Japan now has more EV chargers than petrol stations

[2MuchMark]

Go Japan!

Japan now has more EV chargers than petrol stations : Renew Economy

Maybe hopefully Canada and the US will catch up soon.

[Captain Kawaii]

The new LEAFs are pretty cool. They glow at night.

[Ferus]

Numbers include private outlets, so it total bullshit marketing linkspam.

If you have been traveling in Japan, you would know as well

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Numbers include private outlets, so it total bullshit marketing linkspam.

If you have been traveling in Japan, you would know as well

He's not the brightest bulb on the tree.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Numbers include private outlets, so it total bullshit marketing linkspam.

If you have been traveling in Japan, you would know as well

Well, the fact of anything relating to autos on the upswing in Japan is remarkable. Under 30 crowd is not buying like they used to. When secure, permanent jobs disappeared so did car sales. Inspections, required every 2 years can run up to $2,000 and gas at $1.50+ a litre is not helping. Just to get a license you have to go to school and that can run $3,000 for nihonjin and $4,000 for a gaijin. No school, no drivers license.

PLUS, to be able to register a car in your town, and you must, one has to prove they have a parking space. Insurance? I'm afraid to even ask.

The up-tick in EV charge stations will probably also depend on how long it takes for Japanese to get fed up with their cars (battery and gas operated) sometimes turning off at stop lights.

[elmy]

great news

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Numbers include private outlets, so it total bullshit marketing linkspam.

If you have been traveling in Japan, you would know as well

Hi Ferus,

It's not Bullshit at all. It basically means that there are more sources of "fuel" for electric cars than there are sources of gasoline for gas powered cars. An EV driver can charge at home or at an EV charging station.

Originally Posted by baddog

He's not the brightest bulb on the tree.

And you, my good friend, don't even try anymore.

[RebelR]

Originally Posted by **********

Hi Ferus,

It's not Bullshit at all. It basically means that there are more sources of "fuel" for electric cars than there are sources of gasoline for gas powered cars. An EV driver can charge at home or at an EV charging station.

But isn't that like saying, I have a Jerry Can in my garage. I'm now a gas station, since I can fill up at home?

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Numbers include private outlets, so it total bullshit marketing linkspam.

If you have been traveling in Japan, you would know as well

By private outlet you are referring to charging stations installed in the home.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by **********

Hi Ferus,

It's not Bullshit at all. .

It is. At least 90% of people would assume you are talking about EV stations (as in like gas stations in public).

If you want to count private EV "stations" then the smarter way would be to compare how many people could charge in that versus public petrol station. So lets count like 10.000 people for petrol station and 1 for that private EV "station".
That would paint a more accurate picture.

Your version in the Op is just a HUGE SPIN twisting the views and deliberately misguiding people (as I said about 90% who would think the way it is actually not).

And good example by rebel of having a petrol tank in a garage and counting it as petrol station

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by RebelR

But isn't that like saying, I have a Jerry Can in my garage. I'm now a gas station, since I can fill up at home?

Well actually it is. Think about it like this : You can "fill up" at a charging station anywhere, whether its a commercial one that you pay a fee to use, or you can "fill up" with your own charging station. Either way, you aren't buying gas.

Or put another way, the number of sources for energy for electric cars in Japan has now exceeded the sources of energy for gasoline cars.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by slapass

By private outlet you are referring to charging stations installed in the home.

Hi Slapass,


Yes I think that is what Ferrus was referring to.

There's another / another way to look at it. A lot of home charger owners advertising their homes as charging stations and invite strangers driving through to stop and charge. There's even an app that shows those people on the map. I've never used it myself and probably never would, but it is something that at least some people do...

[MaDalton]

well - you need more when they only do 100 miles at once

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by RebelR

But isn't that like saying, I have a Jerry Can in my garage. I'm now a gas station, since I can fill up at home?

I don't have a dog in this fight. In fact i don't even have a dog. However a charging station is a charging station no matter where it is. It will charge a car completely and then another and another. Quite a bit different than having a gas can in your garage.


QED

[TheSquealer]

The U.S. And Canada just need more nuclear reactors.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The U.S. And Canada just need more nuclear reactors.

Ugh...i am not a fan of nuclear power. I always thought of it as the lazy approach. Best used for when you are without other options.

[RebelR]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I don't have a dog in this fight. In fact i don't even have a dog. However a charging station is a charging station no matter where it is. It will charge a car completely and then another and another. Quite a bit different than having a gas can in your garage.


QED

My point was to illustrate the bias of the article more than anything and to play Devils Advocate. Using sensationalist headlines to promote a rosy view of the actual truth is not what I think is responsible reporting. Even the article states that when you compare the number of gas pumps, it exceeds the number of "charging stations"

PS. Shame about not having a dog

[dyna mo]

it's completely inaccurate to compare a gas station with multiple pumps to 1 charging station that can only charge 1 car at a time, in addition to many of those charging stations being private. be a lot more accurate to figure in the # of pumps per station, not counting private homes, etc.

this is nothing more than nissan trying to sell cars.

[Jman]

Originally Posted by **********

Hi Ferus,

It's not Bullshit at all. It basically means that there are more sources of "fuel" for electric cars than there are sources of gasoline for gas powered cars. An EV driver can charge at home or at an EV charging station.




And you, my good friend, don't even try anymore.

LOL l'ampoule au vieux chien es éteinte depuis un bon bout je crois

[RebelR]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's completely inaccurate to compare a gas station with multiple pumps to 1 charging station that can only charge 1 car at a time, in addition to many of those charging stations being private. be a lot more accurate to figure in the # of pumps per station, not counting private homes, etc.

this is nothing more than nissan trying to sell cars.

I'm cool with them lumping all pumps as one station. As long as all apartment complexes and office buildings with multiple charging stations, count as one station also.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by RebelR

I'm cool with them lumping all pumps as one station. As long as all apartment complexes and office buildings with multiple charging stations, count as one station also.

I wonder how many apartment/offices have ~10 charging stations like most all gas stations have pumps?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I don't have a dog in this fight. In fact i don't even have a dog. However a charging station is a charging station no matter where it is. It will charge a car completely and then another and another. Quite a bit different than having a gas can in your garage.


QED

That's a bingo!

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The U.S. And Canada just need more nuclear reactors.

I agree. I'll get a serious beating for saying this, but Nuclear is safer than coal.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Ugh...i am not a fan of nuclear power. I always thought of it as the lazy approach. Best used for when you are without other options.

True. I'd rather see a lot more solar and wind turbine generators, but Nuclear reactors, especially the new ones now being designed, would be much better than more coal and oil.

Originally Posted by RebelR

My point was to illustrate the bias of the article more than anything and to play Devils Advocate. Using sensationalist headlines to promote a rosy view of the actual truth is not what I think is responsible reporting. Even the article states that when you compare the number of gas pumps, it exceeds the number of "charging stations"

PS. Shame about not having a dog

But the title is : "Japan now has more EV chargers than petrol stations : Renew Economy", so is it wrong?

I'll admit that if you read the title quickly, you assume they are comparing Public / Paying Charging stations to Public / Paying Gas stations, and not including home stations, but in reality public and private charging stations are the same in this context.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's completely inaccurate to compare a gas station with multiple pumps to 1 charging station that can only charge 1 car at a time, in addition to many of those charging stations being private. be a lot more accurate to figure in the # of pumps per station, not counting private homes, etc.

I disagree. What difference does it make if you charge your car at home, or charge it at a station? It takes about the same amount of time, and the cost is similar. If you think about it from the drivers point of view, he now has more choices to get his "fuel".

I'll agree that it's slightly bent, and that sure its a talking point that Nissan can use to sell more cars, but is this really that much of a stretch?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by **********

Nuclear is safer than coal.

I guess I'm "pro-nuclear" power as well.

But having said that...I was just watching the History Channel "Modern Marvels" about nuclear.

And they brought up that there is about 270,000 tons of nuclear waste (and growing daily).

It is stored in containers and buried. And a LOT of it is slowly leaking into drinking water.

I would think that would make the claims of fracking messing up drinking water look like a walk in the park by comparison.

[CaptainHowdy]

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I guess I'm "pro-nuclear" power as well.

But having said that...I was just watching the History Channel "Modern Marvels" about nuclear.

And they brought up that there is about 270,000 tons of nuclear waste (and growing daily).

It is stored in containers and buried. And a LOT of it is slowly leaking into drinking water.

I would think that would make the claims of fracking messing up drinking water look like a walk in the park by comparison.

Those are the old-style reactors. What we should have are these new ones:

Next-generation nuclear reactors that use radioactive waste materials as fuel

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

The U.S. And Canada just need more nuclear reactors.

I'm in for this too, especially if we figure out a way to fuel it with hippies tears.

[MaDalton]

nuclear is safe and clean... yeah, right...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

nuclear is safe and clean... yeah, right...

like cajun food!

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

nuclear is safe and clean... yeah, right...

safER, and cleanER, yes...

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by **********

Those are the old-style reactors. What we should have are these new ones:

Next-generation nuclear reactors that use radioactive waste materials as fuel

I just read that. It says that the waste materials toxicity would be reduced to "only" a few hundred years instead of 100,000 years.

How does that change the fact that all that waste is leaking into the water supplies?

Also, none of those reactors is even in a planning stage to be built. All we have in the U.S. (because of environmental "concerns" stopping new ones from being built) are ancient 40+ year old nuclear power plants.