WTF ?? LAPD officers shoot man

[elmy]

wft??
LAPD officers were involved in a use of force incident, described as an officer involved shooting, involving a man who was reportedly homeless.
Startling video captures LAPD shooting - CNN Video

[k0nr4d]

I'm sure they didn't just pull out the gun and shoot him 5 times in public and in broad daylight for no reason.

He must have went for one of their weapons or been black or something

[Jman]

Saw the video this morning, pretty brutal. They are saying the homeless was very violent and had grabbed one of the officers gun. You can hear several shots fired and guy filming seems to be yelling at a black cop who is possible the one who shot and killed homeless.

Very sad it had to end this way.

You can watch the vid here :

Un sans-abri est tiré à bout portant par des policiers et la scène est filmée par des passants | JDM

[just a punk]

Two words: wild west.




























P.S. Please don't refer to Nemtsov assassination. That was a very outstanding case, which gathered 50,000+ of protesting citizens in the center of the city.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Two words: wild west.


P.S. Please don't refer to Nemtsov assassination. That was a very outstanding case, which gathered 50,000+ of protesting citizens in the center of the city.

It's worth noting that "homeless" is an umbrella label for many street people with various problems. From a government fact sheet:

• 26.2% of all sheltered persons who were homeless had a severe mental illness
• 34.7% of all sheltered adults who were homeless had chronic substance use issues

The odds are pretty good that police confrontations with homeless mean the guy was drunk and/or was severely mental.

(The above were samples from sheltered homeless. I'm sure the figures are higher for those that actually sleep on the streets.)


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[slapass]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Two words: wild west.




























P.S. Please don't refer to Nemtsov assassination. That was a very outstanding case, which gathered 50,000+ of protesting citizens in the center of the city.

Russia's murder rate is over twice as high as the US. Then add in a lack of human rights and these two things can't even be compared.

[dyna mo]

street thug v. cop thug

[Rochard]

This gets get old after a while. "Police shot a man for no reason".

From what little I read this morning, this homeless man was released from a mental hospital six months prior and had a long history of violent confrontations with local police officers. They tried to talk to him, and when he got hostile they used a taser on him. When that failed and the man went for a police officer's weapon, he got shot.

[directfiesta]

At least in Florida, they only beat them up or drag them by their feet ...

Local news are a riot of entertainment

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

This gets get old after a while. "Police shot a man for no reason".

From what little I read this morning, this homeless man was released from a mental hospital six months prior and had a long history of violent confrontations with local police officers. They tried to talk to him, and when he got hostile they used a taser on him. When that failed and the man went for a police officer's weapon, he got shot.

He got shot 5 times [for having a mental issue].

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by slapass

Russia's murder rate is over twice as high as the US. Then add in a lack of human rights and these two things can't even be compared.

It was discussed many times already. Russia has Northern Caucasus where Islamists got killed by dozens every day during counter-terror operations (we are not France or the UK, so nobody here plays good with Muslim terrorists). But if you compare a typical Russian city with a US one, you'll see that crime there is much less. For example, go and compare homicide and rape cases in NYC towards Moscow region (which is much bigger).

As about the lack of human rights, it's when a cop can kill you just like a dog. This is a typical American problem. Compare the number of the US citizens killed by cops in the past year towards any European country. You will be shocked how real human rights are low in your country. I don't mean the right to do a rock concert in church, but a basic ones, like a right to have a life.

Remember: you still have a death penalty which is absolutely unacceptable in the civilized society.

[BlackCrayon]

police need more training in dealing with mentally disturbed people.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It's worth noting that "homeless" is an umbrella label for many street people with various problems. From a government fact sheet:

• 26.2% of all sheltered persons who were homeless had a severe mental illness
• 34.7% of all sheltered adults who were homeless had chronic substance use issues

... I'm sure the figures are higher for those that actually sleep on the streets.)

Yes it is. The figures should be even higher if well counted. However, do you really think they give cops a right to take life?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

He got shot 5 times [for having a mental issue].

He was a burglary suspect who failed to be arrested peacefully, was tasered, still resisted, went for an officers gun, was then shot 5 times by THREE different officers, all very quickly.

So three officers felt threatened enough by his actions to shoot him.


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[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

He was a burglary suspect who failed to be arrested peacefully, was tasered, still resisted, went for an officers gun, was then shot 5 times by THREE different officers, all very quickly.

So three officers felt threatened enough by his actions to shoot him.


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it wasn't just one officer? it was 3 of the 4 who shot him?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

He was a burglary suspect who failed to be arrested peacefully, was tasered, still resisted, went for an officers gun, was then shot 5 times by THREE different officers, all very quickly.

So three officers felt threatened enough by his actions to shoot him.


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yup, that's a serious training/culture problem. LAPD in skid row is VERY confrontational/aggressive.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by elmy

wft??
LAPD officers were involved in a use of force incident, described as an officer involved shooting, involving a man who was reportedly homeless.
Startling video captures LAPD shooting - CNN Video

what are looking see here? cops on a rampage? some loser fucks with cops and gets killed? what is you need from this?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

He got shot 5 times [for having a mental issue].

no.... he got shot 5 times for trying to grab a cops gun..... think m brown

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Yes it is. The figures should be even higher in well counted. However, do you think they give the one a right to take life?

The police didn't have a meeting and decided to go out and shoot someone, they responded to a crime.

He was a burglary suspect who failed to be arrested peacefully, was tasered, still resisted, went for an officers gun, was then shot 5 times by THREE different officers, all very quickly.

So three officers felt threatened enough by his actions to shoot him.

One way to avoid police violence in any country is to not be a criminal and don't resist arrest to the point of being shot.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Yes it is. The figures should be even higher if well counted. However, do you really think they give cops a right to take life?

yes they do... cops must be able to stand their ground and defend themselves

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

what are looking see here? cops on a rampage? some loser fucks with cops and gets killed? what is you need from this?

Please read your post. It looks like you wrote it about gangsters (don't fuck with those gangsta or they will kill you). But we are talking about police - people we pay salaries from our taxes, the people who's main duty is to protect us (we are their bosses because we pay them money for their work). How come if it's normal when a cop kills someone for telling him "fuck off" or something like that? This is not normal.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The police didn't have a meeting and decided to go out and shoot someone, they responded to a crime.

The response must be commensurate. If the guy had AK-47 and tried to shoot them, course they have a right to kill him. But even having a right does not automatically mean they must. Usually n such a situation here they are trying to wound (shoot arms and legs to stop and arrest him).

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

no.... he got shot 5 times for trying to grab a cops gun..... think m brown

no, keep peeling the onion. He got shot 5 times because he came up against LAPD. He had documented mental issues and went from a mental hospital straight to skid row. There's all sorts of issues causing this, simply claiming he was killed because it appeared he was going for a gun misses an opportunity to try and solve the underlying issues.

I know you are in Montana, but certainly you know we have a serious cop problem here with LAPD.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

it wasn't just one officer? it was 3 of the 4 who shot him?

LOL, gotta love GFY where no one reads/watches before posting. Yes, THREE officers felt threatened enough to simultaneously draw their weapons and shoot.


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[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

no, keep peeling the onion. He got shot 5 times because he came up against LAPD. He had documented mental issues and went from a mental hospital straight to skid row. There's all sorts of issues causing this, simply claiming he was killed because it appeared he was going for a gun misses an opportunity to try and solve the underlying issues.

I know you are in Montana, but certainly you know we have a serious cop problem here with LAPD.

So next time instead of calling 911 people should call a social worker?

In LA like most big cities the cops aren't peacekeepers anymore they're crime response teams. I'd say the serious cop problem is a direct result of the assorted assholes they have to deal with on a never ending basis.

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[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

So next time instead of calling 911 people should call a social worker?

In LA like most big cities the cops aren't peacekeepers anymore they're crime response teams. I'd say the serious cop problem is a direct result of the assorted assholes they have to deal with on a never ending basis.

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since the majority of crime is committed by people with mental health and addiction issues, cops should be one part social worker and one park law enforcer.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

since the majority of crime is committed by people with mental health and addiction issues, cops should be one part social worker and one park law enforcer.

Maybe what's needed is a version of Animal Control. Call it Dumb-ass Control where a van shows up, tranquilizer darts, net guns are shot or poles with a cable hoop for the guys head are on the end and the suspect is handled like a dog?

Never ending argument with only one real fact in common in ALL of these incidents. No one went peacefully when the cops do show up.


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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

So next time instead of calling 911 people should call a social worker?

In LA like most big cities the cops aren't peacekeepers anymore they're crime response teams. I'd say the serious cop problem is a direct result of the assorted assholes they have to deal with on a never ending basis.

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Huh? Of course people should not call a social worker instead of 911.


You can say all you want what you think our cop problem is but you are merely guessing.'


also, my studio is adjacent to skid row in DTLA, i travel through skid row often to get to a freeway. It's a jungle. block after block of homeless.



I've witnessed directly how police police the area.

+ it's been proven a gun firing is contagious. If one cop shoots, it triggers others to shoot so it's also a guess that 3 cops felt threatened to shoot.


Not to mention, the current issues and problems plaguiing LAPD are well-documented.

[ZeroHero]

A.c.a.b. !!!

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Maybe what's needed is a version of Animal Control. Call it Dumb-ass Control where a van shows up, tranquilizer darts, net guns are shot or poles with a cable hoop for the guys head are on the end and the suspect is handled like a dog?

Never ending argument with only one real fact in common in ALL of these incidents. No one went peacefully when the cops do show up.


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Obviously you have little sympathy for people who aren't right in the head. Anyone who has had to deal with these kinds of people know the smallest/strangest thing can set them off into freak out mode and cops showing up, well that is a sure set off into freak out mode. these same people are often found not criminally responsible in a court of law so how can they be held responsible for their actions on the street?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

You can say all you want what you think our cop problem is but you are merely guessing.'

As an adult I've lived in Honolulu, Washington DC and Tampa. Each time I've ventured into let's call then questionable areas, my inner radar spikes, my situational awareness meter spikes. That's human nature and I'll bet it's even more so with cops who have to initiate contact usually following a 911 call.

The answer doesn't just fall with finding kinder, gentler, police officers. That approach will never work.

[femdomdestiny]

level of aggression and paranoia is incredible. Just like in movies. I mean..they were putting cuffs to a kid?!

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Obviously you have little sympathy for people who aren't right in the head. Anyone who has had to deal with these kinds of people know the smallest/strangest thing can set them off into freak out mode and cops showing up, well that is a sure set off into freak out mode. these same people are often found not criminally responsible in a court of law so how can they be held responsible for their actions on the street?

I have a lot of sympathy for those leading lives on the street. But what's the answer when military trained armed young men taught to respond with force are called to deal with them?

The only action the cops can take is too arrest them and let the courts work it out. Seriously, that's all the cops can do is arrest someone and let the courts take over. Then when the person resists arrest the above situation takes place.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

street thug v. cop thug

How so?

Originally Posted by dyna mo

He got shot 5 times [for having a mental issue].

I hope you are trolling or else you are at great risk of getting shot. The guy grabbed the cops gun, he got what he had coming to him.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

As an adult I've lived in Honolulu, Washington DC and Tampa. Each time I've ventured into let's call then questionable areas, my inner radar spikes, my situational awareness meter spikes. That's human nature and I'll bet it's even more so with cops who have to initiate contact usually following a 911 call.

The answer doesn't just fall with finding kinder, gentler, police officers. That approach will never work.

I've never stated the answer to the LAPD cop problem is to find kinder, gentler police officers. What I did state is the problem is a training and culture problem within the department. I've come to that view based on what i've gathered over time.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

LOL, gotta love GFY where no one reads/watches before posting. Yes, THREE officers felt threatened enough to simultaneously draw their weapons and shoot.


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gotta love gfy assumptions, i watched the video a few hours ago, seemed like just one shooter from the POV

but hey.

edit: ahh. this video is censored.. how do you know it was more than one officer that opened fire?

[Tom_PM]

Cop said he was a suspect.
Cop said he reached for gun.
That's all they need.
That's what should change.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by baddog

How so?



I hope you are trolling or else you are at great risk of getting shot. The guy grabbed the cops gun, he got what he had coming to him.

I'm not trolling at all. We have a cop problem in Los Angeles. You know that.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

level of aggression and paranoia is incredible. Just like in movies. I mean..they were putting cuffs to a kid?!

Cops are called to a crime scene. When a suspect of any age is arrested handcuffs are mandatory. No and's if's or but's ... if you are placed in a cop car you will be cuffed. All the problems start when someone resists arrest.

I know a very easy way not to get shot (don't resist, go peacefully, don't do something stupid in the first place) but that answer brands me as a Republican, right-wing pro police brutality, asshole.


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[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

Cop said he was a suspect.
Cop said he reached for gun.
That's all they need.
That's what should change.

And yet the video shows he didn't allow himself to be peacefully arrested. Of course not doing something stupid that gets the police called in the first place isn't an option either?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Obviously you have little sympathy for people who aren't right in the head.

Add that and being violent, the problem took care of it's self

You reach for a weapon , you get the bullets

[brassmonkey]

well he's not homeless anymore he went out with a bang

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

well he's not homeless anymore he went out with a bang

you mean he went out with a bang bang bang bang bang

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Add that and being violent, the problem took care of it's self

You reach for a weapon , you get the bullets

its hard to even see what going on in the video. all we really have is what the cops say happened and obviously the guy was resisting to some extent but merely "reaching" for a gun shouldn't be a death sentence. actually taking the gun from a cop, ok i can see that. you're gonna get shot though it doesn't have to be multiple fatal shots...but just reaching for a gun, if its in the holster and buttoned, its not like the guy could just take it and shoot the cops.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I have a lot of sympathy for those leading lives on the street. But what's the answer when military trained armed young men taught to respond with force are called to deal with them?

The only action the cops can take is too arrest them and let the courts work it out. Seriously, that's all the cops can do is arrest someone and let the courts take over. Then when the person resists arrest the above situation takes place.

the thing a lot of people seem to fail to realize is a percentage of these people lack the basic ability to control their actions. you and i have the mental capacity to not resist, not everyone does. perhaps the biggest failure here is that these people aren't getting the help they need before they end up in such situations. get mentally ill people off the streets and into the care they need to be able to function and you'll have a lot less of these instances but no one wants to have to pay for that.

[Wendy-Etology]

saw this on the news yesterday, this is insane

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

The problem here is compounded daily. Any business with this scene on their sidewalk in front of their door will eventually fail. Any housing with this scene out front will lose good tenants, property values will plummet, and become part of the problem.

There has to be a better plan than throwing cops into the middle of this ....... social issue.

edit, you also don't want violent mentally ill males mixed this closely with what are obviously women and children.



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[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the thing a lot of people seem to fail to realize is a percentage of these people lack the basic ability to control their actions. you and i have the mental capacity to not resist, not everyone does.

Excellent point. Mix the above with cops responding to 911 calls and we will have these threads everyday with the same outcome.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

The problem here is compounded daily. Any business with this scene on their sidewalk in front of their door will eventually fail. Any housing with this scene out front will lose good tenants, property values will plummet, and become part of the problem.

There has to be a better plan than throwing cops into the middle of this ....... social issue.

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skid row is by design, the cops aren't thrown into the middle of this, homeless and indigent are herded into this neighborhood intentionally. For instance, there are never any homeless around my building- ever. not sleeping, not begging, nada.


Skid Row, Los Angeles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

skid row is by design, the cops aren't thrown into the middle of this, homeless and indigent are herded into this neighborhood intentionally. For instance, there are never any homeless around my building- ever. not sleeping, not begging, nada.


Skid Row, Los Angeles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wasn't there a superbug going through skidrow that eventually made it to the hospital there?

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you mean he went out with a bang bang bang bang bang

fuck a taser