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Old 04-03-2015, 02:17 PM   #1
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How legal is content like this?



A few people have asked me to shoot content inside shops and pubs. But how legal is it to do with people in the background? Also as its not outside is is a public place or do you need to ask permission from the owner to shoot?
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Old 04-03-2015, 02:20 PM   #2
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is she under age? lol
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Old 04-03-2015, 02:26 PM   #3
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Check the local laws for public nudity. Most likely the model will be arrested for indecent exposure and you for lewd behavior. Several camgirls were recently arrested for doing live shows at college libraries. I remember one model arrested for doing a public shoot a few years ago.
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Divvy, you could get a bottle smashed on your head if you piss off a pub owner. Best to ask permission and let the owner shoot a scene with the model as payment.
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A pub is private property -- it may be open to the public but it is private property.

If you are not compliant with the owner's authorized use to the public you are in trespass.
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A pub is private property -- it may be open to the public but it is private property.

If you are not compliant with the owner's authorized use to the public you are in trespass.
I am not a lawyer, but I'm also pretty sure that if you are shooting in a private establishment (even with the owners approval) you can't put the patrons faces in the video. People have a reasonable right to privacy, in a private establishment. So you would need release forms for everyone in the video, unless there are clear signs on the business doors and viewable by everyone that there will be filming going on
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You would need to get a release for anyone that appears in the video. That might be a problem in a public place.
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A few people have asked me to shoot content inside shops and pubs. But how legal is it to do with people in the background? Also as its not outside is is a public place or do you need to ask permission from the owner to shoot?
Great chick, what's her name?
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I've heard that bars can lose their liquor licenses due to patrons displaying nudity or performing sexual acts. Obviously, this depends on the jurisdiction.
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I am not a lawyer, but I'm also pretty sure that if you are shooting in a private establishment (even with the owners approval) you can't put the patrons faces in the video. People have a reasonable right to privacy, in a private establishment. So you would need release forms for everyone in the video, unless there are clear signs on the business doors and viewable by everyone that there will be filming going on
Trespass is a misdemeanor criminal offence. You could be arrested on the spot ...

That trumps getting sued but the arrest and conviction is proof you had no right of privacy release. So, you most likely would be found guilty and have a civil judgment entered against you also.

In any case you would need signed releases unless the persons were celebrities.
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I've heard that bars can lose their liquor licenses due to patrons displaying nudity or performing sexual acts. Obviously, this depends on the jurisdiction.
So how would you explain toppless and bottomless bars? Depends on the local laws ... State liquor license regulations, etc.

Lewd and lascivious acts are generally prohibited in public places.

Ask a lawyer local to the jurisdiction -- it's a can of worms.
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I don't know but if I found out I'm in the background of some porn video I'd go after whatever studios shot it.
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The bar staff might beat you once they catch you filming.
The dude in the BG cheating on his wife might kill you.

Find a movie set, why be stupid.

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The dude in the BG cheating on his wife might kill you.

Find a movie set, why be stupid.

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I think divvy might lack the fundage for a rental and extras.


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I would guess zero. He's from UK where they don't even have dentists.
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At the very least, you would need to blur out everyone else's face. But the consensus here is that this is a dumb idea. I have to agree.
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I've done many shoots in my career in practical locations like bars, night clubs, strip clubs, restaurants and most recently a liquor store at a client's request. Of course, I did the right thing by asking permission to shoot when it was closed for business or to shoot in a private area and paying the proprietor for the privilege as well as hiring a few extras who signed releases to be in the background to look like it was open for the public. You're nuts if you think you can just waltz in somewhere in public and film a business and random people without their permission.
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Is it illegal to not wear panties? Technically she's not exposed, that's an upskirt between two people. The legalities could be questionable/subject to interpretation imo
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to be honest doing that in public were kids could have seen her was stupid

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As already said; depends about your location where you film it/ show it. For example; I wouldn't show even Disney cartoon in Saudi-Arabia. Active selling/ showing in US is borderline case, due to fucked up legal system. If you want to have some legal insurance that covers USA it fucking costs, if someone is even willing to give that. Not all domestic insurance sellers even want into that game. I don't know about UK, maybe there are more willing sellers.

In generally, if you film in private premises, you will need permission from the owner/ whoever has the right to use that premise. Porn or not porn.

Porn filmed in public place is another thing. Around here you can film in public place in generally. If someone is just on the background I think he has nothing saying in this. Unless you make him part of the scene somehow. Although I don't know the details regarding porn, as there is no such details at least around here, you have to apply other non-specific rules.
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I think so as well
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A few people have asked me to shoot content inside shops and pubs. But how legal is it to do with people in the background? Also as its not outside is is a public place or do you need to ask permission from the owner to shoot?

See a post about revenge operator ( posting clips without consent) getting 18 years " hard time" you may be next....unless you have the right paperwork, like the public nudity sites.
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You could do like that one program and get intentionally arrested then complain all over about it for publicity.
You think Leo did that intentionally? I doubt that. Sound like sour grapes to me ...
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I thought you meant that Kendra Sutherland library exposure incident at MFC ... the resulting publicity
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Nah, I was not aware of the MFC thing and I wouldn't imagine they are hurting for publicity, it's the first thing anyone thinks of when you mention cams.
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probably got interrupted with something.
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What does that "arrested" mean in this case? Can't they just call or send a letter and ask to arrive to police station? Do they really arrest you because of minor law breaking (in US)?

I have been asked to police station twice, both times by letter, and both times I also walked peacefully out. No SWAT team busting in through windows. The other time I was suspected for real felony (not quilty), other one was just about car accident I had been in.
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I am not a lawyer, but I'm also pretty sure that if you are shooting in a private establishment (even with the owners approval) you can't put the patrons faces in the video. People have a reasonable right to privacy, in a private establishment. So you would need release forms for everyone in the video, unless there are clear signs on the business doors and viewable by everyone that there will be filming going on
I cannot say the video but this is close to what we were told by our lawyer
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For everyone posting advice for him - he has not been asked to shoot any content inside pubs and shops. He is a useless fucking idiot and is wasting your time.
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