

That said yes, if someone wants to increase their SEO score proper back links and methods are needed. As well as a long list of other good practice methods. But I'm not about to write a 10 page post on how to do proper SEO...

At any rate the post was with regards to IOS popunder and that it is possible.
Not if people should do it or not...

Personally I like full page flex ads as an alternative to redirects and popups.

johnny_d · 01-20-2015, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123

What is that supposed to mean? If the guy at Google who is in big part responsible for these stuff tells something, you say it has no value? Or that he is lying?

I am not saying that, lets say, all videos of Matt Cuts have no value, but I would not trust what they say 100%. What they say and the reality does not align. Ie. Cutts would say - never buy links - and a lot of xxx people do that, and this is how they get good results. So if you listen to what they say, you lose.

aka123 · 01-20-2015, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny_d

I am not saying that, lets say, all videos of Matt Cuts have no value, but I would not trust what they say 100%. What they say and the reality does not align. Ie. Cutts would say - never buy links - and a lot of xxx people do that, and this is how they get good results. So if you listen to what they say, you lose.

You don't seem to get it. What they say, is that how their system works and what they want from people. Of course you can try to "play the game". You can rob a store too, even if police says "Don't rob a store." They don't give you advices how to play dirty. And I don't think that anyone will even expect that they would.

sandman! · 01-20-2015, 02:50 PM

it dont hurt too much

brassmonkey · 01-20-2015, 02:53 PM

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C4W · 01-20-2015, 05:19 PM

Popunders are fine for seo and good for you wallet,

mopek1 · 01-20-2015, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123

You don't seem to get it. What they say, is that how their system works and what they want from people. Of course you can try to "play the game". You can rob a store too, even if police says "Don't rob a store." They don't give you advices how to play dirty. And I don't think that anyone will even expect that they would.

I don't think he (johnny_d) was saying that.

I think he was trying to say that google will not tell you the best way to rank. They will have Matt Cutts say some things that are true and some that are not. They will give good pieces of advice which will help you rank but also may hinder it.

mopek1 · 01-20-2015, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Then get as many incoming links as them and you will be set. Pretty simple.

Yep ......

candyflip · 01-20-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

He can't even monetize seowebhost or pimpspromo and he's been at it for over a decade... You think he'll be able to help you?

The fact that he is even marketing a hosting company as an "seo host" shows how much he doesn't understand SEO..

If you want advice, look elsewhere

I had a client tell me today that he hired a friend of his wife to do their SEO because she said she was capable.

She hasn't done anything but keywords in meta tags. When he mentioned this to me, I actually pictured Baddog in my mind.

AlexTmz · 01-21-2015, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

I had a client tell me today that he hired a friend of his wife to do their SEO because she said she was capable.

She hasn't done anything but keywords in meta tags. When he mentioned this to me, I actually pictured Baddog in my mind.

aka123 · 01-21-2015, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

I don't think he (johnny_d) was saying that.

I think he was trying to say that google will not tell you the best way to rank. They will have Matt Cutts say some things that are true and some that are not. They will give good pieces of advice which will help you rank but also may hinder it.

Well, yea. Google's goal is to give good search results, not to make you rank well. Your goal on the other hand may be to get your shit to rank well, no matter how shit it is or how irrelevant.

And what might be the kind of thing that Matt would say to hinder your search results, or say something that isn't true? Any examples? And please, let's consider that we are playing by the rules. Matt doesn't advice how to hack Google and to make your site appear in every search result as a only result. Obviously he won't advice how to play dirty.

mopek1 · 01-21-2015, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

Well, yea. Google's goal is to give good search results, not to make you rank well. Your goal on the other hand may be to get your shit to rank well, no matter how shit it is or how irrelevant.

And what might be the kind of thing that Matt would say to hinder your search results, or say something that isn't true? Any examples? And please, let's consider that we are playing by the rules. Matt doesn't advice how to hack Google and to make your site appear in every search result as a only result. Obviously he won't advice how to play dirty.

Google's goal is to make money and to provide search that is good enough, not the best for users.

Matt Cutts is a PR face. He denies the existence of negative SEO to hurt rankings (which was obviously not true) and he also told us the disavow tool would actually work in our favor, which it doesn't.

aka123 · 01-21-2015, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

Google's goal is to make money and to provide search that is good enough, not the best for users.

Matt Cutts is a PR face. He denies the existence of negative SEO to hurt rankings (which was obviously not true) and he also told us the disavow tool would actually work in our favor, which it doesn't.

Why Google wouldn't want to offer best search (within the frames of profitability)?

I don't get that negative SEO stuff. Just few messages above there were stuff about buying links; how Matt advices against that; and here you tell that Matt denies the existence of negative SEO, that could hurt rankings. LOL

Or do you mean to hurt others people's sites rankings?

Well, the thing that we are even having this conversations proves that you guys are so deep into "playing the game" that you don't even see the big picture anymore. Every message is pretty much about fighting against Google. And when Matt tells how to rank better by going by the rules; that is something evil. You even fight against me just because I told something that Matt told.

johnny_d · 01-21-2015, 06:22 AM

Doing things according to what Google / Matt Cutts say has (long term) value, but at the same time this is not how things get done / achieved by the most successful / profitable people / companies making / working on xxx sites.

aka123 · 01-21-2015, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny_d

Doing things according to what Google / Matt Cutts say has (long term) value, but at the same time this is not how things get done / achieved by the most successful / profitable people / companies making / working on xxx sites.

I don't get from where you got the idea that the sayings of Matt would be some kind of a Bible that would have to be followed literally. Certainly I haven't said so. Can't you just take a hint and leave it there.

I said that Matt said that pop-unders doesn't matter per se. That is all.

Jel · 01-21-2015, 06:39 AM

matt cutts isn't the western equivalent of comical ali at all, no sir.

fappingJack · 01-21-2015, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

Google cares about user experience.

Do users like popups?

Does google want to be sending their users to a site that will annoy their users?

I think you already know the answer to your question, but you're hoping someone will say "it's fine"

Very well said

ITraffic · 01-21-2015, 06:43 AM

what ranks in the serps is what works. the end.

experience > theory.

Focus · 01-21-2015, 06:44 AM

There Is No Such Thing As SEO.

fuck popunders

aka123 · 01-21-2015, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fappingJack

Very well said

If the only user experience in your site is pop-ups.

On most sites; the site's value for visitors is a sum from a larger group of things than just pop-ups.

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johnny_d Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 827	I would say, that I would not worry about it, but if you are asking, it may be actually a sign that it is a ranking factor for them. These are examples of websites, which use popunders, and have a lot of traffic from Google, at the same time (I am sure there is a lot more, these are the only two that I've checked): PornHub.com PornTube.com

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