BFT3K

Good for him!

Obama rejects Keystone XL bill - CNN.com

Vendzilla

Has there been an environmental impact study done that says it's a bad thing?
Because The State Department concluded in its final environmental assessment issued Friday that the proposed Keystone XL pipeline would be unlikely to alter global greenhouse gas emissions, but officials cautioned that they are still weighing whether the project would meet the test of President Obama’s broader climate strategy.

State Department releases Keystone XL final environmental impact statement - The Washington Post

President Obama said in June that he would sign off on the proposal only if it “does not significantly exacerbate the climate problem.”

Guess he lied, but we are use to that!

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

BFT3K

Looks like 35 permanent jobs down the tubes... oh well.

I guess the Republitards should regroup now, and vote to defund Obama Care for the 58th or 59th time.

dyna mo

yeah, much safer with much less environmental impact and certainly much more efficient to continue to ship that oil by truck and rail car.

thanks Obama!

Vendzilla

Of course, building a pipeline is entirely new

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

BFT3K

It's not more efficient - that's the point. Why should we enable a foreign corporation to transport the dirtiest of goop across US land, only to be sold on the international market?

Are you American? Do you think Americans should have to bow down to foreign corporations?

Amendments were added to the bill by the Dems, but were rejected by the anti-American Koch sucking party...

Republicans have been trying to convince the American people that the Keystone XL pipeline will reduce our dependence on foreign oil and that it will create American jobs. Yet on Tuesday they voted to table an amendment introduced by Sen. Edward Markey (D-MA) and Sen Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) that would have required keeping the pipeline oil in the United States for domestic use. Republicans unanimously rejected bringing up the amendment to a floor vote. So much for reducing America?s dependence on foreign oil. As critics have repeatedly pointed out, the proposed Keystone XL pipeline will not reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil because the oil will be exported, after it passes through America?s midsection. Republicans proved that point by explicitly voting down any efforts to keep the pipeline oil here.

Republicans also rejected an amendment proposed by Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) to require that if the pipeline is approved, it must be built with American iron and steel. Every Republican, except North Carolina Senator Richard Burr, voted to table that amendment as well. So much for caring about American jobs. Every Democratic Senator approved of the Franken amendment, including pipeline supporters like Heidi Heitkamp (ND), Joe Donnelly (IN), Mark Warner (VA), Joe Manchin (WV), Claire McCaskill (MO), and Jon Tester (MT). Every Democratic Senator except Heitkamp, Warner, and Manchin also supported the Markey-Baldwin amendment.

BFT3K

It's like looking at a map of disastrous pollution and leakage and saying, "Hey, we already have tons of this asinine shit going on already, why not add some more!"

Cool logic

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Brent 3dSexCash

Because it is such a better idea to buy it from environmental friendly countries such as Saudi Arabia and Venezuela right?

Do you have any idea how much it sucks to live in Saudi Arabia as a female? Do you have any idea how much damage Venezuela does to the environment when they produce oil? The more oil we cant get from places like Canada, the more we have to get and support terrible places like Saudi Arabia. Both these countries have terrible human rights records as well as terrible records in regards to the environment.

But hey, at least people that supported the veto " can feel good about themselves" that they "helped" the environment.

crockett

Yes here is a environmental impact of US pipelines from the last 15 years which you can study...

List of pipeline accidents in the United States in the 21st century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps you can volunteer your back yard for an oil or gas pipeline..

Also props to Obama for Vetoing that shit just like he said he would.

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NaughtyVisions

Seems like a good rebuttal to your post sits a few spots above yours..

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Woohoo, more awesome train fire destruction in the future!


Fucking Union idiots in his pockets...

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BFT3K

Hey, I'm with you buddy - let's get the fuck off of fossil fuels. I can't imagine any reason we aren't moving 100% in that direction, can you?...

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/in...ent.php?id=E01

Koch Brothers And ALEC Expand Fight On Clean Energy Users | ThinkProgress

takethebluepill

Hope you don't mind getting a little chilly...pretty much everything you wear, from the top of your head to the tips of your toes depends on fossil fuels in one way or another.

dyna mo

a pipeline is less efficient than truck and trains? that's entirely wrong.

I am American and this isn't bowing down to foreign corps, this is doing EXACTLY what the American public wants

you are obviously against Democracy.

bronco67

Damn, that's some money that won't make it into the pockets of quite a few senators.

If John Boner and Mitch McConnell love pipelines so much, they can go have sex with the other 2.5 million miles of oil and natural gas pipelines in our great land. That's right....2.5 million miles. To put that in perspective, the US is 2,800 miles wide.

Why is this one so motherfucking important to them? That's what you need to ask.

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dyna mo

what you need to ask is why it's so important to veto.

L-Pink

If people truly gave a shit about the environment they would insist all imports must meet the exact same environmental laws as American companies do for the same product.

Wouldn't that shake shit up?

But no, as long as it's not in our own backyard who cares ...


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bronco67

So we can agree that someone is most likely getting paid to try to put this thing through. Let's assume that democrats are getting paid to NOT let it happen. Who would do that? The evil solar and alternative energy companies who tower over big oil with all of their riches, and dreams of a cleaner planet? That's so likely.

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dyna mo

Y'all realize we're friends with Canada right? Regardless of how dirty the sand oil production is, friends work with friends. I mean really. this is just another pipe in a MAZE of fucking pipes criss-crossing our nation, it's safer and cleaner, it helps Canadian business.

Oil sells out of those refineries internationally, Canadians will truck that shit across our interstates otherwise. friends help friends.

come on now.

BFT3K

You don't seem to get it. The pipeline DOES make it more efficient (profitable) to run shit over our aquifers. It DOES make the Koch brothers tens of billions in additional profit. It DOES undermine US sovereignty.

You are fighting AGAINST America on this, on every level. This is NOT a PRO-America, PRO-Freedom pipeline, and in the end, should it go through, it will further undermine our supposed DEMOCRACY, as it will give billionaires even MORE money that they can use to purchase what's left of the "government by and for the people".

Seriously, WTF?

dyna mo

what do you mean let's assume BO is getting paid to veto this legislation that the majority of people want?

sounds like a bigger problem that just another pipe in the grid.

dyna mo

oh, i fully get it. that's why you're agitated.

dyna mo

you are so completely anti-republican that you are now undemocratic.

well thought out.

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Yes there have.


The president didn't lie - your republican boys did. Potus did the right thing. Get used to it.






Another pipeline would not do anything to reduce the amount of oil being transported by train or truck.

The amount of oil now shipped by train has skyrocketed. What the oil industry should do is show some responsibility for the horrible disasters they have caused. They should use stronger, safer train containers, reduce speed, and improve safety overall and improve quality of their existing pipes first, at least.

MORE oil coming from XL is completely the wrong answer to give to the irresponsible oil industry.


This kind of pipeline is very different. The path it takes and the content it would have carried are very different.

Correct! It's amazing how many people keep overlooking this fact.

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dyna mo

wow, the amount of totally bad data in this post is truly staggering.

the entire point of the pipe is to replace expensive trucking.

You think Canada will just sit on that oil if the pipe doesn't get layed?

BO said he was waiting for shit to be decided by courts, etc before he signed or not signed-off on the bill.


w.o.w. you are seriously misinformed on all of that.

dyna mo

the bottomline and /thread:

BO vetoed a bill that an overwhelming majority of the American people wanted.


it doesn't matter if it is good or bad for Canada business or fuckall, the American people wanted it and BO used veto power to block that.

thanks Obama.

crockett

I thought I'd leave this here..

TheSquealer

So you are using a sarcastic post which I made, addressed to someone else in another thread to prove a point about a pie chart in a discussion that i have nothing to do with?

Crocket Science for the win!!

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dyna mo

thanks, i was wondering WTF!

takethebluepill

Simplified for those of you who don't understand.

As a person that lives approx 500 km (300 miles) from the source of this oil, and as a fairly heavy investor in our oil industry, as are my family, friends and neighbours, I can assure you that this oil will arrive in the US regardless of whether it uses Keystone or some other method. The stock prices for Trans Canada bear this out. While a nicety, keystone will not be the end all or be all and the confidence of the investors and the corporation show this to be true.

Will Obama stop the oil from entering the US by some other method. Not a chance. That would require a a complete change in the current trade agreements with not just Canada but other countries as well. That's not going to happen.

So what is the consensus here in oil country as too why Obama is putting his veto power to this issue? Those that are against the pipeline are very against it. On the other hand, those who are for it, are overall neither here nor there. It's just not that big of a deal. So, politically, it's a smart move with little downside.

As far as any Koch Bro influence or profit taking, every major investment firm has been able to show that this is pretty much BS. And believe me, there's nobody with more diligence at this sort of thing than investors.

NaughtyVisions

But, you have to take into consideration that the majority of the American people are fucking idiots. You simply can't do what every un- or under-informed American wants. If the majority always had their say, we would have repealed Obamacare for the much more favorable Affordable Care Act.

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dyna mo

where is that in the Voter Bill of Rights? an IQ test to be able to vote?


it's remarkable to hear that it's OK for BO to not only veto a bill that the people want, but to also block congress/government on something it actually worked on and accomplished.

candyflip

Same guys.

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kane

I've always thought this was about nothing but politics. The republicans have done nothing but filibuster and block the things Obama has wanted to do so now he is giving them a taste of their own medicine.

It's the old eye for an eye makes everyone blind situation.

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2MuchMark

hi Dyna,

I'm not misinformed.

Maybe you don't realize this, but I'm Canadian, and I am on your side on this. I think the XL pipeline, which will be pumping the dirtiest Canadian oil possible, over the Ogallala Aquifer (which much of the western US heavily relies on as a source for clean drinking water), and over American PRIVATELY OWNED Property, is a bad idea. It benefits only a few rich people, and no one else. Come on dude... its a bad, bad idea.


No, not bottom line. Just because you have run out of arguments doesn't mean you get to declare "bottom line", and doesn't mean to get to declare the "/ closed". You're smarter than this.

Just because an overwhelming majority of Americans want it, does that mean that safety issues, pollution issues, global warming concerns and opinion of scientists, and the rights of land owners should be cast aside? Who says that you are right and they are wrong?

That's right, it doesn't. One of the largest and most profitable industries that has ever existed, does not need this.

Yes he did - and he's awesome for doing it.

Thanks from me too, Obama! Good job, sir, good job.

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tony286

You mean like most people want min wage increased but congress will do nothing or most people want stricter gun laws but again congress wont do anything?

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mineistaken

Usually things like that works because you earn money as the country providing the logistics.

And also (especially when countries are less friendly than Canada and US) as a political leverage tool, like "you better do this or else we would close the line for "maintenance"" etc

Rochard

You are making it sound like this has never been done before or that this is new. Hundreds of oil pipelines cross the United States. There is already pipelines in place to transport this oil, but this is an additional pipeline that it shorter. That oil needs to get from point A to point B, and that oil will cross the United States.

I'm sorry, but oil pipelines cross our country. It passes over and through our drinking water, public lands, and privately owned lands. There is nothing that can be done to change this.

Obama did the wrong thing here. A large percentage of Americans approved this, and there is no reason not to do it.

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bronco67

I'm inclined to think he should fight this Pipeline...but he should give in on the immigration thing and just let the Republicans win.

Homeland Security needs to be funded, especially with all of the threats out there. A side bonus to letting Republicans have their way with this issue is that they'll ensure no Latinos will vote for whatever clown gets through the Republican primary for 2016. The new and improved Party of Inclusiveness.

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2MuchMark

Hi Rochard,

Tell that to the people in Nebraska. A bunch of property owners refused to let the pipeline on to their land. TransCanada is trying to use eminent domain to get their way. TransCanada takes steps to acquire Nebraska land for Keystone XL

Honest question to republicans : Why on earth would you let a foreign country try such a shitty, sneaky, legal maneuver like this?

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This letter says it best:

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wasn't the veto due to republicans avoiding a state department investigation into the environmental impacts?

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