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dyna mo · 05-14-2015, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

why do you think people continue to do such things that they not only know will kill them but are actually showing signs of progression?

i think it simply boils down to human nature. just like that Dr Edwards i quoted earlier that commented most all diabetic patients do not fully embrace diabetes management until they are diagnosed with a serious medical issue resulting from their diabetes.

and even then it's extremely difficult for a diabetic to maintain ideal management routinely over long periods of time.

like this guy, he is very very irresponsible re: his diabetes management but he is certainly not unique.

Bladewire · 05-14-2015, 10:20 AM

Here's an update from Luis Lang's GoFundMe, which is @ $17k now:

UPDATE 3

"sorry one last thing I have to hand it to the liberal side you sure do know how to get the word out when you dislike something. I say shame on the conservative bloggers for resting on there laurels."

UPDATE 2

"First of all I would like to thank ALL of the wonderful people that have donated to help me in my time of need. And I do mean everybody. When I started this I never meant it to became a political war. I am a honest person and I have to give a big thumbs up to the liberal side. Even though you have crucified me in your comments but you spoke with your heart with the donations. I respect everybody opinion whether I agree with you or not. That is why we live in the U.S.A. home of the free and free speech. As far as the conservative side I wish they would step up to the plate and do there part. Again thank you all and i will be posting updates with my condition."

I guess my conservative side outways my liberal side on this issue.

Barry-xlovecam · 05-14-2015, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It's not a case of "choose not to participate". The feds made it ILLEGAL to not "Participate".

And to be clear..."participate" means being FORCED to buy a product from a company.

If you said the state forces you to buy vehicle insurance to legally operate a motor vehicle -- I would agree with that statement -- the state could take criminal action if you are in an accident -- it's a misdemeanor.

You have some choice in buying healthcare insurance pay the price or pay a fine on your taxes -- you can't be charged with a crime and jailed

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Can I Go to Jail for Not Paying the Fee?
The IRS cannot enforce the Individual Shared Responsibility Provision with jail time, liens, or any other of typical methods of collection. The only way for the IRS to collect the fee for not having health insurance, if you choose not to pay it, is for them to withhold the money you would get back (Federal Income Tax Refund) from the IRS after you file your income tax return.

ObamaCare Mandate: Exemption and Tax Penalty

It's not like Obamacare is holding a gun to anyone's head -- they won't cart you off to jail

As an aside: How many years ago was your insurance $500/3 and is your coverage the same -- out of pocket and deductibles for $1000/3 now? In the past years prior to Obamacare the medical cost inflation was out of sync totally with the overall economy. It less out of sync today but still bad -- the costs of lowered Medicare payments are being pushed on to the insured and the self payers.

Your rates (and mine) are higher because women have a mandated pregnancy/childbirth benefit but men get women pregnant don't they? They should bear some cost in their rates too ...

Barry-xlovecam · 05-14-2015, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Here's an update from Luis Lang's GoFundMe, which is @ $17k now:

UPDATE 3

"sorry one last thing I have to hand it to the liberal side you sure do know how to get the word out when you dislike something. I say shame on the conservative bloggers for resting on there laurels."

UPDATE 2

"First of all I would like to thank ALL of the wonderful people that have donated to help me in my time of need. And I do mean everybody. When I started this I never meant it to became a political war. I am a honest person and I have to give a big thumbs up to the liberal side. Even though you have crucified me in your comments but you spoke with your heart with the donations. I respect everybody opinion whether I agree with you or not. That is why we live in the U.S.A. home of the free and free speech. As far as the conservative side I wish they would step up to the plate and do there part. Again thank you all and i will be posting updates with my condition."

I guess my conservative side outways my liberal side on this issue.

I am sorry that this man would have to rely on such means for assistance with his health issues but why does he say "As far as the conservative side I wish they would step up to the plate and do there[s.i.c.] part. Again thank you all and i will be posting updates with my condition."?

His cost of healthcare is his responsibility for the primary cost of insurance. If as a society we should help our fellow man when he can no longer help himself that is OK and an equitable use of our tax money -- we may be the ones that need the help one day too

But I do have a problem with a man of means relying on the public coffers for his unwise decisions.

That is just hypocrisy and being dependent on the very system that you despise. ( A nice way to say: He's full of shit!)

Bladewire · 05-14-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I am sorry that this man would have to rely on such means for assistance with his health issues but why does he say "As far as the conservative side I wish they would step up to the plate and do there[s.i.c.] part. Again thank you all and i will be posting updates with my condition."?

His cost of healthcare is his responsibility for the primary cost of insurance. If as a society we should help our fellow man when he can no longer help himself that is OK and an equitable use of our tax money -- we may be the ones that need the help one day too

But I do have a problem with a man of means relying on the public coffers for his unwise decisions.

That is just hypocrisy and being dependent on the very system that you despise. ( A nice way to say: He's full of shit!)

"As far as the conservative side I wish they would step up to the plate and do there part."

The irony that he has his hand out begging, then has the nerve to post to the world for people of a certain political persuasion to give him more?

I don't relate to his mentality at all.

To the Republicans here: What is he talking about when he references Republicans doing their part and donating to him?

BlackCrayon · 05-14-2015, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i think it simply boils down to human nature. just like that Dr Edwards i quoted earlier that commented most all diabetic patients do not fully embrace diabetes management until they are diagnosed with a serious medical issue resulting from their diabetes.

and even then it's extremely difficult for a diabetic to maintain ideal management routinely over long periods of time.

like this guy, he is very very irresponsible re: his diabetes management but he is certainly not unique.

yeah, i think people want what makes them feel good in the moment despite the long term consequences. everyone does it to a degree. i just don't know why we can't have more self control to not do things that harm us.

Robbie · 05-14-2015, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

How many years ago was your insurance $500/3 and is your coverage the same -- out of pocket and deductibles for $1000/3 now?

It was a little over $500 for FOUR of us in 2009.

I first got that policy in 2002. At that time it was a little over $400

So in 7 years it had went up a hundred bucks for FOUR people.

In 2011 one of the people is no longer on my insurance. So now it's just 3 of us.

Same exact policy, same deductible. And now (starting in 2015) it is $1020 for THREE of us.
It's jumped every year since ObamaCare started. At first I hoped it was just the insurance companies trying to squeeze out what they could before Obama Care stopped them. But since neither I nor apparently ANYONE has ever read that monstrosity of a law...it turns out I was wrong. I fully expect it to go above $1,100 by 2016 and to just keep on rising.

I went online and looked at the "Exchange" for ObamaCare insurance.
For a policy that was similar to mine but with a $5000 deductible (mine is $3,000) the cost was $970 a month.

So I would have to pay an extra $2000 a year to ever reach the point where the insurance would even kick in if I changed insurance and went to the exchange.

That means that in 2009 when ObamaCare went into effect I was paying just over $6,000 a year for health insurance for four people.

The President promised that my bill would drop $2,500 from that number.

So I expected to be paying $3,500 a year for insurance. (not HEALTHCARE, just insurance)

Instead I am now (as of 2015) paying $12,240 a year...just for insurance. For 3 healthy people.
So yeah, I'm a little disillusioned and feeling like I have been screwed by the govt. holding hands with the insurance, medical, and pharma companies.

And I'm not alone.

I have read a lot of people on here talk about how much better this is for them and the people they know.

Well...we must run in different circles and have different incomes. Neither myself nor any of my associates or friends get any kind of govt. subsidies.
We are the people PAYING for all of the people getting subsidized.

And it doesn't feel good to know that and to know that the insurance companies are making so much money now that we are all forced to play the game.

Barry-xlovecam · 05-14-2015, 04:03 PM

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Health insurance premiums in 2009, the average annual premiums for employer-sponsored health insurance are $4,824 for single coverage and $13,375 for family coverage. Premiums for family coverage are 5% higher than last year ($12,680),
Employer Health Benefits Annual Survey Archives | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
2009 pdf

The average premiums for covered workers in 2014 are $6,025 annually, or $502 per month, for single coverage and $16,834 annually, or $1,403 per month, for family coverage. The 2014 average single premium is similar to the 2013 average premium (the 2 percent increase is not significant). However, the 2014 average family premium is 3 percent higher than the 2013 average premium (Exhibit 1.11).

EHBS 2014 – Section One: Cost of Health Insurance – 8625 | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

My medical insurance with $3,900 in total deductibles is $526.00/ mo for 1 person -- me at age 59 -- that is the ''circle'' I am in ... In 2014 I paid $626 a month with a lower deductible ($1,850) policy. A little above the national average.

These are national statistics there may be some variation state by state. I live in a middle to high cost state. As I recall, Nevada is one of the higher cost states. Obamacare was enacted March 2010 and States received grants for interim Obamacare funded policies the following year.

For some reason you were paying one half the national average in 2009.
And in 2014 you paid at about half the national average.
Why is that?
You may have jumped an age bracket (45?) and there was 25% -30% inflation in insurance cost rates during the same period as outlined above. 2009 to today 5+ years.

I had to get a new gold crown for a tooth 2 years ago it was $700 I started a gold crown this week for another tooth it will cost $900. That is almost 30% inflation in two years!

Incorporate (if you are not) and start a HRA benefits program -- the healthcare expenses it pays (reimburses) are 100% deductible or even on a Schedule C they are a direct 100% deduction now. Since you are in a top tax bracket that alone is a 39% tax subsidy.

Most of the costs for all healthcare insurance is either tax sheltered expense or a taxable pass through;

"IRS:
Health Plans
If an employer pays the cost of an accident or health insurance plan for his/her employees, including an employee’s spouse and dependents, the employer’s payments are not wages and are not subject to Social Security, Medicare, and FUTA taxes, or federal income tax withholding."
For a C corporation they are 100% expensed out.
For a Subchapter S they are a pass through to the Officer
"again IRS:
However, the cost of health insurance benefits must be included in the wages of S corporation employees who own more than two percent of the S corporation (two percent shareholders)."
Employee Benefits

There is your subsidy :P

Robbie · 05-14-2015, 04:38 PM

My Blue Cross/ Blue Shield policy was originally bought (and still paid to) Blue Cross/Blue Shield in South Carolina. So I don't think that Nevada rates would have any effect on me even though I now live in Las Vegas.

I've been a corporation since 1996. But since the corporation consists of me and Claudia Marie, I have never been advised by any accountant that we should do anything other than buy our insurance as a family.

Socks · 05-14-2015, 05:24 PM

So lemme get this straight here.

1. His wife could get a job to help pay for his medical problems, but won't.
2. They have a large $300,000 home they could sell, but won't.
3. They saved money every month by not ever buying insurance, but didn't actually save any of it.
4. They missed deadlines.
5. They voted for and elected politicians to vote on their behalf, who voted for things that screwed them over.
6. They ignored all warning signs due to his diabetes.
7. They expect a single doctor to bail them out, so that he can pay instead of them.

I'm sure I'm missing a few things here...

crockett · 05-14-2015, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's just like you've told him a gazillion times you're not a republitard yet he can't seem to stop casting you as one.

he knows i'm not on the cops side when it comes to the cop problem in America.

So you think it's wrong I call him a republican, but you have no qualms nor does he at calling me a liberal.. I say hey pot say hello to kettle.

dyna mo · 05-14-2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

So you think it's wrong I call him a republican, but you have no qualms nor does he at calling me a liberal.. I say hey pot say hello to kettle.

ok, let's get it sorted then. what names would you prefer i call you?

crockett · 05-14-2015, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

ok, let's get it sorted then. what names would you prefer i call you?

Daddy?

dyna mo · 05-14-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Daddy?

jeez, you and ********** with the not so subtle gay inferences. he does that all the time too.

just like i've told you both many times that i am not a republitard, i'm not gay either.

Robbie · 05-14-2015, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm not gay either.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Remember that one time in bandcamp...

_Richard_ · 05-15-2015, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Here's an update from Luis Lang's GoFundMe, which is @ $17k now:

UPDATE 3

"sorry one last thing I have to hand it to the liberal side you sure do know how to get the word out when you dislike something. I say shame on the conservative bloggers for resting on there laurels."

UPDATE 2

"First of all I would like to thank ALL of the wonderful people that have donated to help me in my time of need. And I do mean everybody. When I started this I never meant it to became a political war. I am a honest person and I have to give a big thumbs up to the liberal side. Even though you have crucified me in your comments but you spoke with your heart with the donations. I respect everybody opinion whether I agree with you or not. That is why we live in the U.S.A. home of the free and free speech. As far as the conservative side I wish they would step up to the plate and do there part. Again thank you all and i will be posting updates with my condition."

I guess my conservative side outways my liberal side on this issue.

do 'there' part? strange the sense of entitlement from someone who claims to be conservative

Bladewire · 05-15-2015, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

do 'there' part? strange the sense of entitlement from someone who claims to be conservative

I agree. Liberal plant?

Barry-xlovecam · 05-15-2015, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

I agree. Liberal plant?

I said the ''entitlement'' thing earlier

https://gfy.com/20474210-post204.html

A lot of the loudest protesters of the Obamacare law, who refuse to buy healthcare insurance, rely on the perceived safety net of -- not being refused medical treatment (Federal regulation mandated to healthcare facilities receiving Medicare payments).

What they don't realize is that the medical facilities (hospitals) are only required to offer life saving treatment until the patient is ambulatory (able to walk out of the building). Blind men can walk out with a white cane! Going blind is not life threatening trauma. It is lifestyle threatening trauma -- granted a terrible thing to happen to anyone.

Get admitted to a hospital with no insurance in a trauma situation = minimal treatment (catch and release -- or take out a 2nd mortgage).
Get admitted to a hospital with Medicaid = get minimal cost mandated treatment.
Get admitted to a hospital with Medicare = get reasonable allowed treatment.
Get admitted to a hospital with private 3rd party payer insurance = I got a private room, in a private hospital, and top class surgeons 3 times and was an outpatient a couple of times in the past 4 years.

HowlingWulf · 05-15-2015, 08:26 AM

Holy crap this guy has raised almost $20k so far....
Looked at some other fund raisers - funeral expenses seems to be popular.
How many people take advantage of gofundme?

Bladewire · 05-15-2015, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

Holy crap this guy has raised almost $20k so far....
Looked at some other fund raisers - funeral expenses seems to be popular.
How many people take advantage of gofundme?

It's the new thing for scammers. Obviously not all people on go fund me are scanners. But you can take your money out at any time and your goal stays the same and your public gofundme balance doesn't change. So literally you can get money everyday into your account as long as your gofundme is making money.

Ironically, if I remember correctly, there terms state that GoFundMe is only for people you know like friends, family and relatives. Not asking strangers for money.

Bladewire · 05-15-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

It's the new thing for scammers. Obviously not all people on go fund me are scanners. But you can take your money out at any time and your goal stays the same and your public gofundme balance doesn't change. So literally you can get money everyday into your account as long as your gofundme is making money.

Ironically, if I remember correctly, there terms state that GoFundMe is only for people you know like friends, family and relatives. Not asking strangers for money.

Jesus I need to not post using voice to text

Bladewire · 05-19-2015, 12:02 PM

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I went to the doctor today and will be posting his notes on here tomorrow. Some things that were said in the media were not true. I will fill in the details tomorrow after I find out all of the facts then I will post it. In the mean while I would again like to thank all of the wonderful and big hearted liberals that have donated to me in my time of need. It does not matter the size of the donations because I know that it comes from the heart and some of the comments that have been made I deserve. But not all of them.

Barry-xlovecam · 05-19-2015, 01:30 PM

So, some beat him with the idiot stick then donated a few hundred dollars -- I guess there is some moral here ...

Bladewire · 05-20-2015, 11:02 AM

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I would like for all of my wonderful supporters to go to this link Lifelong Republican Turns On His Party, Embraces Obamacare | ThinkProgress this has been the first reporter that has told my side correctly. Now to put things straight I never said that I did not like or blamed president Obama for what has happened. In fact both me and my wife have very close friends that are gay. And they are upset by some of the comments by people who have never met us and passing judgment on us. Also like I said in the interview I would like to rip up my voters registration on tv. I have reach out to msnbc and abc in new york and waiting for them to call me back. In the mean while if you would call them and demand that they put it on national tv it might help. Either way as soon as I know when it will happen I will post it here to let you know. Please go to the link so what I am saying will make sense to all.

Barry-xlovecam · 05-20-2015, 11:54 AM

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Like many Americans, Lang struggled to navigate the website last year and was frustrated by long wait times and technological glitches. He told ThinkProgress he thinks the law is too confusing as it?s currently written ? and pointed out that it?s too difficult for him to predict his annual income as a self-employed contractor, which is what prevented him from signing up for a plan during previous enrollment periods. He was too nervous about underestimating his income during the enrollment process and being required to pay back his insurance subsidy during tax season.

He might be talking $3K, hardly the ''end of the world." He could put that money aside if his income grew -- so long as his estimated income was stated in good faith (based on his prior year AGI earnings) he would be liable for no penalty. So, it's just excuses.

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In an interview with ThinkProgress, Lang joked that he might be the most hated Republican in the country right now. But he also said that, thanks in part to a flood of media attention that led him to learn more about health care policy, he doesn?t identify with the GOP anymore.
?Now that I?m looking at what each party represents, my wife and I are both saying ? hey, we?re not Republicans!? Lang said.

They are people, working citizens (he is/was anyway.) I don't think healthcare costs are a political party issue -- they are a human issue -- everyone's (most normal people) life is of value to them -- billionaire or pauper at the bitter end.

Anyway, when you are the crash test dummy you change your tune ... and I guess if there is a moral in this -- that's it ...

crockett · 05-20-2015, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

He might be talking $3K, hardly the ''end of the world." He could put that money aside if his income grew -- so long as his estimated income was stated in good faith (based on his prior year AGI earnings) he would be liable for no penalty. So, it's just excuses.

They are people, working citizens (he is/was anyway.) I don't think healthcare costs are a political party issue -- they are a human issue -- everyone's (most normal people) life is of value to them -- billionaire or pauper at the bitter end.

Anyway, when you are the crash test dummy you change your tune ... and I guess if there is a moral in this -- that's it ...

Amazing when people are forced to face the facts and when they have to take the time to understand something, how quickly they tend to change their minds. Specially when it's a political topic..

This guy fell for the right wing's bullshit in regards to Obamacare, but then when he suddenly found himself in need of the very insurance he rallied against.. Suddenly it becomes a logical solution due to him wanting to continue on with his eyesight..

He's lucky it was something so dramatic which forced him to the table, rather than something he could have ignored for 4 or 5 years while it did it's damage..

Rochard · 05-20-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks

So lemme get this straight here.

1. His wife could get a job to help pay for his medical problems, but won't.
2. They have a large $300,000 home they could sell, but won't.
3. They saved money every month by not ever buying insurance, but didn't actually save any of it.
4. They missed deadlines.
5. They voted for and elected politicians to vote on their behalf, who voted for things that screwed them over.
6. They ignored all warning signs due to his diabetes.
7. They expect a single doctor to bail them out, so that he can pay instead of them.

I'm sure I'm missing a few things here...

That pretty much sums it up....

Captain Kawaii · 05-20-2015, 03:09 PM

It's called Karma, Luis. Sucks to be you but

I know people who have history with this guy and BOA. The story forgot to mention he's handy at helping himself to people's personal property.

Never let anyone tell you karma is not real. Luis is living proof.

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A 49-year-old South Carolina conservative who refused to sign up for Obamacare is now going broke and blind, and of course, he blames Obama.

Luis Lang learned in late February that he had suffered a series of mini-strokes that left him with bleeding in his eyes and a partially detached retina caused by diabetes, reported the Charlotte Observer.

The 49-year-old Lang, a self-employed handyman and Republican who works with banks and the federal government to maintain foreclosed properties, has never purchased insurance and always prided himself on paying his own medical bills.

That never posed much of a problem when Lang and his wife – who does not work – were healthy, but he has already exhausted his savings paying for medical bills related to his eyes.

His vision has worsened so much that hasn’t worked since December, which could put the couple’s $300,000 Fort Hill home in jeopardy along with his health.

“He will lose his eyesight if he doesn’t get care — he will go blind,” said Dr. Malcolm Edwards, an ophthalmologist who has given Lang injections at a discounted rate to control the bleeding.

Lang, a smoker who admits he has been inconsistent in controlling his diabetes, said he has sought help from charities but found he was either too young or too old for most agencies.

So he turned to the Affordable Health Care exchange – which he had previously chosen not to do in violation of the law, believing help would be available in an emergency.

“(My husband) should be at the front of the line because he doesn’t work and because he has medical issues,” said his wife, Mary Lang. “We call it the Not Fair Health Care Act.”

Lang found he was a month too late to enroll for 2015, and he now earns too little to get a federal subsidy to buy a private policy.

Lang and his wife blame President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats for passing a flawed law – although not even private insurers allow people to forgo payments when they’re healthy and cash in benefits after they’re sick.

Obamacare was designed to cover those whose income falls below the poverty line through Medicaid, but South Carolina is among 21 Republican-led states that declined the federal government’s offer to pay 100 percent of the costs to expand coverage to low-income, able-bodied adults.

Lang has reached out to reporters to help publicize his case, and he has set up an online fundraiser – but he doesn’t have enough money to pay for surgery to save his eyesight.

The doctor said he has offered to provide care at no cost, but he said Lang needs costly treatment beyond his expertise.

“He’s in a very bad situation,” Edwards said, with Lang’s consent. “The longer he waits, the poorer his results will be.”

Conservative spurns Obamacare and insurance — but blames Obama now that he’s going broke and blind

Captain Kawaii · 05-20-2015, 03:14 PM

I am sure that jagoff will be celebrating with BBQ and a gallon of carolina sweet tea.

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I went to the doctor today and will be posting his notes on here tomorrow. Some things that were said in the media were not true. I will fill in the details tomorrow after I find out all of the facts then I will post it. In the mean while I would again like to thank all of the wonderful and big hearted liberals that have donated to me in my time of need. It does not matter the size of the donations because I know that it comes from the heart and some of the comments that have been made I deserve. But not all of them.

Robbie · 05-20-2015, 04:14 PM

It's just a shame that the Federal govt. first made going to the doctor and getting medication so expensive that people can't afford to pay out of pocket anymore. They did that over the last 35 years or so starting with "HMO's" which was when I started watching the costs at hospitals and doctors go up.

Then they made sure that Big Pharma can charge us more than any other country on Earth for the same exact medicines. They even started busting people driving across the border to Canada to fill their prescriptions.

And of course...allowing Hospitals to bill you pretty much whatever they choose.
You have to ask for a detailed bill from a hospital.
$50 for a paper dixie cup of water to take your $10 tylenol pill.

No other industries in the United States are allowed to do these kinds of things EXCEPT medical.
Some of this price gouging would be get other industries thrown in prison and out of business.

Which is why this guy has no CHOICE but to play this stupid game of health insurance for EVERYTHING. Every prescription, every doctor visit, etc.

And do you think the insurance companies actually pay out the over-inflated prices to drug stores and hospitals? No, they do not.

This guy foolishly thinking he could pay his own way isn't the problem.
The rip-off health care system is what's fucked up.

_Richard_ · 05-21-2015, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

So, some beat him with the idiot stick then donated a few hundred dollars -- I guess there is some moral here ...

tony286 · 05-21-2015, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

It's just a shame that the Federal govt. first made going to the doctor and getting medication so expensive that people can't afford to pay out of pocket anymore. They did that over the last 35 years or so starting with "HMO's" which was when I started watching the costs at hospitals and doctors go up.

Then they made sure that Big Pharma can charge us more than any other country on Earth for the same exact medicines. They even started busting people driving across the border to Canada to fill their prescriptions.

And of course...allowing Hospitals to bill you pretty much whatever they choose.
You have to ask for a detailed bill from a hospital.
$50 for a paper dixie cup of water to take your $10 tylenol pill.

No other industries in the United States are allowed to do these kinds of things EXCEPT medical.
Some of this price gouging would be get other industries thrown in prison and out of business.

Which is why this guy has no CHOICE but to play this stupid game of health insurance for EVERYTHING. Every prescription, every doctor visit, etc.

And do you think the insurance companies actually pay out the over-inflated prices to drug stores and hospitals? No, they do not.

This guy foolishly thinking he could pay his own way isn't the problem.
The rip-off health care system is what's fucked up.

it wasn't cheap before. Getting old was a license to just die.It hasn't been cheap since I was a kid.Thats when the Doctor lived in the nicer house on the street and his wife was the nurse. From him, you got very very basic healthcare. I remember 30 yrs ago, my brother was 10 and had to be taken to the emergency room,if my dad didn't have insurance it would of been 5k and that was 30 yrs ago. Most of the advancement we have in medicine was because the gov dumped mountains of money in to healthcare with medicare.

Barry-xlovecam · 05-21-2015, 05:55 AM

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[M]ost of the advancement we have in medicine was because the gov dumped mountains of money in to healthcare with medicare.

That is true, Medicare radically increased the patient pool and with it -- the learning opportunities.

What really made a big part of the difference in cost was the advent of the third party payer. Unions negotiated healthcare benefits paid by union contract employers (employer self insurance) for union workers. Non-Union employers need to compete with these benefits to be able to offer competitive benefits to their workers. The Non-Union employers could not risk employer self insurance for their workers and transferred the risk to the private insurers for a premium payment -- and a monster was born.

The patient does not negotiate the bill because he does not pay it -- the third party insurer does. The Healthcare ''industrial complex'' took advantage of this ... and here we are ...

05-14-2015, 04:38 PM	#209
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,845	My Blue Cross/ Blue Shield policy was originally bought (and still paid to) Blue Cross/Blue Shield in South Carolina. So I don't think that Nevada rates would have any effect on me even though I now live in Las Vegas. I've been a corporation since 1996. But since the corporation consists of me and Claudia Marie, I have never been advised by any accountant that we should do anything other than buy our insurance as a family. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

05-15-2015, 08:26 AM	#219
HowlingWulf Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,662	Holy crap this guy has raised almost $20k so far.... Looked at some other fund raisers - funeral expenses seems to be popular. How many people take advantage of gofundme? __________________ WP Porn directory/review theme Maddos $35. webmaster AT howling-wulf.com

05-20-2015, 11:02 AM	#224
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,232	GoFundMe Need help to save my eye sight1.2k $24,495 RAISED BY 1,267 PEOPLE IN 1 MONTH Goal of $30k DonateShare Donate Now Share on Facebook TWEET EMAIL FORT MILL, SC MEDICAL Created on April 18, 2015 Luis Lang 3768 Facebook Friends UPDATE #5 17 HOURS AGO 2929 people like this update I would like for all of my wonderful supporters to go to this link Lifelong Republican Turns On His Party, Embraces Obamacare \| ThinkProgress this has been the first reporter that has told my side correctly. Now to put things straight I never said that I did not like or blamed president Obama for what has happened. In fact both me and my wife have very close friends that are gay. And they are upset by some of the comments by people who have never met us and passing judgment on us. Also like I said in the interview I would like to rip up my voters registration on tv. I have reach out to msnbc and abc in new york and waiting for them to call me back. In the mean while if you would call them and demand that they put it on national tv it might help. Either way as soon as I know when it will happen I will post it here to let you know. Please go to the link so what I am saying will make sense to all. __________________ Skype: CallTomNow

05-20-2015, 04:14 PM	#230
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,845	It's just a shame that the Federal govt. first made going to the doctor and getting medication so expensive that people can't afford to pay out of pocket anymore. They did that over the last 35 years or so starting with "HMO's" which was when I started watching the costs at hospitals and doctors go up. Then they made sure that Big Pharma can charge us more than any other country on Earth for the same exact medicines. They even started busting people driving across the border to Canada to fill their prescriptions. And of course...allowing Hospitals to bill you pretty much whatever they choose. You have to ask for a detailed bill from a hospital. $50 for a paper dixie cup of water to take your $10 tylenol pill. No other industries in the United States are allowed to do these kinds of things EXCEPT medical. Some of this price gouging would be get other industries thrown in prison and out of business. Which is why this guy has no CHOICE but to play this stupid game of health insurance for EVERYTHING. Every prescription, every doctor visit, etc. And do you think the insurance companies actually pay out the over-inflated prices to drug stores and hospitals? No, they do not. This guy foolishly thinking he could pay his own way isn't the problem. The rip-off health care system is what's fucked up. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

05-14-2015, 10:20 AM	#202
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,232	Here's an update from Luis Lang's GoFundMe, which is @ $17k now: UPDATE 3 "sorry one last thing I have to hand it to the liberal side you sure do know how to get the word out when you dislike something. I say shame on the conservative bloggers for resting on there laurels." UPDATE 2 "First of all I would like to thank ALL of the wonderful people that have donated to help me in my time of need. And I do mean everybody. When I started this I never meant it to became a political war. I am a honest person and I have to give a big thumbs up to the liberal side. Even though you have crucified me in your comments but you spoke with your heart with the donations. I respect everybody opinion whether I agree with you or not. That is why we live in the U.S.A. home of the free and free speech. As far as the conservative side I wish they would step up to the plate and do there part. Again thank you all and i will be posting updates with my condition." I guess my conservative side outways my liberal side on this issue.

05-14-2015, 05:24 PM	#210
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,478	So lemme get this straight here. 1. His wife could get a job to help pay for his medical problems, but won't. 2. They have a large $300,000 home they could sell, but won't. 3. They saved money every month by not ever buying insurance, but didn't actually save any of it. 4. They missed deadlines. 5. They voted for and elected politicians to vote on their behalf, who voted for things that screwed them over. 6. They ignored all warning signs due to his diabetes. 7. They expect a single doctor to bail them out, so that he can pay instead of them. I'm sure I'm missing a few things here...

05-19-2015, 12:02 PM	#222
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,232	GoFundMe Need help to save my eye sight1.1k $21,905 RAISED BY 1,160 PEOPLE IN 1 MONTH $30k DonateShare Donate Now Share on Facebook TWEET EMAIL FORT MILL, SC MEDICAL Created on April 18, 2015 Luis Lang 3768 Facebook Friends UPDATE #4 18 HOURS AGO 2323 people like this update I went to the doctor today and will be posting his notes on here tomorrow. Some things that were said in the media were not true. I will fill in the details tomorrow after I find out all of the facts then I will post it. In the mean while I would again like to thank all of the wonderful and big hearted liberals that have donated to me in my time of need. It does not matter the size of the donations because I know that it comes from the heart and some of the comments that have been made I deserve. But not all of them.

05-19-2015, 01:30 PM	#223
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	So, some beat him with the idiot stick then donated a few hundred dollars -- I guess there is some moral here ...