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02-06-2015, 03:15 PM | #151 | |
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frank mir is only 20lb lighter than brock he is a big big guy...and he lost like a bitch in the 2nd fight...he was brocks human punching bag in both fights... |
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If only we could have gotten him into the cage in his prime. At 1,230 pounds, by a matter of "basic physics" he would have beat anyone!! Just imagine if Mike Tyson or Jon Jones or anyone else would have hit his massive body with their tiny hands. They would have exploded from the impact with his girth!! Weight is all that matters? Really... ? |
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2nd Fight. Brock won with strikes. I don't think your argument really holds much water.
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You may have missed this part here...
The part where Brock tapped to avoid having his leg broken by a man who weighed much less than him: Watch in slow motion... and show me where Brock 'dominated him for the whole fight' ;) |
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if you want me to comment on the video do not put in a slow motion of only the part where mir did the leg lock and leave out the bulk of the fight where mir was brocks human punching bag...
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I've wasted enough time here. Video for everyone to see how a very technical small man will beat a larger/stronger opponent in BJJ.
Marcelo Garcia vs Former UFC CHampion Arlovski Marcelo Garcia vs. Former UFC Champion, Andre Arvloski Training No Gi BJJ Submission Grappling - YouTube I like it when Marcelo tells Andre he's very strong.
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Who do you train with, and who are you instructors? If they aren't teaching you how to control someone No Gi, you either have poor instructors, or you don't listen well to instruction and mostly likely the meat head that powers and muscles out of everything.
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but its not god like powers its average powers you are high it the clouds with your head in your dream world where royce is unbeatable by a 60lb+ guy...wake up LOL
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Royces is just the subject here because he was brought up. I frankly don't think you could beat anyone over blue belt.
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now what good is technique when the guy you are fighting is slippery? give me one example... ill be fair and give you an example of how you can control with brute force: squeeze like a mother fucker and he will slip LESS... use your brain... thats ok |
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You said Brock "dominated him for the whole fight" - and in English that means "even including the slow motion part of the video I posted where Mir was breaking his leg." So, explain to me how exactly Brock was dominating Mir by tapping out during the part of the fight that actually generated the result of the fight... Thanks.
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in the second fight mir was brocks punching bag for the entire fight... |
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From Top off the top of my head. Any way you can control one shoulder and head movement you can control your opponent. There are 4 parts you need to control, both hips, and both shoulders. Control one cross section, you control you opponent. Side mount, you can use a side mount crucifix, you have shoulder of justice. Back, you have over and under seatbelt Mount itself with grapevines. From Bottom De La Riva Xguard Rubber Guard Lockdown 50/50 Guard Closed Guard Butterfly Guard Overhook Guard Shit I can keep going. [/quote] Quote:
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Let's break it all down into 6 easy to understand concepts for you: 1 - Mir won the fight 2 - Mir could have broken Brock's leg easily if he wanted to do so 3 - Brock was infinitely more advanced at MMA than Tyson (according to Tyson) 4 - Mir WON THE FIGHT 5 - Mir weighed 25 pounds less than Brock 6 - MIR WON THE FUCKING FIGHT |
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Glory is on tonight Anthony on Spike at 9pm ET. - it's always worth watching if you appreciate striking. There is a heavyweight championship bout as well. Or as Bruce Lee would have called it "fights and fighters that are pussies I could destroy simply because I was the chauffeur in Green Hornet, bitches"
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1) I used the physics to demonstrate that Bruce Lees "1 inch punch" is clearly fake. Something he demonstrated time and time again for the naive masses to oooh and awe at. Where do you EVER hear about this amazing technique today? You don't. It was never real. 2) no one said anything about weight being the end all be all of fighting. You boxed yourself into making that argument to avoid he obvious fact that weight matters a great deal and offers a distinct advantage between two trained fighters. That is not something that can be argued against and once again, let me point out that your beloved UFC started with no weight classes and had to move to weight classes for what is an obvious reason to any sane person. Lastly, I cannot speak for Anthony But... You haven't spent a great deal of your life punching and getting punching, kicking and getting kicked, taking people down and getting taken down, submitting and being submitted nor have you spent any time in any traditional Chinese or Japanese styles of martial arts as both Anthony and I have. When I owned a martial arts school, I made it a point to study or familiarize myself every fighting system I could because I found myself Increasingly fascinated with all of the silly cult like bullshit surrounding them. I am currently training for a very big fight - and doing it just because I really love the sport and I love the science of fighting. What do you do related to the topic besides talk in circles? Our comments come from experience, yours come from watching old movies. In the case of assessing Bruce Lees abilities, your opinions come from watching choreographed fight scenes and as has been pointed out countless times, he was NEVER a fighter, a simple fact would any reasonable person would factor in to the assessment of his ability to fight an actual fighter. |
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I don't do jujitsu but I've been around it a lot and a lot of black belts on mma gyms. Never heard anyone ever say something like they could easily submit Hoyce Gracie. Kinda funny. Though there can be a huge gap in ability within same belts, I'm still betting on the guy who dedicated his life to it and did nothing but complete. Also funny to mention "no GI" as a disadvantage from him. I don't think he fought any UFC or other mma opponents that were wearing a GI ;)
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you disqualified my "squeeze harder" argument as amateur but being able to exert a lot of force means a lot when grabbing a body part that is slippery...I have big hands and find it easier to control my opponents by grabbing their wrists and ankles in a no-gi fight...and yes squeezing like a mother fucker will sometimes prevent them from moving and can gain me an advantage in position or a finish...being able to stand the fuck up, because I am a slippery gorilla, means a lot in a fight...you keep disqualifying strength in a wrestling match LOL come on man...dont be such a romantic LOL |
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Your reading comprehension is so atrocious, you actually agreed with what I said, thereby negating your own argument.
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Justice!!!!
LOLLOLOL ant will no why I am laughing.... ;) Seems like any thread on gfy...ever. ;) People who KNOW through experience and learning, arguing with people who could not buy a clue. and of course...relentless...living up to his name ;) and me coming in posting gratuitous winky faces... ;)
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no-gi is another story and any super heavy fighter could do the same to a 60lb lighter man... yes rocye fought guys who are no gi but they were completely dumb to any sort of ground work or submission wrestling...had the guys been in GI royce would have finished them 5x easier and earlier...if royce had a choice he would have chosen all his opponents wear a gi and he himslef goes no gi...this is a no brainer to anybody who knows anything about martial arts...royce himself did not wear a gi in the UFC for the same reason I would not wear one against royce |
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What !?!?!?!?!?! ;)
You finally accept it looks just like a San Franciscan domestic dispute!!!! Myself and others have, literally ,spent weeks of time trying to get you to admit this!! ;)
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Uhmm..... you have to be just making up random bullshit at this point... or you're just really young and know nothing about his fights and history.
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I believe he did in UFC1 and used it to choke the bitch.LOL I mean as you say anyone that knows anything...maybe I am wrong...but I am not an expert on the Gi and who wears it , like you claim to be. ;)
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Yes, that is correct.... Sorry if the sarcasm wasn't obvious enough
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I am not a practitioner, but I have been told by experts that "BJJ is only gay if you make eye contact..." ;)
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As i understand, the original general rule was "its only gay if you push back" - the proliferation of BJJ and the necessity to resist/defend which may include "pushing back", made it necessary to then amend the rule and require "eye contact" to be gay.
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It's a loving type of move, remind me to show you.
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Being able to grab someone and pull them between your legs without making eye contact is one of the things they test you for purple belt.
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Here is what happens when a submission fighter does an exhibition against an amateur...
Joe Lauzon vs Timmy The Tooth starts at 5 Minutes in: The same thing would happen to any one dimensional boxer |
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This is why i could never teach stuff like this. I'd be giving lectures all day to white belts about how to make erections go away, how to get a proper erection, what to do about an erection pressing against you, how to use an erection to distract your opponent, how to avoid hurting your erection, recommending Cialis for advanced, more agressive techniques etc. just to really fuck with people.
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I am too lazy to search but I know royce competed with no -gi later on in the fights where grabbing the GI was actually allowed... |
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The morning classes usually consists of the older guys, who run their own biz, docs, professionals, etc. Every gym they are referred to as the "Viagra Crew".
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Awesome. Thanks for that.
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People have no idea how good Rogan was/is... he was a champion at Tae Kwon Do and trains with pretty much everyone. He could likely have competed... if he could ever manage to pass a drug test...
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Oh man you guys kill me!! LOL
I was JOKING about Lee and Kareem. Didn't anyone see Game Of Death? Of course as a black man in America Tyson, like ALL black men (and women, and other races, too) faced discrimination. But that is NOW, not 1958. Mike Tyson ain't no Jackie Robinson is all I am saying, while Bruce Lee is as important to the Asian community as Mr. Robinson is to blacks (and should be to all Americans). What Lee faced, WHEN he faced it, was tougher than what Tyson faced when he faced it (especially after Japan's defeat in WWII - and yes, I know Lee wasn't Japanese but stoopid Americans hated ANY Asian back then). This is not a knock on Tyson or black men (or anyone). Finally, when Lee was actually kicking ass, it was the late fifties/early sixties. Remember the Zapruder film (JFK assassination)? Remember how shitty that looks? This is the quality of any films we would have left of Lee fighting, and some do exist of Lee in competitions with other Chinese Masters. Y'all have taken too many blows to the head in the ring. I prefer blows to the cock. Cock...ring...hmmm... Finally, what are we talking here, fight in a ring with a ref or a street fight in a dark alley? And with or without nunchuks? Man I ain't interested if there ain't no nunchuks!!
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The bunny on the right is definitely heavier... so that automatically makes it a 5-1 favorite... even if the other bunny has a ton more skill
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Now here's a picture I can get behind! (Tho the imagery of me getting behind a couple of bunnies is rather troublesome.)
Make bunnies, not War (Machine?).
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yes I missed a decade of watching fights in the 90-s because there was war in my 3rd world shit hole and after that the dial up modem net was good for downloading one jpeg every 2 min
look there are only 2 fighters to win in the absolute ADCC under 200lb glavao and estima...the other 10 champs are heavy or super heavy... ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as for the BJJ world championships maybe 2-3 fighters have won the absolute that are under 200lb in the last 18 years... World Jiu-Jitsu Championship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia this is hard evidence that weight matters a lot even in BJJ let alone no-gi... royce competed last time at 66kg thats a whopping 7 categories difference I easily go to 100+...he would humiliate me in GI...it would be an honour for me to be considered as a GI sparring partner and I would video tape my humiliation and watch in pride at home...but I would win a shameful victory by sheer brute force in no gi...no 66kg man in the world can bend my hand because I will not stand idly by, I am a strong, slippery, hyper active mother fucker who has 10 years BJJ experience...its simply not going to happen in grappling from a guy 7 categories under me in weight... roger gracie on the other hand could beat me if he was shot in both legs cyborg could beat me with a sword poking though his body LOL tyson would KO me even today in his shape but royce would lose in grappling I hate to admit it he is one of my heroes and I would not do it to him, I would fight technically and lose miserably... |